[Newbie]Linux distributions.
Hi all, Have followed this forum for a time. No doubt that video-cards and associated monitors present problems in any X-server used (XFree86, XFreeBSD .). My impression, though, is that a lot of people using RedHat are running into problems. I my self is using Slackware. I have been told that Slackware requires more "knowledge". Isn't that what Linux is about. The user have control. RedHat seems to approach MS-widows OS. That is probably why I am getting so many reports about security holes introduced by RedHat. Other peoples opinion would be interesting to hear. BG. Hans. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]Linux distributions.
Amen. I was using RH, but I got on my nerves always waiting at starrtup for kudzu not-to-find any new hardware. LEt alone the user has very limited possibilities of fine tunning his system. As of know my "big" machine is running Woody like a charm. Zee - Original Message - From: "Hans Borg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: [Newbie]Linux distributions. > Hi all, > > Have followed this forum for a time. > > No doubt that video-cards and associated monitors present problems > in any X-server used (XFree86, XFreeBSD .). > > My impression, though, is that a lot of people using RedHat are running > into problems. I my self is using Slackware. I have been told that Slackware > requires more "knowledge". Isn't that what Linux is about. The user have > control. RedHat seems to approach MS-widows OS. That is probably why > I am getting so many reports about security holes introduced by RedHat. > > Other peoples opinion would be interesting to hear. > > BG. > Hans. > > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > Newbie mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: > http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie > ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]Linux distributions.
On Saturday 30 November 2002 04:30 pm, Hans Borg wrote: > Hi all, > > Have followed this forum for a time. > > No doubt that video-cards and associated monitors present problems > in any X-server used (XFree86, XFreeBSD .). > > My impression, though, is that a lot of people using RedHat are > running into problems. I my self is using Slackware. I have been told > that Slackware requires more "knowledge". Isn't that what Linux is > about. The user have control. RedHat seems to approach MS-widows OS. > That is probably why I am getting so many reports about security > holes introduced by RedHat. I have found Libranet (which is Debian Woody with an install interface) to be very good. No problems with X in that one. I think SuSE is ok. My video in SuSE runs well. However I am curious about the "modprobe: can't locate char-major-226" warning. I thought this was associated with X in some way. ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]Linux distributions.
Hi Zee, Sorry that you run into this Linux problems. Linux is a very versatile system, well above MS-Windows. I can see that a lot of people want X + a WM to behave like a MS-Window. No problem to do so, but why give up the flexibilty with Linux offered. Glad your "Woody" runs. Next time, try to download and insatll "Slackware 8.1". BG Hans. ___ At 22:10 2002-11-30 +0100, Aedificator wrote: >Amen. I was using RH, but I got on my nerves always waiting at starrtup for >kudzu not-to-find any new hardware. LEt alone the user has very limited >possibilities of fine tunning his system. >As of know my "big" machine is running Woody like a charm. > >Zee > >- Original Message - >From: "Hans Borg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 11:30 PM >Subject: [Newbie]Linux distributions. > > >> Hi all, >> >> Have followed this forum for a time. >> >> No doubt that video-cards and associated monitors present problems >> in any X-server used (XFree86, XFreeBSD .). >> >> My impression, though, is that a lot of people using RedHat are running >> into problems. I my self is using Slackware. I have been told that >Slackware >> requires more "knowledge". Isn't that what Linux is about. The user have >> control. RedHat seems to approach MS-widows OS. That is probably why >> I am getting so many reports about security holes introduced by RedHat. >> >> Other peoples opinion would be interesting to hear. >> >> BG. >> Hans. >> >> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ___ >> Newbie mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: >> http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie >> > >___ >Newbie mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >*** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: >http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]Linux distributions.
Hi Jonathan, My be you misunderstood my question about RH. I am perfectly confident with Slackware. Your are right, I have colleges using Debian and SuSe and they all say Debian is good but SuSe is better from security point of view. SuSe has also turned out to contributed a lot to XFree86. modeprobe. == No, this not strictly related to X in any way. It is supposed to find out what "modules" to be inserted into the kernel. It is normaly defined in /lib/modules/... depending on the installation. char-mayor-226 tells it should be a device /dev/... Can not currently find the standard allocation of device mayor allocations. I have it. Just can't locate it just now. BG Hans. At 15:29 2002-11-30 -0600, Jonathan Drews wrote: >On Saturday 30 November 2002 04:30 pm, Hans Borg wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Have followed this forum for a time. >> >> No doubt that video-cards and associated monitors present problems >> in any X-server used (XFree86, XFreeBSD .). >> >> My impression, though, is that a lot of people using RedHat are >> running into problems. I my self is using Slackware. I have been told >> that Slackware requires more "knowledge". Isn't that what Linux is >> about. The user have control. RedHat seems to approach MS-widows OS. >> That is probably why I am getting so many reports about security >> holes introduced by RedHat. > > > I have found Libranet (which is Debian Woody with an install interface) >to be very good. No problems with X in that one. I think SuSE is ok. >My video in SuSE runs well. However I am curious about the "modprobe: >can't locate char-major-226" warning. I thought this was associated >with X in some way. > > >___ >Newbie mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >*** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: >http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]Linux distributions.
On Saturday 30 November 2002 06:47 pm, Hans Borg wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > modeprobe. > == > No, this not strictly related to X in any way. It is supposed to find > out what "modules" to be inserted into the kernel. It is normaly > defined in /lib/modules/... depending on the installation. > char-mayor-226 tells it should be a device /dev/... Can not currently > find the standard allocation of device mayor allocations. I have it. > Just can't locate it just now. > Thanks Hans: I looked in /etc/modules.conf and there is no listing for char-module-226. I thoght it might be related to DRI graphics. I could be wrong. ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]Linux distributions.
Hi Jonathan, We evidently have been talking about different subjects, may be naming stuff as major (I read mayor ) or module. That is Ok. Hope your modprobe works out. And if your system is working, just delete the opposing modprobe stuff. Thanks for answering my RH inquiry. You are of cource welcome for discussions if we can help each other. That was this forum is about. Hear from you. BG Hans. _ At 15:29 2002-11-30 -0600, you wrote: >On Saturday 30 November 2002 04:30 pm, Hans Borg wrote >> Hi all, >> >> Have followed this forum for a time. >> >> No doubt that video-cards and associated monitors present problems >> in any X-server used (XFree86, XFreeBSD .). >> >> My impression, though, is that a lot of people using RedHat are >> running into problems. I my self is using Slackware. I have been told >> that Slackware requires more "knowledge". Isn't that what Linux is >> about. The user have control. RedHat seems to approach MS-widows OS. >> That is probably why I am getting so many reports about security >> holes introduced by RedHat. > > > I have found Libranet (which is Debian Woody with an install interface) >to be very good. No problems with X in that one. I think SuSE is ok. >My video in SuSE runs well. However I am curious about the "modprobe: >can't locate char-major-226" warning. I thought this was associated >with X in some way. > > >___ >Newbie mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >*** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: >http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]Linux distributions.
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Hans Borg wrote: >Hi all, > >Have followed this forum for a time. > >No doubt that video-cards and associated monitors present problems >in any X-server used (XFree86, XFreeBSD .). > >My impression, though, is that a lot of people using RedHat are running >into problems. I my self is using Slackware. I have been told that Slackware >requires more "knowledge". Isn't that what Linux is about. The user have >control. RedHat seems to approach MS-widows OS. That is probably why >I am getting so many reports about security holes introduced by RedHat. > >Other peoples opinion would be interesting to hear. > Slackware is a great distribution. So are all the other distributions. Red Hat has the largest market share so more people are using it. Also Red Hat tends to attract more newbies because it appears a little easier or has that reputation. The newbie@xfree86 list probably isn't the best place to start a distro-flamewar. These are always non-productive, convey no information to anyone and waste electrons. It'd be best if we all concentrated on helping each other sort out problems where we can. Sorry if this post sounds a little rude, but I'm sick of distro-discussions. Let's keep it technical and help each other out instead. (Otherwise the *BSD people will triumph ;-) ) Oisin Feeley ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]Linux distributions.
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Jonathan Drews wrote: > I have found Libranet (which is Debian Woody with an install interface) >to be very good. No problems with X in that one. I think SuSE is ok. >My video in SuSE runs well. However I am curious about the "modprobe: >can't locate char-major-226" warning. I thought this was associated >with X in some way. > Yup, that'd be DRI. Check /usr/src//Documentation/devices.txt : 226 charDirect Rendering Infrastructure (DRI) 0 = /dev/dri/card0First graphics card 1 = /dev/dri/card1Second graphics card ... HTH, Oisin Feeley ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]Linux distributions. (Oisin Feeley)
Hi I am really sorry for the interpretation of my RH comments. It was definitely not sent to flame group nor to degrade RH. The group is for help out, no doubt. I was just puzzled by all RH problems in conjunctions with XF86 and installs sent to this group, and wanted to hear other peoples opinions. That also include securuty holes. Is that wrong ??? I may have phrased my self badly. All my apologizes. Do you Oisin Feeley also accept this ? BR Hans. _ At 16:16 2002-11-30 -0800, you wrote: > >On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Hans Borg wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>Have followed this forum for a time. >> >>No doubt that video-cards and associated monitors present problems >>in any X-server used (XFree86, XFreeBSD .). >> >>My impression, though, is that a lot of people using RedHat are running >>into problems. I my self is using Slackware. I have been told that Slackware >>requires more "knowledge". Isn't that what Linux is about. The user have >>control. RedHat seems to approach MS-widows OS. That is probably why >>I am getting so many reports about security holes introduced by RedHat. >> >>Other peoples opinion would be interesting to hear. >> > >Slackware is a great distribution. So are all the other distributions. >Red Hat has the largest market share so more people are using it. Also >Red Hat tends to attract more newbies because it appears a little easier >or has that reputation. > >The newbie@xfree86 list probably isn't the best place to start a >distro-flamewar. These are always non-productive, convey no information >to anyone and waste electrons. It'd be best if we all concentrated on >helping each other sort out problems where we can. > >Sorry if this post sounds a little rude, but I'm sick of >distro-discussions. Let's keep it technical and help each other out >instead. (Otherwise the *BSD people will triumph ;-) ) > >Oisin Feeley > >___ >Newbie mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >*** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: >http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]Linux distributions. (Oisin Feeley)
Don't be for RedHat is terriable although it is what I use. You see RedHat changes EVERYTHING the XF86 configs Inetd configs EVERYTHING is NON-standard and if I didn't have as much time invested in it I would trash it and use something else. It has it's upsides but I wish they would conform to the linux standards and stop being like Microsux. Joshua L. McDowell http://geocities.com/joshmia2001/ Hans Borg wrote: Hi I am really sorry for the interpretation of my RH comments. It was definitely not sent to flame group nor to degrade RH. The group is for help out, no doubt. I was just puzzled by all RH problems in conjunctions with XF86 and installs sent to this group, and wanted to hear other peoples opinions. That also include securuty holes. Is that wrong ??? I may have phrased my self badly. All my apologizes. Do you Oisin Feeley also accept this ? BR Hans. _ At 16:16 2002-11-30 -0800, you wrote: On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Hans Borg wrote: Hi all, Have followed this forum for a time. No doubt that video-cards and associated monitors present problems in any X-server used (XFree86, XFreeBSD .). My impression, though, is that a lot of people using RedHat are running into problems. I my self is using Slackware. I have been told that Slackware requires more "knowledge". Isn't that what Linux is about. The user have control. RedHat seems to approach MS-widows OS. That is probably why I am getting so many reports about security holes introduced by RedHat. Other peoples opinion would be interesting to hear. Slackware is a great distribution. So are all the other distributions. Red Hat has the largest market share so more people are using it. Also Red Hat tends to attract more newbies because it appears a little easier or has that reputation. The newbie@xfree86 list probably isn't the best place to start a distro-flamewar. These are always non-productive, convey no information to anyone and waste electrons. It'd be best if we all concentrated on helping each other sort out problems where we can. Sorry if this post sounds a little rude, but I'm sick of distro-discussions. Let's keep it technical and help each other out instead. (Otherwise the *BSD people will triumph ;-) ) Oisin Feeley ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]Linux distributions. (Oisin Feeley)
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Hans Borg wrote: >Hi >I am really sorry for the interpretation of my RH comments. >It was definitely not sent to flame group nor to degrade RH. >The group is for help out, no doubt. I was just puzzled by >all RH problems in conjunctions with XF86 and installs sent >to this group, and wanted to hear other peoples opinions. >That also include securuty holes. Is that wrong ??? >I may have phrased my self badly. > >All my apologizes. > >Do you Oisin Feeley also accept this ? > No worries Hans! I just don't think distro-comparison discussions are a good idea. They inevitably degrade into flame wars. As I posted before I think that one sees more RH-newbie posts because of market-share. A lot of more experienced users are comfortable with the other excellent distributions that they got used to before RH became so popular. I don't know of any reliable security-analysis whitepapers that shows that one distro is more/less secure than another. The thing is that once a user installs any distribution they can (mis)configure it as badly as they like or as well as they like. A Lindows box can be locked down securely by an experienced admin and an OpenBSD can be turned into a joke by an inexperienced admin. Best wishes, Oisin Feeley ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
