Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
I got a lot of stickers with LM7.0 Roman Tim Holmes wrote: And honestly, the abscence of such stickers has been my only real complaint about Mandrake! SuSE comes with stickers, RedHATE comes with a bumper sticker and some other stickets for the outside of the machine and everything. But not for Mandrake! I've been looking at the online store Mandrake just recently put out there, and was hoping those stickers would be on there right off the bat. I have however seen stickers to put over the Intel inside or the made for Windows sticker that says Penguin in Side or something like that. But I can't find that email address with that URL. tdh T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! | so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a nice | tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide cover | logo --
RE: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
Of course, one could always check thinkgeek.com and linuxmall. I know thinkgeek has some classics. -Original Message- From: Tim Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 9:54 AM To: Ed Tharp Cc: Dan LaBine; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded And honestly, the abscence of such stickers has been my only real complaint about Mandrake! SuSE comes with stickers, RedHATE comes with a bumper sticker and some other stickets for the outside of the machine and everything. But not for Mandrake! I've been looking at the online store Mandrake just recently put out there, and was hoping those stickers would be on there right off the bat. I have however seen stickers to put over the Intel inside or the made for Windows sticker that says Penguin in Side or something like that. But I can't find that email address with that URL. tdh T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! | so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a nice | tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide cover | logo --
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
And honestly, the abscence of such stickers has been my only real complaint about Mandrake! SuSE comes with stickers, RedHATE comes with a bumper sticker and some other stickets for the outside of the machine and everything. But not for Mandrake! I've been looking at the online store Mandrake just recently put out there, and was hoping those stickers would be on there right off the bat. I have however seen stickers to put over the Intel inside or the made for Windows sticker that says Penguin in Side or something like that. But I can't find that email address with that URL. tdh T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! | so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a nice | tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide cover | logo --
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a nice tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide cover logo - Original Message - From: Dan LaBine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded I'm not sure what this guy is talking about, but whatever it is, he makes no sense. First, he sounds like he purposely became a skeptic about O/S evangelism. What exactly is that?? Is he saying that we've elevated the mighty Tux to the level of a diety? Secondly, for someone who is a skeptic, he sounds awfully evangelical about Mac's. Either that or he's very insecure about his preferred O/S ! Next, why did he start this thread in the first place! Obviously, common sense is not a big contributor to his life! Every type of PC (Mac or Otherwise) was created because the inventor(s) thought there was a niche in the market for that type of PC. In some cases, the inventor was way off, while others were ahead of their time. Mac's have established a market niche, which many other systems (O/Ses included) have a way to go before they can compete equally. Not that Linux isn't worthy, but it still has a way to develop before it can go head to head with a Mac for Graphics. But that aside, Mac's have only got that one niche in which they are currently secure. The biggest problem that Apple has, is the lack of development resources to stay ahead, when compared to the enormous number of Linux app developers around the world. Sooner or later, Mac's will fall from their lofty perch, and I'm pretty sure that Linux will be there to pick up the slack. Now, about the Registered Linux numbers. One thing that Mac's have never been able to compete with is the way that Linux has evolved. Linus started it, and gave everyone the ability to develop it. Linux and all the programs, apps, etc, that have followed, were developed by individuals and groups whose primary contact was/is the Internet. This has allowed for the natural creation of a Linux Community. This community has a given Linux users a sense of belonging, participation, commitment, and cooperation that companies have been unable to duplicate. It's this same community that has Microsoft freaking out and lashing out at the Open Source community. They have fallen back on standard FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) tactics to scare people into staying with Microsoft. I firmly beleive that the whole concept behind these user numbers is that Linux users want to declare that I belong to a great global community, and nothing else. No evangelism, NaDa. Just an appreciation for the hard work of thousands of programmers, and contributors. Period. So whatever prescriptions your doctor may have given you, I strongly suggest you add a huge dose of Happy Pills, or up the dosage on whatever you're on now! It's too easy to become a skeptic or cynic. It's much harder to have a little faith, but the one constant I've seen on this list is a huge dose of it. Everyone, that is, except or skeptic friend here. And by the way, Linux isn't the threat you should be concerned about. Microsoft's Windows XP is intended to be the O/S that will be Mac's undoing. I suggest that you concentrate your attitude on them, and don't waste our time. Dan LaBine Registered Linux User #190712
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
and well they should ...let everyone know I ain't part of the fence holding up the Gates - Original Message - From: Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Dan LaBine [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded Careful. The Mandrake Store may be providing this in the near future grin Ed Tharp wrote: so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a nice tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide cover logo - Original Message - From: Dan LaBine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded I'm not sure what this guy is talking about, but whatever it is, he makes no sense. First, he sounds like he purposely became a skeptic about O/S evangelism. What exactly is that?? Is he saying that we've elevated the mighty Tux to the level of a diety? Secondly, for someone who is a skeptic, he sounds awfully evangelical about Mac's. Either that or he's very insecure about his preferred O/S ! Next, why did he start this thread in the first place! Obviously, common sense is not a big contributor to his life! Every type of PC (Mac or Otherwise) was created because the inventor(s) thought there was a niche in the market for that type of PC. In some cases, the inventor was way off, while others were ahead of their time. Mac's have established a market niche, which many other systems (O/Ses included) have a way to go before they can compete equally. Not that Linux isn't worthy, but it still has a way to develop before it can go head to head with a Mac for Graphics. But that aside, Mac's have only got that one niche in which they are currently secure. The biggest problem that Apple has, is the lack of development resources to stay ahead, when compared to the enormous number of Linux app developers around the world. Sooner or later, Mac's will fall from their lofty perch, and I'm pretty sure that Linux will be there to pick up the slack. Now, about the Registered Linux numbers. One thing that Mac's have never been able to compete with is the way that Linux has evolved. Linus started it, and gave everyone the ability to develop it. Linux and all the programs, apps, etc, that have followed, were developed by individuals and groups whose primary contact was/is the Internet. This has allowed for the natural creation of a Linux Community. This community has a given Linux users a sense of belonging, participation, commitment, and cooperation that companies have been unable to duplicate. It's this same community that has Microsoft freaking out and lashing out at the Open Source community. They have fallen back on standard FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) tactics to scare people into staying with Microsoft. I firmly beleive that the whole concept behind these user numbers is that Linux users want to declare that I belong to a great global community, and nothing else. No evangelism, NaDa. Just an appreciation for the hard work of thousands of programmers, and contributors. Period. So whatever prescriptions your doctor may have given you, I strongly suggest you add a huge dose of Happy Pills, or up the dosage on whatever you're on now! It's too easy to become a skeptic or cynic. It's much harder to have a little faith, but the one constant I've seen on this list is a huge dose of it. Everyone, that is, except or skeptic friend here. And by the way, Linux isn't the threat you should be concerned about. Microsoft's Windows XP is intended to be the O/S that will be Mac's undoing. I suggest that you concentrate your attitude on them, and don't waste our time. Dan LaBine Registered Linux User #190712 -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
LOL Good one! Good one! Ed Tharp wrote: and well they should ...let everyone know I ain't part of the fence holding up the Gates - Original Message - From: Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Dan LaBine [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded Careful. The Mandrake Store may be providing this in the near future grin Ed Tharp wrote: so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a nice tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide cover logo - Original Message - From: Dan LaBine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded I'm not sure what this guy is talking about, but whatever it is, he makes no sense. First, he sounds like he purposely became a skeptic about O/S evangelism. What exactly is that?? Is he saying that we've elevated the mighty Tux to the level of a diety? Secondly, for someone who is a skeptic, he sounds awfully evangelical about Mac's. Either that or he's very insecure about his preferred O/S ! Next, why did he start this thread in the first place! Obviously, common sense is not a big contributor to his life! Every type of PC (Mac or Otherwise) was created because the inventor(s) thought there was a niche in the market for that type of PC. In some cases, the inventor was way off, while others were ahead of their time. Mac's have established a market niche, which many other systems (O/Ses included) have a way to go before they can compete equally. Not that Linux isn't worthy, but it still has a way to develop before it can go head to head with a Mac for Graphics. But that aside, Mac's have only got that one niche in which they are currently secure. The biggest problem that Apple has, is the lack of development resources to stay ahead, when compared to the enormous number of Linux app developers around the world. Sooner or later, Mac's will fall from their lofty perch, and I'm pretty sure that Linux will be there to pick up the slack. Now, about the Registered Linux numbers. One thing that Mac's have never been able to compete with is the way that Linux has evolved. Linus started it, and gave everyone the ability to develop it. Linux and all the programs, apps, etc, that have followed, were developed by individuals and groups whose primary contact was/is the Internet. This has allowed for the natural creation of a Linux Community. This community has a given Linux users a sense of belonging, participation, commitment, and cooperation that companies have been unable to duplicate. It's this same community that has Microsoft freaking out and lashing out at the Open Source community. They have fallen back on standard FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) tactics to scare people into staying with Microsoft. I firmly beleive that the whole concept behind these user numbers is that Linux users want to declare that I belong to a great global community, and nothing else. No evangelism, NaDa. Just an appreciation for the hard work of thousands of programmers, and contributors. Period. So whatever prescriptions your doctor may have given you, I strongly suggest you add a huge dose of Happy Pills, or up the dosage on whatever you're on now! It's too easy to become a skeptic or cynic. It's much harder to have a little faith, but the one constant I've seen on this list is a huge dose of it. Everyone, that is, except or skeptic friend here. And by the way, Linux isn't the threat you should be concerned about. Microsoft's Windows XP is intended to be the O/S that will be Mac's undoing. I suggest that you concentrate your attitude on them, and don't waste our time. Dan LaBine Registered Linux User #190712 -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
Careful. The Mandrake Store may be providing this in the near future grin Ed Tharp wrote: so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a nice tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide cover logo - Original Message - From: Dan LaBine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded I'm not sure what this guy is talking about, but whatever it is, he makes no sense. First, he sounds like he purposely became a skeptic about O/S evangelism. What exactly is that?? Is he saying that we've elevated the mighty Tux to the level of a diety? Secondly, for someone who is a skeptic, he sounds awfully evangelical about Mac's. Either that or he's very insecure about his preferred O/S ! Next, why did he start this thread in the first place! Obviously, common sense is not a big contributor to his life! Every type of PC (Mac or Otherwise) was created because the inventor(s) thought there was a niche in the market for that type of PC. In some cases, the inventor was way off, while others were ahead of their time. Mac's have established a market niche, which many other systems (O/Ses included) have a way to go before they can compete equally. Not that Linux isn't worthy, but it still has a way to develop before it can go head to head with a Mac for Graphics. But that aside, Mac's have only got that one niche in which they are currently secure. The biggest problem that Apple has, is the lack of development resources to stay ahead, when compared to the enormous number of Linux app developers around the world. Sooner or later, Mac's will fall from their lofty perch, and I'm pretty sure that Linux will be there to pick up the slack. Now, about the Registered Linux numbers. One thing that Mac's have never been able to compete with is the way that Linux has evolved. Linus started it, and gave everyone the ability to develop it. Linux and all the programs, apps, etc, that have followed, were developed by individuals and groups whose primary contact was/is the Internet. This has allowed for the natural creation of a Linux Community. This community has a given Linux users a sense of belonging, participation, commitment, and cooperation that companies have been unable to duplicate. It's this same community that has Microsoft freaking out and lashing out at the Open Source community. They have fallen back on standard FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) tactics to scare people into staying with Microsoft. I firmly beleive that the whole concept behind these user numbers is that Linux users want to declare that I belong to a great global community, and nothing else. No evangelism, NaDa. Just an appreciation for the hard work of thousands of programmers, and contributors. Period. So whatever prescriptions your doctor may have given you, I strongly suggest you add a huge dose of Happy Pills, or up the dosage on whatever you're on now! It's too easy to become a skeptic or cynic. It's much harder to have a little faith, but the one constant I've seen on this list is a huge dose of it. Everyone, that is, except or skeptic friend here. And by the way, Linux isn't the threat you should be concerned about. Microsoft's Windows XP is intended to be the O/S that will be Mac's undoing. I suggest that you concentrate your attitude on them, and don't waste our time. Dan LaBine Registered Linux User #190712 -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
That's the one thing that Linux users have is a lot of faith in their OS. We also have a very large contingent of individuals all over the world devoting all of their time and effort to produce a great OS. Linux is always evolving and has a bright future. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 This email is powered by the Tux Email Utility Dan LaBine wrote: I'm not sure what this guy is talking about, but whatever it is, he makes no sense. First, he sounds like he purposely became a skeptic about O/S evangelism. What exactly is that?? Is he saying that we've elevated the mighty Tux to the level of a diety? Secondly, for someone who is a skeptic, he sounds awfully evangelical about Mac's. Either that or he's very insecure about his preferred O/S ! Next, why did he start this thread in the first place! Obviously, common sense is not a big contributor to his life! Every type of PC (Mac or Otherwise) was created because the inventor(s) thought there was a niche in the market for that type of PC. In some cases, the inventor was way off, while others were ahead of their time. Mac's have established a market niche, which many other systems (O/Ses included) have a way to go before they can compete equally. Not that Linux isn't worthy, but it still has a way to develop before it can go head to head with a Mac for Graphics. But that aside, Mac's have only got that one niche in which they are currently secure. The biggest problem that Apple has, is the lack of development resources to stay ahead, when compared to the enormous number of Linux app developers around the world. Sooner or later, Mac's will fall from their lofty perch, and I'm pretty sure that Linux will be there to pick up the slack. Now, about the Registered Linux numbers. One thing that Mac's have never been able to compete with is the way that Linux has evolved. Linus started it, and gave everyone the ability to develop it. Linux and all the programs, apps, etc, that have followed, were developed by individuals and groups whose primary contact was/is the Internet. This has allowed for the natural creation of a Linux Community. This community has a given Linux users a sense of belonging, participation, commitment, and cooperation that companies have been unable to duplicate. It's this same community that has Microsoft freaking out and lashing out at the Open Source community. They have fallen back on standard FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) tactics to scare people into staying with Microsoft. I firmly beleive that the whole concept behind these user numbers is that Linux users want to declare that I belong to a great global community, and nothing else. No evangelism, NaDa. Just an appreciation for the hard work of thousands of programmers, and contributors. Period. So whatever prescriptions your doctor may have given you, I strongly suggest you add a huge dose of Happy Pills, or up the dosage on whatever you're on now! It's too easy to become a skeptic or cynic. It's much harder to have a little faith, but the one constant I've seen on this list is a huge dose of it. Everyone, that is, except or skeptic friend here. And by the way, Linux isn't the threat you should be concerned about. Microsoft's Windows XP is intended to be the O/S that will be Mac's undoing. I suggest that you concentrate your attitude on them, and don't waste our time. Dan LaBine Registered Linux User #190712
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
Dan LaBine wrote: I'm not sure what this guy is talking about, but whatever it is, he makes no sense. First, he sounds like he purposely became a skeptic about O/S evangelism. What exactly is that?? Is he saying that we've elevated the mighty Tux to the level of a diety? . I am Christian. I worship Jesus Christ. I do a Bible study mailing list for a prison ministry. I keep a database for a ministry to the homeless and keep in touch with my partners in ministry through email. It just so happens that I can do these things much more effectively on Linux than I can on Windows. I have never used Mac, so I can't say whether or not it is better or worse than Linux, but the sharing of knowledge and even products that we see in the Linux community, is much closer to Biblical priciples than the rampant capitalism we see in Apple and Microsoft. I don't bow down to Tux as an idol, but I do salute Linus for his gift to the world and the whole concept of open source. I just downloaded the Bible Reader, a very good Bible program by David White, which rivals some very expensive commercial software. He also personally responded to a question I posted on this list and his response corrected the problem I was having. IHaven't gotten that kind of support anywhere else, even for a fee. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Bible Study Teacher Registered Linux user #217118 in Tux we type, but in God we trust Yah Veh Nissi, is our banner! Yah Shua Messiach, is Sovreign Shalom!
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
s wrote: On Monday 04 June 2001 09:31 pm, you wrote: OOPs, ment for this to go to the list, I keep forgetting the reply is set to originator. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:22:48 -0500 From: Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pablo García Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Monday 04 June 2001 07:34 pm, you wrote: Comes from Registered users... As an experienced Mac-user, it took me months to become skeptic about OS-evangelism. The first Macintosh (1984) was designed to be silent, small and discrete. The computer for everyone tried not to look nor behave like a traditional computer. It was intended to be another domestic appliance, like a food mixer or a vacuum cleaner, to help with everyday tasks (the power to be your best). Then someone thought they would earn more money (it's always about that) selling a myth instead of a very good computer, and there you got the apples: 9% of the whole market. As a Linux observer, I am suspicious I'm in front of another fashionable operating system. Suddenly, 3 or 4 Linux-only magazines appear at my newsagent's, and every Windows magazine will open a Linux section. Who cares how many Linux users? You will find many more Macintoshes involved in profitable tasks and they still don't get the industry support they deserve. Try not to think how it should be but how it is. -- Pablo Garc� Dur� Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name=Attachment: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: who cares? The hardware makers whoes bottom line says it's only worth providing drivers if there is a large enough base of support to make it profitable. And the people who have become sick and tired of being ripped off for so so software that crashes at the drop of a hat and yet you have to pay $200 plus for it and another $100 plus for the next upgrade. Change comes from not accepting what is, and striving for what should be. It is time for a choice and the only way to have a choice is to stand up and be counted, whether by appending registered linux user or e-mail to vendors asking for proper support. You never know till you try. -- Dennis M. registered Linux user # 180842 --- I still don't understand the original posters use of the word paranoia. What are we supposed to be paranoid of? His narration makes a point but still doesn't explain why he thinks we are being paranoid by putting our registered linux user number in our signature. I always figured it was sorta bragging rights - those with real low numbers indicating they have been using linux since it's not so easy days. Maybe I'm dense, maybe I've always used the term incorrectly, or maybe he doesn't know the definition of the word. ??? However, I just read where: IBM, PC MAKERS TEAM ON LINUX Big Blue, NEC, Fujitsu and Hitachi will commit 500 engineers for enterprise Linux software development with a goal of making products available within the next two years: http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?105004:5757726 I think it's time is coming, and one will be proud of their low numbers, not paranoid. Of course mine isn't low, but someday it may seem so -s -- linux inside (registered user: #197855) Mr. P, This may create a storm but I have had it up to 'hear' with attitude - as an experienced Mac user, he says. We have heard more Mac users bragging about how great their MACs are and it bugs the hell out of us. It's not the Mac. Don't get me wrong, it's a great computer. What bothers me is the sneering 'I'm better than you attitude'. So what! If you want to hook up your MAC to a food mixer for an infomercial, than go for it. Stop the preaching. We don't need you to tell us how to make money. As a Linux user, I like to have an option to use stamp or number as a signature. If you want to add MAC User #xxx, go for it. Don't bother answering. Roman Proud to be a Registered Linux User #179293
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
From: Romanator<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: s<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , [EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:47:31 -0400 s wrote: On Monday 04 June 2001 09:31 pm, you wrote: OOPs, ment for this to go to the list, I keep forgetting the reply is set to originator. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:22:48 -0500 From: Dennis Myers<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Pablo Garca Durn<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Monday 04 June 2001 07:34 pm, you wrote: Comes from Registered users... As an experienced Mac-user, it took me months to become skeptic about OS-evangelism. The first Macintosh (1984) was designed to be silent, small and discrete. The computer for everyone tried not to look nor behave like a traditional computer. It was intended to be another domestic appliance, like a food mixer or a vacuum cleaner, to help with everyday tasks (the power to be your best). Then someone thought they would earn more money (it's always about that) selling a myth instead of a very good computer, and there you got the apples: 9% of the whole market. As a Linux observer, I am suspicious I'm in front of another fashionable operating system. Suddenly, 3 or 4 Linux-only magazines appear at my newsagent's, and every Windows magazine will open a Linux section. Who cares how many Linux users? You will find many more Macintoshes involved in profitable tasks and they still don't get the industry support they deserve. Try not to think how it should be but how it is. That is a bunch of BS!!!. Linux is VERY involved in profitable tasks Titanic, Shrek, and many other movies were FULLY created with LINUX! Brandon Caudle -- Pablo Garc Dur Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name=Attachment: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: who cares? The hardware makers whoes bottom line says it's only worth providing drivers if there is a large enough base of support to make it profitable. And the people who have become sick and tired of being ripped off for so so software that crashes at the drop of a hat and yet you have to pay $200 plus for it and another $100 plus for the next upgrade. Change comes from not accepting what is, and striving for what should be. It is time for a choice and the only way to have a choice is to stand up and be counted, whether by appending registered linux user or e-mail to vendors asking for proper support. You never know till you try. -- Dennis M. registered Linux user # 180842 --- I still don't understand the original posters use of the word paranoia. What are we supposed to be paranoid of? His narration makes a point but still doesn't explain why he thinks we are being paranoid by putting our registered linux user number in our signature. I always figured it was sorta bragging rights - those with real low numbers indicating they have been using linux since it's not so easy days. Maybe I'm dense, maybe I've always used the term incorrectly, or maybe he doesn't know the definition of the word. ??? However, I just read where: IBM, PC MAKERS TEAM ON LINUX Big Blue, NEC, Fujitsu and Hitachi will commit 500 engineers for enterprise Linux software development with a goal of making products available within the next two years: http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?105004:5757726 I think it's time is coming, and one will be proud of their low numbers, not paranoid. Of course mine isn't low, but someday it may seem so -s -- linux inside (registered user: #197855) Mr. P, This may create a storm but I have had it up to 'hear' with attitude - as an experienced Mac user, he says. We have heard more Mac users bragging about how great their MACs are and it bugs the hell out of us. It's not the Mac. Don't get me wrong, it's a great computer. What bothers me is the sneering 'I'm better than you attitude'. So what! If you want to hook up your MAC to a food mixer for an infomercial, than go for it. Stop the preaching. We don't need you to tell us how to make money. As a Linux user, I like to have an option to use stamp or number as a signature. If you want to add MAC User #xxx, go for it. Don't bother answering. Roman Proud to be a Registered Linux User #179293 Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com