Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded

2001-06-18 Thread Romanator

I got a lot of stickers with LM7.0

Roman

Tim Holmes wrote:
 
 And honestly, the abscence of such stickers has been my only real complaint about 
Mandrake!
 SuSE comes with stickers, RedHATE comes with a bumper sticker and some other 
stickets for
 the outside of the machine and everything.  But not for Mandrake!
 
 I've been looking at the online store Mandrake just recently put out there, and was 
hoping
 those stickers would be on there right off the bat.  I have however seen stickers to 
put
 over the Intel inside or the made for Windows sticker that says Penguin in Side 
or
 something like that.  But I can't find that email address with that URL.
 tdh
 
 T. Holmes
 -
 UNIXTECHS.org
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 -
 Real Men Us Vi!
 
 | so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a nice
 | tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide cover
 | logo
   --




RE: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded

2001-06-18 Thread Jason Guidry

Of course, one could always check thinkgeek.com and linuxmall.  I know
thinkgeek has some classics.

-Original Message-
From: Tim Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 9:54 AM
To: Ed Tharp
Cc: Dan LaBine; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded

And honestly, the abscence of such stickers has been my only real complaint
about Mandrake!
SuSE comes with stickers, RedHATE comes with a bumper sticker and some other
stickets for
the outside of the machine and everything.  But not for Mandrake!

I've been looking at the online store Mandrake just recently put out there,
and was hoping
those stickers would be on there right off the bat.  I have however seen
stickers to put
over the Intel inside or the made for Windows sticker that says Penguin
in Side or
something like that.  But I can't find that email address with that URL.
tdh


T. Holmes
-
UNIXTECHS.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
Real Men Us Vi!


| so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a
nice
| tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide
cover
| logo
  --




Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded

2001-06-18 Thread Tim Holmes

And honestly, the abscence of such stickers has been my only real complaint about 
Mandrake!
SuSE comes with stickers, RedHATE comes with a bumper sticker and some other stickets 
for
the outside of the machine and everything.  But not for Mandrake! 

I've been looking at the online store Mandrake just recently put out there, and was 
hoping
those stickers would be on there right off the bat.  I have however seen stickers to 
put
over the Intel inside or the made for Windows sticker that says Penguin in Side or
something like that.  But I can't find that email address with that URL.
tdh


T. Holmes
-
UNIXTECHS.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
Real Men Us Vi!


| so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a nice
| tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide cover
| logo
  -- 




Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded

2001-06-17 Thread Ed Tharp

so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a nice
tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide cover
logo
- Original Message -
From: Dan LaBine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded


 I'm not sure what this guy is talking about, but whatever it is, he makes
no
 sense. First, he sounds like he purposely became a skeptic about O/S
 evangelism. What exactly is that?? Is he saying that we've elevated the
 mighty Tux to the level of a diety? Secondly, for someone who is a
skeptic,
 he sounds awfully evangelical about Mac's. Either that or he's very
insecure
 about his preferred O/S !

 Next, why did he start this thread in the first place! Obviously, common
 sense is not a big contributor to his life! Every type of PC (Mac or
 Otherwise) was created because the inventor(s) thought there was a niche
in
 the market for that type of PC. In some cases, the inventor was way off,
 while others were ahead of their time. Mac's have established a market
 niche, which many other systems (O/Ses included) have a way to go before
 they can compete equally. Not that Linux isn't worthy, but it still has a
 way to develop before it can go head to head with a Mac for Graphics. But
 that aside, Mac's have only got that one niche in which they are currently
 secure. The biggest problem that Apple has, is the lack of development
 resources to stay ahead, when compared to the enormous number of Linux app
 developers around the world. Sooner or later, Mac's will fall from their
 lofty perch, and I'm pretty sure that Linux will be there to pick up the
 slack.

 Now, about the Registered Linux numbers. One thing that Mac's have never
 been able to compete with is the way that Linux has evolved. Linus started
 it, and gave everyone the ability to develop it. Linux and all the
programs,
 apps, etc, that have followed, were developed by individuals and groups
 whose primary contact was/is the Internet. This has allowed for the
natural
 creation of a Linux Community. This community has a given Linux users a
 sense of belonging, participation, commitment, and cooperation that
 companies have been unable to duplicate. It's this same community that has
 Microsoft freaking out and lashing out at the Open Source community. They
 have fallen back on standard FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) tactics to scare
 people into staying with Microsoft.

 I firmly beleive that the whole concept behind these user numbers is that
 Linux users want to declare that I belong to a great global community,
and
 nothing else. No evangelism, NaDa. Just an appreciation for the hard work
of
 thousands of programmers, and contributors. Period. So whatever
 prescriptions your doctor may have given you, I strongly suggest you add a
 huge dose of Happy Pills, or up the dosage on whatever you're on now!

 It's too easy to become a skeptic or cynic. It's much harder to have a
 little faith, but the one constant I've seen on this list is a huge dose
of
 it. Everyone, that is, except or skeptic friend here. And by the way,
Linux
 isn't the threat you should be concerned about. Microsoft's Windows XP is
 intended to be the O/S that will be Mac's undoing. I suggest that you
 concentrate your attitude on them, and don't waste our time.

 Dan LaBine
 Registered Linux User #190712








Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded

2001-06-17 Thread Ed Tharp

and well they should ...let everyone know I ain't part of the fence holding
up the Gates
- Original Message -
From: Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ed Tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Dan LaBine [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded


 Careful. The Mandrake Store may be providing this in the near future
 grin

 Ed Tharp wrote:
 
  so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a
nice
  tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide
cover
  logo
  - Original Message -
  From: Dan LaBine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:56 AM
  Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
 
   I'm not sure what this guy is talking about, but whatever it is, he
makes
  no
   sense. First, he sounds like he purposely became a skeptic about O/S
   evangelism. What exactly is that?? Is he saying that we've elevated
the
   mighty Tux to the level of a diety? Secondly, for someone who is a
  skeptic,
   he sounds awfully evangelical about Mac's. Either that or he's very
  insecure
   about his preferred O/S !
  
   Next, why did he start this thread in the first place! Obviously,
common
   sense is not a big contributor to his life! Every type of PC (Mac or
   Otherwise) was created because the inventor(s) thought there was a
niche
  in
   the market for that type of PC. In some cases, the inventor was way
off,
   while others were ahead of their time. Mac's have established a market
   niche, which many other systems (O/Ses included) have a way to go
before
   they can compete equally. Not that Linux isn't worthy, but it still
has a
   way to develop before it can go head to head with a Mac for Graphics.
But
   that aside, Mac's have only got that one niche in which they are
currently
   secure. The biggest problem that Apple has, is the lack of development
   resources to stay ahead, when compared to the enormous number of Linux
app
   developers around the world. Sooner or later, Mac's will fall from
their
   lofty perch, and I'm pretty sure that Linux will be there to pick up
the
   slack.
  
   Now, about the Registered Linux numbers. One thing that Mac's have
never
   been able to compete with is the way that Linux has evolved. Linus
started
   it, and gave everyone the ability to develop it. Linux and all the
  programs,
   apps, etc, that have followed, were developed by individuals and
groups
   whose primary contact was/is the Internet. This has allowed for the
  natural
   creation of a Linux Community. This community has a given Linux users
a
   sense of belonging, participation, commitment, and cooperation that
   companies have been unable to duplicate. It's this same community that
has
   Microsoft freaking out and lashing out at the Open Source community.
They
   have fallen back on standard FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) tactics to
scare
   people into staying with Microsoft.
  
   I firmly beleive that the whole concept behind these user numbers is
that
   Linux users want to declare that I belong to a great global
community,
  and
   nothing else. No evangelism, NaDa. Just an appreciation for the hard
work
  of
   thousands of programmers, and contributors. Period. So whatever
   prescriptions your doctor may have given you, I strongly suggest you
add a
   huge dose of Happy Pills, or up the dosage on whatever you're on
now!
  
   It's too easy to become a skeptic or cynic. It's much harder to have a
   little faith, but the one constant I've seen on this list is a huge
dose
  of
   it. Everyone, that is, except or skeptic friend here. And by the way,
  Linux
   isn't the threat you should be concerned about. Microsoft's Windows XP
is
   intended to be the O/S that will be Mac's undoing. I suggest that you
   concentrate your attitude on them, and don't waste our time.
  
   Dan LaBine
   Registered Linux User #190712
  
  
  

 --
 Roman
 Registered Linux User #179293
 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility






Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded

2001-06-17 Thread Romanator

LOL Good one! Good one!

Ed Tharp wrote:
 
 and well they should ...let everyone know I ain't part of the fence holding
 up the Gates
 - Original Message -
 From: Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Ed Tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: Dan LaBine [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:41 PM
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
 
  Careful. The Mandrake Store may be providing this in the near future
  grin
 
  Ed Tharp wrote:
  
   so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a
 nice
   tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide
 cover
   logo
   - Original Message -
   From: Dan LaBine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:56 AM
   Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
  
I'm not sure what this guy is talking about, but whatever it is, he
 makes
   no
sense. First, he sounds like he purposely became a skeptic about O/S
evangelism. What exactly is that?? Is he saying that we've elevated
 the
mighty Tux to the level of a diety? Secondly, for someone who is a
   skeptic,
he sounds awfully evangelical about Mac's. Either that or he's very
   insecure
about his preferred O/S !
   
Next, why did he start this thread in the first place! Obviously,
 common
sense is not a big contributor to his life! Every type of PC (Mac or
Otherwise) was created because the inventor(s) thought there was a
 niche
   in
the market for that type of PC. In some cases, the inventor was way
 off,
while others were ahead of their time. Mac's have established a market
niche, which many other systems (O/Ses included) have a way to go
 before
they can compete equally. Not that Linux isn't worthy, but it still
 has a
way to develop before it can go head to head with a Mac for Graphics.
 But
that aside, Mac's have only got that one niche in which they are
 currently
secure. The biggest problem that Apple has, is the lack of development
resources to stay ahead, when compared to the enormous number of Linux
 app
developers around the world. Sooner or later, Mac's will fall from
 their
lofty perch, and I'm pretty sure that Linux will be there to pick up
 the
slack.
   
Now, about the Registered Linux numbers. One thing that Mac's have
 never
been able to compete with is the way that Linux has evolved. Linus
 started
it, and gave everyone the ability to develop it. Linux and all the
   programs,
apps, etc, that have followed, were developed by individuals and
 groups
whose primary contact was/is the Internet. This has allowed for the
   natural
creation of a Linux Community. This community has a given Linux users
 a
sense of belonging, participation, commitment, and cooperation that
companies have been unable to duplicate. It's this same community that
 has
Microsoft freaking out and lashing out at the Open Source community.
 They
have fallen back on standard FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) tactics to
 scare
people into staying with Microsoft.
   
I firmly beleive that the whole concept behind these user numbers is
 that
Linux users want to declare that I belong to a great global
 community,
   and
nothing else. No evangelism, NaDa. Just an appreciation for the hard
 work
   of
thousands of programmers, and contributors. Period. So whatever
prescriptions your doctor may have given you, I strongly suggest you
 add a
huge dose of Happy Pills, or up the dosage on whatever you're on
 now!
   
It's too easy to become a skeptic or cynic. It's much harder to have a
little faith, but the one constant I've seen on this list is a huge
 dose
   of
it. Everyone, that is, except or skeptic friend here. And by the way,
   Linux
isn't the threat you should be concerned about. Microsoft's Windows XP
 is
intended to be the O/S that will be Mac's undoing. I suggest that you
concentrate your attitude on them, and don't waste our time.
   
Dan LaBine
Registered Linux User #190712
   
   
   
 
  --
  Roman
  Registered Linux User #179293
  Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
 

-- 
Roman
Registered Linux User #179293
Email Powered By Tux Email Utility




Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded

2001-06-17 Thread Romanator

Careful. The Mandrake Store may be providing this in the near future
grin

Ed Tharp wrote:
 
 so what I want now is to replace the apple logo on my Mazda RX3 with a nice
 tux with a mandrake shooting star and like the mandrake 7.0 user guide cover
 logo
 - Original Message -
 From: Dan LaBine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:56 AM
 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded
 
  I'm not sure what this guy is talking about, but whatever it is, he makes
 no
  sense. First, he sounds like he purposely became a skeptic about O/S
  evangelism. What exactly is that?? Is he saying that we've elevated the
  mighty Tux to the level of a diety? Secondly, for someone who is a
 skeptic,
  he sounds awfully evangelical about Mac's. Either that or he's very
 insecure
  about his preferred O/S !
 
  Next, why did he start this thread in the first place! Obviously, common
  sense is not a big contributor to his life! Every type of PC (Mac or
  Otherwise) was created because the inventor(s) thought there was a niche
 in
  the market for that type of PC. In some cases, the inventor was way off,
  while others were ahead of their time. Mac's have established a market
  niche, which many other systems (O/Ses included) have a way to go before
  they can compete equally. Not that Linux isn't worthy, but it still has a
  way to develop before it can go head to head with a Mac for Graphics. But
  that aside, Mac's have only got that one niche in which they are currently
  secure. The biggest problem that Apple has, is the lack of development
  resources to stay ahead, when compared to the enormous number of Linux app
  developers around the world. Sooner or later, Mac's will fall from their
  lofty perch, and I'm pretty sure that Linux will be there to pick up the
  slack.
 
  Now, about the Registered Linux numbers. One thing that Mac's have never
  been able to compete with is the way that Linux has evolved. Linus started
  it, and gave everyone the ability to develop it. Linux and all the
 programs,
  apps, etc, that have followed, were developed by individuals and groups
  whose primary contact was/is the Internet. This has allowed for the
 natural
  creation of a Linux Community. This community has a given Linux users a
  sense of belonging, participation, commitment, and cooperation that
  companies have been unable to duplicate. It's this same community that has
  Microsoft freaking out and lashing out at the Open Source community. They
  have fallen back on standard FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) tactics to scare
  people into staying with Microsoft.
 
  I firmly beleive that the whole concept behind these user numbers is that
  Linux users want to declare that I belong to a great global community,
 and
  nothing else. No evangelism, NaDa. Just an appreciation for the hard work
 of
  thousands of programmers, and contributors. Period. So whatever
  prescriptions your doctor may have given you, I strongly suggest you add a
  huge dose of Happy Pills, or up the dosage on whatever you're on now!
 
  It's too easy to become a skeptic or cynic. It's much harder to have a
  little faith, but the one constant I've seen on this list is a huge dose
 of
  it. Everyone, that is, except or skeptic friend here. And by the way,
 Linux
  isn't the threat you should be concerned about. Microsoft's Windows XP is
  intended to be the O/S that will be Mac's undoing. I suggest that you
  concentrate your attitude on them, and don't waste our time.
 
  Dan LaBine
  Registered Linux User #190712
 
 
 

-- 
Roman
Registered Linux User #179293
Email Powered By Tux Email Utility




Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded

2001-06-08 Thread Romanator

That's the one thing that Linux users have is a lot of faith in their
OS. We also have a very large contingent of individuals all over the
world devoting all of their time and effort to produce a great OS. 
Linux is always evolving and has a bright future.

Roman
Registered Linux User #179293
This email is powered by the Tux Email Utility

 

Dan LaBine wrote:
 
 I'm not sure what this guy is talking about, but whatever it is, he makes no
 sense. First, he sounds like he purposely became a skeptic about O/S
 evangelism. What exactly is that?? Is he saying that we've elevated the
 mighty Tux to the level of a diety? Secondly, for someone who is a skeptic,
 he sounds awfully evangelical about Mac's. Either that or he's very insecure
 about his preferred O/S !
 
 Next, why did he start this thread in the first place! Obviously, common
 sense is not a big contributor to his life! Every type of PC (Mac or
 Otherwise) was created because the inventor(s) thought there was a niche in
 the market for that type of PC. In some cases, the inventor was way off,
 while others were ahead of their time. Mac's have established a market
 niche, which many other systems (O/Ses included) have a way to go before
 they can compete equally. Not that Linux isn't worthy, but it still has a
 way to develop before it can go head to head with a Mac for Graphics. But
 that aside, Mac's have only got that one niche in which they are currently
 secure. The biggest problem that Apple has, is the lack of development
 resources to stay ahead, when compared to the enormous number of Linux app
 developers around the world. Sooner or later, Mac's will fall from their
 lofty perch, and I'm pretty sure that Linux will be there to pick up the
 slack.
 
 Now, about the Registered Linux numbers. One thing that Mac's have never
 been able to compete with is the way that Linux has evolved. Linus started
 it, and gave everyone the ability to develop it. Linux and all the programs,
 apps, etc, that have followed, were developed by individuals and groups
 whose primary contact was/is the Internet. This has allowed for the natural
 creation of a Linux Community. This community has a given Linux users a
 sense of belonging, participation, commitment, and cooperation that
 companies have been unable to duplicate. It's this same community that has
 Microsoft freaking out and lashing out at the Open Source community. They
 have fallen back on standard FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) tactics to scare
 people into staying with Microsoft.
 
 I firmly beleive that the whole concept behind these user numbers is that
 Linux users want to declare that I belong to a great global community, and
 nothing else. No evangelism, NaDa. Just an appreciation for the hard work of
 thousands of programmers, and contributors. Period. So whatever
 prescriptions your doctor may have given you, I strongly suggest you add a
 huge dose of Happy Pills, or up the dosage on whatever you're on now!
 
 It's too easy to become a skeptic or cynic. It's much harder to have a
 little faith, but the one constant I've seen on this list is a huge dose of
 it. Everyone, that is, except or skeptic friend here. And by the way, Linux
 isn't the threat you should be concerned about. Microsoft's Windows XP is
 intended to be the O/S that will be Mac's undoing. I suggest that you
 concentrate your attitude on them, and don't waste our time.
 
 Dan LaBine
 Registered Linux User #190712




Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded

2001-06-08 Thread Charles A. Punch

Dan LaBine wrote:

 I'm not sure what this guy is talking about, but whatever it is, he makes no
 sense. First, he sounds like he purposely became a skeptic about O/S
 evangelism. What exactly is that?? Is he saying that we've elevated the
 mighty Tux to the level of a diety? .


I am Christian. I worship Jesus Christ. I do a Bible study mailing list 
for a prison ministry. I keep a database for a ministry to the homeless 
and keep in touch with my partners in ministry through email. It just so 
happens that I can do these things much more effectively on Linux than I 
can on Windows. I have never used Mac, so I can't say whether or not it 
is better or worse than Linux, but the sharing of knowledge and even 
products that we see in the Linux community, is much closer to Biblical 
priciples than the rampant capitalism we see in Apple and Microsoft. I 
don't bow down to Tux as an idol, but I do salute Linus for his gift to 
the world and the whole concept of open source. I just downloaded the 
Bible Reader, a very good Bible program by David White, which rivals 
some very expensive commercial software. He also personally responded to 
a question I posted on this list and his response corrected the problem 
I was having. IHaven't gotten that kind of support  anywhere else, even 
for a fee.

ShalomOut
   Chal

Elder PCUSA
Bible Study Teacher
Registered Linux user #217118
in Tux we type, but in God we trust
Yah Veh Nissi, is our banner!
Yah Shua Messiach,  is Sovreign Shalom!





Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded

2001-06-07 Thread Romanator

s wrote:
 
 On Monday 04 June 2001 09:31 pm, you wrote:
  OOPs, ment for this to go to the list, I keep forgetting the reply is set
  to originator.
 
  --  Forwarded Message  --
  Subject: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia
  Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:22:48 -0500
  From: Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Pablo García Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  On Monday 04 June 2001 07:34 pm, you wrote:
   Comes from Registered users...
  
   As an experienced Mac-user, it took me months to become skeptic about
   OS-evangelism. The first Macintosh (1984) was designed to be silent,
   small and discrete. The computer for everyone tried not to look nor
   behave like a traditional computer. It was intended to be another
   domestic appliance, like a food mixer or a vacuum cleaner, to help with
   everyday tasks (the power to be your best). Then someone thought they
   would earn more money (it's always about that) selling a myth instead of
   a very good computer, and there you got the apples: 9% of the whole
   market.
  
   As a Linux observer, I am suspicious I'm in front of another
   fashionable operating system. Suddenly, 3 or 4 Linux-only magazines
   appear at my newsagent's, and every Windows magazine will open a Linux
   section.
  
  
   Who cares how many Linux users? You will find many more Macintoshes
   involved in profitable tasks and they still don't get the industry
   support they deserve. Try not to think how it should be but how it is.
  
  
   --
   Pablo Garc� Dur�
 
  
  Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name=Attachment: 1
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  Content-Description:
  
  who cares?  The hardware makers whoes bottom line says it's only worth
  providing drivers if there is a large enough base of support to make it
  profitable.   And the people who have become sick and tired of being ripped
  off for so so software that crashes at the drop of a hat and yet you have
  to pay $200 plus for it and another $100 plus for the next upgrade.  Change
  comes from not accepting what is, and striving for what should be.  It is
  time for a choice and the only way to have a choice is to stand up and be
  counted, whether by appending registered linux user or e-mail to vendors
  asking for proper support. You never know till you try.
  --
  Dennis M. registered Linux user # 180842
 
  ---
 
 I still don't understand the original posters use of the word paranoia.  What
 are we supposed to be paranoid of?  His narration makes a point but still
 doesn't explain why he thinks we are being paranoid by putting our registered
 linux user number in our signature.  I always figured it was sorta bragging
 rights - those with real low numbers indicating they have been using linux
 since it's not so easy days.  Maybe I'm dense, maybe I've always used the
 term incorrectly, or maybe he doesn't know the definition of the word.  ???
 
 However, I just read where:
 IBM, PC MAKERS TEAM ON LINUX
 Big Blue, NEC, Fujitsu and Hitachi will commit 500
 engineers for enterprise Linux software development
 with a goal of making products available within the
 next two years:
 http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?105004:5757726  
 
 I think it's time is coming, and one will be proud of their low numbers, not
 paranoid.  Of course mine isn't low, but someday it may seem so
 
 -s
 --
 linux inside
 (registered user:  #197855)

Mr. P,

This may create a storm but I have had it up to 'hear' with attitude -
as an experienced Mac user, he says. 
We have heard more Mac users bragging about how great their MACs are and
it bugs the hell out of us. It's not the Mac. Don't get me wrong, it's a
great computer. What bothers me is the sneering 'I'm better than you
attitude'. 
So what! 
If you want to hook up your MAC to a food mixer for an infomercial, than
go for it.  Stop the preaching. We don't need you to tell us how to make
money. 
As a Linux user, I like to have an option to use stamp or number as a
signature. If you want to add MAC User #xxx, go for it. Don't bother
answering. 

 
Roman
Proud to be a Registered Linux User #179293




Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded

2001-06-07 Thread Brandon Caudle




From: Romanator<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: s<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , [EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia is totally unfounded 
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:47:31 -0400 
 
s wrote: 
  
  On Monday 04 June 2001 09:31 pm, you wrote: 
   OOPs, ment for this to go to the list, I keep forgetting the reply is set 
   to originator. 
   
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   Subject: Re: [newbie] Penguin Paranoia 
   Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:22:48 -0500 
   From: Dennis Myers<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
   To: Pablo Garca Durn<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
   
   On Monday 04 June 2001 07:34 pm, you wrote: 
Comes from Registered users... 

As an experienced Mac-user, it took me months to become skeptic about 
OS-evangelism. The first Macintosh (1984) was designed to be silent, 
small and discrete. The computer for everyone tried not to look nor 
behave like a traditional computer. It was intended to be another 
domestic appliance, like a food mixer or a vacuum cleaner, to help with 
everyday tasks (the power to be your best). Then someone thought they 
would earn more money (it's always about that) selling a myth instead of 
a very good computer, and there you got the apples: 9% of the whole 
market. 

As a Linux observer, I am suspicious I'm in front of another 
fashionable operating system. Suddenly, 3 or 4 Linux-only magazines 
appear at my newsagent's, and every Windows magazine will open a Linux 
section. 


Who cares how many Linux users? You will find many more Macintoshes 
involved in profitable tasks and they still don't get the industry 
support they deserve. Try not to think how it should be but how it is. 

That is a bunch of BS!!!. Linux is VERY involved in profitable tasks Titanic, Shrek, and many other movies were FULLY created with LINUX!

Brandon Caudle



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   who cares? The hardware makers whoes bottom line says it's only worth 
   providing drivers if there is a large enough base of support to make it 
   profitable. And the people who have become sick and tired of being ripped 
   off for so so software that crashes at the drop of a hat and yet you have 
   to pay $200 plus for it and another $100 plus for the next upgrade. Change 
   comes from not accepting what is, and striving for what should be. It is 
   time for a choice and the only way to have a choice is to stand up and be 
   counted, whether by appending registered linux user or e-mail to vendors 
   asking for proper support. You never know till you try. 
   -- 
   Dennis M. registered Linux user # 180842 
   
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  I still don't understand the original posters use of the word paranoia. What 
  are we supposed to be paranoid of? His narration makes a point but still 
  doesn't explain why he thinks we are being paranoid by putting our registered 
  linux user number in our signature. I always figured it was sorta bragging 
  rights - those with real low numbers indicating they have been using linux 
  since it's not so easy days. Maybe I'm dense, maybe I've always used the 
  term incorrectly, or maybe he doesn't know the definition of the word. ??? 
  
  However, I just read where: 
  IBM, PC MAKERS TEAM ON LINUX 
  Big Blue, NEC, Fujitsu and Hitachi will commit 500 
  engineers for enterprise Linux software development 
  with a goal of making products available within the 
  next two years: 
  http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?105004:5757726  
  
  I think it's time is coming, and one will be proud of their low numbers, not 
  paranoid. Of course mine isn't low, but someday it may seem so 
  
  -s 
  -- 
  linux inside 
  (registered user: #197855) 
 
Mr. P, 
 
This may create a storm but I have had it up to 'hear' with attitude - 
as an experienced Mac user, he says. 
We have heard more Mac users bragging about how great their MACs are and 
it bugs the hell out of us. It's not the Mac. Don't get me wrong, it's a 
great computer. What bothers me is the sneering 'I'm better than you 
attitude'. 
So what! 
If you want to hook up your MAC to a food mixer for an infomercial, than 
go for it. Stop the preaching. We don't need you to tell us how to make 
money. 
As a Linux user, I like to have an option to use stamp or number as a 
signature. If you want to add MAC User #xxx, go for it. Don't bother 
answering. 
 
 
Roman 
Proud to be a Registered Linux User #179293 
 
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