Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
On Thursday 17 Jul 2003 3:25 am, The Other wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Rezound === I to, am impressed with it. It looks the think I'm looking for . Sorry to say I don't think it handles these funny yamaha sound files, which are all .mid files. At any rate I cannot seem toget any sense out of the sound generated, maybe wrong though, as it's early days and I'm unsure of the controls. John Hello John, It's been years since I looked at a Yamaha MIDI file, but if memory serves, Yamaha was not using standard MIDI instruments. By that I mean Instrument #1 in a standard MIDI file should be an Acoustic Piano, or Piano 1. Yamaha MIDI files may have Instrument #1 set to Trumpet, or something different that Acoustic Piano. To get the Yamaha MIDI files sounding correctly, all you may need to do is remap the Yamaha Instrument patches to Standard Midi Instruments patches in the Rezound editor. For example. Suppose Yamaha is using Track 1 as a Trumpet. In Rezound, you would set Track 1 to the Standard Midi instrument patch for Trumpet, which is #57 on an Instrument set that is numbered 1 to 128. The Trumpet would be patch #56 on a Instrument set that is numbered 0 to 127. (Be aware of these two numbering schemes for Standard MIDI files. If the patch you've specified still sounds like the wrong instrument, then increase or decrease the patch number you're using by 1 to get to the correct patch.) Now when Rezound plays Track 1, you should hear a Trumpet playing. I've not used Rezound, but this is a generic concept when working with MIDI files. This is also how you can reorchestrate a MIDI piece. If you don't like an Acoustic Piano playing on a Track, change the Instrument Patch to something else; such as a Harpsichord or Organ. Or use a different SoundFont to replace a poor sounding Acoustic Piano with a better sounding Grand Piano. When you're working with MIDI, you have great control over the final sound of the piece. Regards, The Other IIRC, the article I posted a link to on the Mandrake site has a link to a Yamaha soundfont. (and instructions for installing it.) -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:26 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: least Yamaha seem to be using this specific file connotation, whether .mid are MIDI files and they're quite standardised - if the keyboard is General MIDI then the files should be easy to play and edit. and the sound quality is good. So it's not a cheapskate size reduction MIDI files only record the notes. The final playback quality is NOT guaranteed. It depends on your waveset, you might notice they sound different on computer and keyboard. I'm still looking for something that will both display and allow me to edit, and in the end convert to an ordinary .wav file format to write to CD, and in linux if at all possible. To play, use timidity or various frontends like kmidi or kmid. To edit in Linux, use sequencers such as MuSE. Timidity can save MIDIs to wave files. In Windows, programs like Cake Walk can edit. Regards, _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:56:30 +1000 _nasturtium [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:26 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: least Yamaha seem to be using this specific file connotation, whether .mid are MIDI files and they're quite standardised - if the keyboard is General MIDI then the files should be easy to play and edit. and the sound quality is good. So it's not a cheapskate size reduction MIDI files only record the notes. Bit of an oversimplification, this may be useful. http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/tutr/miditutr.htm this one seems a good description http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/tutr/midiform.htm The final playback quality is NOT guaranteed. It depends on your waveset, you might notice they sound different on computer and keyboard. I'm still looking for something that will both display and allow me to edit, and in the end convert to an ordinary .wav file format to write to CD, and in linux if at all possible. To play, use timidity or various frontends like kmidi or kmid. To edit in Linux, use sequencers such as MuSE. Timidity can save MIDIs to wave files. In Windows, programs like Cake Walk can edit. Regards, _nasturtium -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
The Other wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Rezound === I to, am impressed with it. It looks the think I'm looking for . Sorry to say I don't think it handles these funny yamaha sound files, which are all .mid files. At any rate I cannot seem toget any sense out of the sound generated, maybe wrong though, as it's early days and I'm unsure of the controls. John Hello John, It's been years since I looked at a Yamaha MIDI file, but if memory serves, Yamaha was not using standard MIDI instruments. By that I mean Instrument #1 in a standard MIDI file should be an Acoustic Piano, or Piano 1. Yamaha MIDI files may have Instrument #1 set to Trumpet, or something different that Acoustic Piano. To get the Yamaha MIDI files sounding correctly, all you may need to do is remap the Yamaha Instrument patches to Standard Midi Instruments patches in the Rezound editor. For example. Suppose Yamaha is using Track 1 as a Trumpet. In Rezound, you would set Track 1 to the Standard Midi instrument patch for Trumpet, which is #57 on an Instrument set that is numbered 1 to 128. The Trumpet would be patch #56 on a Instrument set that is numbered 0 to 127. (Be aware of these two numbering schemes for Standard MIDI files. If the patch you've specified still sounds like the wrong instrument, then increase or decrease the patch number you're using by 1 to get to the correct patch.) Now when Rezound plays Track 1, you should hear a Trumpet playing. I've not used Rezound, but this is a generic concept when working with MIDI files. This is also how you can reorchestrate a MIDI piece. If you don't like an Acoustic Piano playing on a Track, change the Instrument Patch to something else; such as a Harpsichord or Organ. Or use a different SoundFont to replace a poor sounding Acoustic Piano with a better sounding Grand Piano. When you're working with MIDI, you have great control over the final sound of the piece. Regards, The Other Hmmm, well, let me see, In rezound, if I, file - open pathtosong_001.mid I get message, no handler found to support format for song_001.mid would you like to use raw format yes, why not ? dialogue box: Raw Parameters, sample rate 44100 ( scale 4,000 to 96,000) sample format 16bit (scale 8bit signed to 64 floating point ?) byte order 0 in bytes data length 0 in audio frames so I go, OK I then attempt to play and get a harsh mushy sound for a few seconds so following your advice I think maybe, edit , but in there we have may parameters from undo redo, copy crop, inserte paste, overwrite paste, insert silence, mute, add channnels, swap channels, rotate, and selection , but none seem to suggest altering the patch selection , that I can see. Though I'm a total newbie here. I would of though the first message about, no handler found to support format for song_001.mid, means just that , doesn't know and understand .mid files , but as I say I'm complete newbie here. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
On Thursday 17 Jul 2003 2:34 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Hmmm, well, let me see, In rezound, if I, file - open pathtosong_001.mid I get message, no handler found to support format for song_001.mid would you like to use raw format yes, why not ? dialogue box: Raw Parameters, sample rate 44100 ( scale 4,000 to 96,000) sample format 16bit (scale 8bit signed to 64 floating point ?) byte order 0 in bytes data length 0 in audio frames so I go, OK I then attempt to play and get a harsh mushy sound for a few seconds so following your advice I think maybe, edit , but in there we have may parameters from undo redo, copy crop, inserte paste, overwrite paste, insert silence, mute, add channnels, swap channels, rotate, and selection , but none seem to suggest altering the patch selection , that I can see. Though I'm a total newbie here. I would of though the first message about, no handler found to support format for song_001.mid, means just that , doesn't know and understand .mid files , but as I say I'm complete newbie here. I would agree. rezound is a waveform editor. .mid files do not contain waveforms, or anything approaching waveforms. Install rosegarden off your MDK disks. You should get the right notes, but maybe in the wrong voices. If so, load a yamaha soundfont. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
Richard Urwin wrote: On Thursday 17 Jul 2003 2:34 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: . I would of though the first message about, no handler found to support format for song_001.mid, means just that , doesn't know and understand .mid files , but as I say I'm complete newbie here. I would agree. rezound is a waveform editor. .mid files do not contain waveforms, or anything approaching waveforms. Install rosegarden off your MDK disks. You should get the right notes, but maybe in the wrong voices. If so, load a yamaha soundfont. Slight problems there , with the rosegarden install, I downloaded all the suggested files on that web site and ended up with, [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cd /root/Desktop/160703/rosegarden [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosegarden]# ls jackit-0.72.5-030617.1mdk.i586.rpm jackit-example-clients-0.72.5-030617.1mdk.i586.rpm jackit-realtime-0.72.5-030617.1mdk.i586.rpm libfftw2-2.1.3-11mdk.i586.rpm libfftw2-devel-2.1.3-11mdk.i586.rpm libjack0-0.72.5-030617.1mdk.i586.rpm libjack0-devel-0.72.5-030617.1mdk.i586.rpm librosegarden0-4-alsa-0.9.1-2mdk.i586.rpm librosegarden0-4-alsa-0.9.2.030624-1mdk.i586.rpm librosegarden0-4-alsa-devel-0.9.1-2mdk.i586.rpm librosegarden0-4-alsa-devel-0.9.2.030624-1mdk.i586.rpm librosegarden0-4-arts-0.9.1-2mdk.i586.rpm librosegarden0-4-arts-devel-0.9.1-2mdk.i586.rpm python-CDDB-1.3-4mdk.i586.rpm python-ID3-1.2-2mdk.noarch.rpm pyvorbis-1.1-2mdk.i586.rpm rosegarden-4-0.9.1-2mdk.src.rpm rosegarden-4-alsa-0.9.1-2mdk.i586.rpm rosegarden-4-alsa-0.9.2.030624-1mdk.i586.rpm rosegarden-4-arts-0.9.1-2mdk.i586.rpm src/ ( contains the src source code rpm's) and proceeded to install, [EMAIL PROTECTED] rosegarden]# urpmi rosegarden* The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded: automake-1.4-21.p6.mdk (due to conflicts with automake[ 1.7.2]) kdevelop-2.1.5-3mdk (due to missing libkdevelopvc.so.2) do you agree ? (Y/n) y To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed (28 MB): arts-1.1.2-3tex.i586 autoconf2.5-2.57-3mdk.noarch automake1.6-1.7.2-3mdk.noarch ladspa-1.12-3mdk.i586 ladspa-devel-1.12-3mdk.i586 libarts-1.1.2-3tex.i586 libarts-devel-1.1.2-3tex.i586 libfam0-devel-2.6.9-5mdk.i586 libfftw2-2.1.5-1mdk.i586 libfftw2-devel-2.1.5-1mdk.i586 libnas2-devel-1.6-3mdk.i586 libogg0-devel-1.0-3mdk.i586 libvorbis0-1.0-7tex.i586 libvorbis0-devel-1.0-7tex.i586 libvorbisenc2-1.0-7tex.i586 libvorbisfile3-1.0-7tex.i586 mdkkdm-9.1-26.1tex.i586 rosegarden-4-alsa-0.9.1-2mdk.i586 rosegarden-4-arts-0.9.1-2mdk.i586 Is this OK? (Y/n) y eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument Please insert the medium named International CD (x86) (cdrom3) on device [/dev/scd0] Press Enter when ready... eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument Please insert the medium named International CD (x86) (cdrom3) on device [/dev/scd0] Press Enter when ready... I don't know why it wants M9.1 CD3 else I thought it had all it needed in the download. but I gave it the CD3 and the above is the result. Obviously doing something wrong ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
Richard Urwin wrote: On Thursday 17 Jul 2003 6:47 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Richard Urwin wrote: Install rosegarden off your MDK disks. snip I downloaded all the suggested files on that web site snip Obviously doing something wrong ? I thought I installed off the CDs. Since I cannot now find it on the CDs I imagine that I actually installed it off the contrib source at Mandrake. It's always easier to install off the CDs (or other Mandrake RPM sources) if possible, for exactly that reason; you end up with a chain of upgrades that in the worst case breaks something else. CD3 would have been for the several packages that needed installing but you didn't download: automake and autoconf for example. And those two tell me you were trying to compile the source package. There is no need. The version I have installed is 4.8.5, and here's a link to a binary RPM that I found on the web: http://rpm.nyvalls.se/9.0/RPMS/rosegarden-4-alsa-0.8.5-2mdk.i586.rpm Try that. If your urpmi cannot find the right libraries they are also on the same page: http://rpm.nyvalls.se/sound9.0.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# urpmi rosegarden with http://rpm.nyvalls.se/9.0/RPMS/rosegarden-4-alsa-0.8.5-2mdk.i586.rpm What am I doing wrong ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
On Thursday 17 Jul 2003 10:12 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# urpmi rosegarden with http://rpm.nyvalls.se/9.0/RPMS/rosegarden-4-alsa-0.8.5-2mdk.i586.rpm What am I doing wrong ? You probably need to download it like you did the others that you tried. I wont be here until Tuesday now, but I'm unexperienced with urpmi anyway, someone else can help if you have problems. If you are a member of the mandrake club the magic incantation (that I've got) for the contrib source is: ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake/9.1/contrib/RPMS with a synthesis/hdlist of: ../../i586/Mandrake/base/hdlist2.cz -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
Have a look at this site. If it's not there, it probably doesn't exist. http://rpm.nyvalls.se/ Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
John Richard Smith wrote: I have a daughter good at creating electronically manipulated Sound programmes on her Yamaha. Here is an exaple, [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cd /mnt/ext2-vol7/Christine/tape1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] tape1]# ls disk.mng* song_004.mid* song_009.mid* song_013.mid* song_017.mid* song_001.mid* song_005.mid* song_010.mid* song_014.mid* song_018.mid* song_002.mid* song_006.mid* song_011.mid* song_015.mid* song_019.mid* song_003.mid* song_008.mid* song_012.mid* song_016.mid* song_n.mng* OK so it's meanigless to me at this time. What I need is a Linux programme to assemble and manipulate this stuff. This is likely to envolve, 1) cut and paste assembly. 2) Signwave display to change and manipulate the character of the sound. 3) mixers. 4) maybe conversion programmes, eg whatever these above are to .wav or .mp3 and no doubt many other things as well that my simplicity of understanding is holding me back from enunciating. Anybody know of a Linux programme or two that works. John http://rezound.sourceforge.net/ I tried it last night and was impressed. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mistaking knowledge for noise is just as costly as mistaking sarcasm for intelligence. Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) Maxims for Revolutionists Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
Damn! Didn't know about that one! Thanks from me too, Brant! Lanman On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 12:26, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: I have a daughter good at creating electronically manipulated Sound programmes on her Yamaha. Here is an exaple, [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cd /mnt/ext2-vol7/Christine/tape1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] tape1]# ls disk.mng* song_004.mid* song_009.mid* song_013.mid* song_017.mid* song_001.mid* song_005.mid* song_010.mid* song_014.mid* song_018.mid* song_002.mid* song_006.mid* song_011.mid* song_015.mid* song_019.mid* song_003.mid* song_008.mid* song_012.mid* song_016.mid* song_n.mng* OK so it's meanigless to me at this time. What I need is a Linux programme to assemble and manipulate this stuff. This is likely to envolve, 1) cut and paste assembly. 2) Signwave display to change and manipulate the character of the sound. 3) mixers. 4) maybe conversion programmes, eg whatever these above are to .wav or .mp3 and no doubt many other things as well that my simplicity of understanding is holding me back from enunciating. Anybody know of a Linux programme or two that works. John http://rezound.sourceforge.net/ I tried it last night and was impressed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
John Richard Smith wrote: I have a daughter good at creating electronically manipulated Sound programmes on her Yamaha. Here is an exaple, [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cd /mnt/ext2-vol7/Christine/tape1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] tape1]# ls disk.mng* song_004.mid* song_009.mid* song_013.mid* song_017.mid* song_001.mid* song_005.mid* song_010.mid* song_014.mid* song_018.mid* song_002.mid* song_006.mid* song_011.mid* song_015.mid* song_019.mid* song_003.mid* song_008.mid* song_012.mid* song_016.mid* song_n.mng* OK so it's meanigless to me at this time. What I need is a Linux programme to assemble and manipulate this stuff. This is likely to envolve, 1) cut and paste assembly. 2) Signwave display to change and manipulate the character of the sound. 3) mixers. 4) maybe conversion programmes, eg whatever these above are to .wav or .mp3 and no doubt many other things as well that my simplicity of understanding is holding me back from enunciating. Anybody know of a Linux programme or two that works. Try http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/linux/ for a really impressive collection of Linux music apps. Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
DoH! Kinda missed that one too, didn't I? OK, my previous post in this thread was inaccurate. My Bad! Thac's site wasn't the only place for good audio manipulation. I stand corrected. Lanman On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 12:57, Robin Turner wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: I have a daughter good at creating electronically manipulated Sound programmes on her Yamaha. Here is an exaple, [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cd /mnt/ext2-vol7/Christine/tape1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] tape1]# ls disk.mng* song_004.mid* song_009.mid* song_013.mid* song_017.mid* song_001.mid* song_005.mid* song_010.mid* song_014.mid* song_018.mid* song_002.mid* song_006.mid* song_011.mid* song_015.mid* song_019.mid* song_003.mid* song_008.mid* song_012.mid* song_016.mid* song_n.mng* OK so it's meanigless to me at this time. What I need is a Linux programme to assemble and manipulate this stuff. This is likely to envolve, 1) cut and paste assembly. 2) Signwave display to change and manipulate the character of the sound. 3) mixers. 4) maybe conversion programmes, eg whatever these above are to .wav or .mp3 and no doubt many other things as well that my simplicity of understanding is holding me back from enunciating. Anybody know of a Linux programme or two that works. Try http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/linux/ for a really impressive collection of Linux music apps. Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
Lanman wrote: Damn! Didn't know about that one! Thanks from me too, Brant! Lanman On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 12:26, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: I have a daughter good at creating electronically manipulated Sound programmes on her Yamaha. Here is an exaple, [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cd /mnt/ext2-vol7/Christine/tape1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] tape1]# ls disk.mng* song_004.mid* song_009.mid* song_013.mid* song_017.mid* song_001.mid* song_005.mid* song_010.mid* song_014.mid* song_018.mid* song_002.mid* song_006.mid* song_011.mid* song_015.mid* song_019.mid* song_003.mid* song_008.mid* song_012.mid* song_016.mid* song_n.mng* OK so it's meanigless to me at this time. What I need is a Linux programme to assemble and manipulate this stuff. This is likely to envolve, 1) cut and paste assembly. 2) Signwave display to change and manipulate the character of the sound. 3) mixers. 4) maybe conversion programmes, eg whatever these above are to .wav or .mp3 and no doubt many other things as well that my simplicity of understanding is holding me back from enunciating. Anybody know of a Linux programme or two that works. John http://rezound.sourceforge.net/ I tried it last night and was impressed. Rezound === I to, am impressed with it. It looks the think I'm looking for . Sorry to say I don't think it handles these funny yamaha sound files, which are all .mid files. At any rate I cannot seem toget any sense out of the sound generated, maybe wrong though, as it's early days and I'm unsure of the controls. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
On Wednesday 16 Jul 2003 12:57 pm, Lanman wrote: Have a look at this site. If it's not there, it probably doesn't exist. http://rpm.nyvalls.se/ .mid files are MIDI. I just successfully installed rosegarden as a midi implementation here after following the article referenced in Mandrake newsletter #81: http://www.mandrakeclub.com/article.php?sid=979 Also have a look at http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linuxsound/one-page.html -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sound mixer and manipulation programmes
John Richard Smith wrote: Rezound === I to, am impressed with it. It looks the think I'm looking for . Sorry to say I don't think it handles these funny yamaha sound files, which are all .mid files. At any rate I cannot seem toget any sense out of the sound generated, maybe wrong though, as it's early days and I'm unsure of the controls. John Hello John, It's been years since I looked at a Yamaha MIDI file, but if memory serves, Yamaha was not using standard MIDI instruments. By that I mean Instrument #1 in a standard MIDI file should be an Acoustic Piano, or Piano 1. Yamaha MIDI files may have Instrument #1 set to Trumpet, or something different that Acoustic Piano. To get the Yamaha MIDI files sounding correctly, all you may need to do is remap the Yamaha Instrument patches to Standard Midi Instruments patches in the Rezound editor. For example. Suppose Yamaha is using Track 1 as a Trumpet. In Rezound, you would set Track 1 to the Standard Midi instrument patch for Trumpet, which is #57 on an Instrument set that is numbered 1 to 128. The Trumpet would be patch #56 on a Instrument set that is numbered 0 to 127. (Be aware of these two numbering schemes for Standard MIDI files. If the patch you've specified still sounds like the wrong instrument, then increase or decrease the patch number you're using by 1 to get to the correct patch.) Now when Rezound plays Track 1, you should hear a Trumpet playing. I've not used Rezound, but this is a generic concept when working with MIDI files. This is also how you can reorchestrate a MIDI piece. If you don't like an Acoustic Piano playing on a Track, change the Instrument Patch to something else; such as a Harpsichord or Organ. Or use a different SoundFont to replace a poor sounding Acoustic Piano with a better sounding Grand Piano. When you're working with MIDI, you have great control over the final sound of the piece. Regards, The Other Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
