Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Great Article on Trusted Computing

2003-09-22 Thread Richard Urwin
On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 9:46 pm, rikona wrote:
 Sunday, September 21, 2003, 9:02:46 AM, Bryan wrote:
 With China on the horizon to soon adopt Linux, I expect to see
 major market  splits very soon.

 China may save us after all, since they will be making everything.
 :-)

So we're depending on China for upholding personal freedom?

Anyone know any good planets? It's time I emigrated.

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Re[2]: [newbie] Great Article on Trusted Computing

2003-09-21 Thread rikona
Hello Bryan,

Sunday, September 21, 2003, 9:02:46 AM, you wrote:

BP it will be on/off enabled,

Only if this is forced by us. This is not the desires of those pushing
the idea.

BP The result will be that people will still buy the same computers
BP but you will have two choices, either you run Linux or another
BP competing OS and turn the  chip feature off,

One of the ideas is that this chip will control/oversee the boot - no
chip, no boot. Also, another idea is to have chips in other hardware
too, such as drives. So far, this has been beaten down, but it WILL
rise again, this time better disguised.

BP All the  more so because those people who are willing to be put in
BP a straight jacket  to be safe will opt for that platform and leave
BP free computing to those of us  who are willing to expend the
BP effort to do it right.

It depends what you are trying to be safe FROM. :-) I'm more worried
about what M$, RIAA, Govt, media cartel, etc will do than I am about
viruses.

BP Just means that Linux will have to run outside of it.

May not work. The chip(s) may also be used for authentication as well.
This is where the REAL control will come. Want to view/listen to legal
media? Won't happen without the chip. You want to surf? Well - you'll
have to use the chip to be authenticated for banking, buying, etc.
Want email? You might have to be authenticated by the server to get
your mail. And so on...

Also, the temptation to require the chip for ALL surfing will be hard
to resist. The chip could allow snooping that may be difficult to get
around, and non-removable spyware. M$ wants to control the net. This
will be a key to allowing that control.

Authentication is a major upcoming issue, and the way we will be
controlled if we're not careful.

BP With China on the horizon to soon adopt Linux, I expect to see major market 
BP splits very soon.

China may save us after all, since they will be making everything. :-)
The question is still about authentication, though.

BP Even if they wanted to scan  everyone's computer, they simply
BP don't have the manpower or time.

Doesn't take manpower, just computing power, and we'll have lots of
that. We already have companies building dossiers of most of the
population. The govt likes this, since it doesn't take any of their $$
or effort, and often companies do it better. :-)

BP Hell, they can't even catch muslim terrorists and the subset of those guys are 
BP much lower than everybody.

It's not about catching terr's, it's about population control. The
terr threat is just an excuse to scare people into saying OK.

Whaddaya mean I'm paranoid?

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