Re: [Newbie]X Clipboard Xtremely Broken
On 28 Nov 2002, Erik Moeller wrote:
>On Don, 2002-11-28 at 00:42, Oisin C. Feeley wrote:
>
>> You're going to have to specify what you mean by "copying to Mozilla"
>> means. Do you mean pasting into a cgi-bin based form? If so, then
>> that's likely where your problem lies. I can confirm that pasting 13K
>> of text _from_ Mozilla _to_ vim works fine for me. This was using only
>> the standard alphanumeric characters. As soon as quotes and
>> single-quotes were used then the pasting no longer worked. Similarly
>> emdashes.
>
>So we do have the same problem. Any idea what the cause is? I have this
>problem with most applications -- are application programmers just
>stupid, or is X' clipboard broken?
>
Hi Erik,
would you care to answer the question about what you're trying to do? I
initially responded to your message saying that this was something to do
with "emdash" and other characters (such as accented characters common
in non-English languages). I still hold that this is the case. There
is a bug-report open in RH8.0 which so far has been answered with the
suggestions that this is something to do with the i18n and l10n of the
applications. Specifically the suggestion is made by Red Hat to make
sure that both applications are using the same encoding. Here's the bug
reference for Bugzilla if you're interested (I've taken out the email
addresses of the reporters in case they don't want their emails
available): Bugzilla Bug - 75378
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=75378
Description of problem:
If I cut -umount out of a man page with gnome-terminal it comes out as
?^?^?umount in another gnome-terminal window.
How reproducible:
Always
Steps to Reproduce:
1. Open two gnome-terminal windows
2. man sash
3. Search for umount
4. Cut -umount
5. Paste it in the other gnome-terminal window
Actual Results: ?^?^?umount
Expected Results: -umount
Additional info:
Works fine from gnome-terminal to galeon
This also an issue with xterm. The minus signs aren't displayed in
xterm. In fact if you paste a man page minus from gnome-terminal to
xterm. It's not displayed either. Pasting to Eterm results in this
"\x{2212}".
Additional comment by xx on 2002-10-14 21:19:59 The text is copied
in the current locale (which by default is probably UTF-8). If the
application which is running in the second window can't handle data in
the same format, then it's actually a bug in the receiving application
(if it's a terminal emulator, it'll actually be the app running in it).
If you're pasting onto the command line, it'd be useful to know which
shell you're using.
Additional comment by xxx on 2002-10-14 21:31:05 From two different
gnome-terminals both with the same locale and using zsh in both. As a
workaround I am setting my /etc/sysconfig/i18n to 7.3 style aka
pre-utf8.
Additional comment by xx on 2002-10-14 21:57:16 I see it with 2
gnome-terminals started from redhat menu under gnome running bash. It
you alias man='env LANG=C man'. The problem goes away. It's not just
man that is screwed I've got at least 5 apps aliased like this.
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Re: [Newbie]X Clipboard Xtremely Broken
On Don, 2002-11-28 at 00:42, Oisin C. Feeley wrote: > You're going to have to specify what you mean by "copying to Mozilla" > means. Do you mean pasting into a cgi-bin based form? If so, then > that's likely where your problem lies. I can confirm that pasting 13K > of text _from_ Mozilla _to_ vim works fine for me. This was using only > the standard alphanumeric characters. As soon as quotes and > single-quotes were used then the pasting no longer worked. Similarly > emdashes. So we do have the same problem. Any idea what the cause is? I have this problem with most applications -- are application programmers just stupid, or is X' clipboard broken? Regards, Erik -- FOKUS - Fraunhofer Insitute for Open Communication Systems Project BerliOS - http://www.berlios.de ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]X Clipboard Xtremely Broken
On 27 Nov 2002, Erik Moeller wrote: >On Die, 2002-11-26 at 17:29, Oisin C. Feeley wrote: >> On 26 Nov 2002, Erik Moeller wrote: >> >> >Hi, >> > >> >whenever I try to paste large amounts of text (>1 bytes), e.g. from >> >an editor (irrelevant which one I use) to a browser (also doesn't matter >> >which browser I use), I get big problems. It doesn't matter if I use >> >PRIMARY or CLIPBOARD, the pasted text just doesn't arrive. In Mozilla I >> >just get a long delay and nothing happens, in Konqueror even stranger >> >things happen, such as random characters appearing in the paste area. I >> >also get the "random characters" effect in Opera after some testing. The >> >only thing that tends to work well is pasting within the same >> >application. Some applications even lose their clipboard contents when >> >closed. > >> What distribution and version are you using? I know there are strange >> artifacts with Red Hat 8.0 where "emdash" and accented characters like >> the French accent acute will prevent proper cut-n-paste. > >Happens both in Debian Woody and SuSE 7-8.0. Normal clipboard operations >work, just large text causes lots of problems. I would be very surprised >if the same operations that don't work on my system (e.g. copying 1 >bytes from gvim to Mozilla) work on yours. You're going to have to specify what you mean by "copying to Mozilla" means. Do you mean pasting into a cgi-bin based form? If so, then that's likely where your problem lies. I can confirm that pasting 13K of text _from_ Mozilla _to_ vim works fine for me. This was using only the standard alphanumeric characters. As soon as quotes and single-quotes were used then the pasting no longer worked. Similarly emdashes. Oisin Feeley ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]X Clipboard Xtremely Broken
On Die, 2002-11-26 at 17:29, Oisin C. Feeley wrote: > On 26 Nov 2002, Erik Moeller wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >whenever I try to paste large amounts of text (>1 bytes), e.g. from > >an editor (irrelevant which one I use) to a browser (also doesn't matter > >which browser I use), I get big problems. It doesn't matter if I use > >PRIMARY or CLIPBOARD, the pasted text just doesn't arrive. In Mozilla I > >just get a long delay and nothing happens, in Konqueror even stranger > >things happen, such as random characters appearing in the paste area. I > >also get the "random characters" effect in Opera after some testing. The > >only thing that tends to work well is pasting within the same > >application. Some applications even lose their clipboard contents when > >closed. > What distribution and version are you using? I know there are strange > artifacts with Red Hat 8.0 where "emdash" and accented characters like > the French accent acute will prevent proper cut-n-paste. Happens both in Debian Woody and SuSE 7-8.0. Normal clipboard operations work, just large text causes lots of problems. I would be very surprised if the same operations that don't work on my system (e.g. copying 1 bytes from gvim to Mozilla) work on yours. Regards, Erik -- FOKUS - Fraunhofer Insitute for Open Communication Systems Project BerliOS - http://www.berlios.de ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
Re: [Newbie]X Clipboard Xtremely Broken
On 26 Nov 2002, Erik Moeller wrote: >Hi, > >whenever I try to paste large amounts of text (>1 bytes), e.g. from >an editor (irrelevant which one I use) to a browser (also doesn't matter >which browser I use), I get big problems. It doesn't matter if I use >PRIMARY or CLIPBOARD, the pasted text just doesn't arrive. In Mozilla I >just get a long delay and nothing happens, in Konqueror even stranger >things happen, such as random characters appearing in the paste area. I >also get the "random characters" effect in Opera after some testing. The >only thing that tends to work well is pasting within the same >application. Some applications even lose their clipboard contents when >closed. What distribution and version are you using? I know there are strange artifacts with Red Hat 8.0 where "emdash" and accented characters like the French accent acute will prevent proper cut-n-paste. Oisin Feeley ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
[Newbie]X Clipboard Xtremely Broken
Hi, whenever I try to paste large amounts of text (>1 bytes), e.g. from an editor (irrelevant which one I use) to a browser (also doesn't matter which browser I use), I get big problems. It doesn't matter if I use PRIMARY or CLIPBOARD, the pasted text just doesn't arrive. In Mozilla I just get a long delay and nothing happens, in Konqueror even stranger things happen, such as random characters appearing in the paste area. I also get the "random characters" effect in Opera after some testing. The only thing that tends to work well is pasting within the same application. Some applications even lose their clipboard contents when closed. Are these apps all broken, or are there more fundamental bugs/design flaws in the X clipboard mechanism? Is there anything I can do to make this work as it should? (Note: I tested this behavior on different machines with different Linux distributions and different X server versions.) Regards, Erik -- FOKUS - Fraunhofer Insitute for Open Communication Systems Project BerliOS - http://www.berlios.de ___ Newbie mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie
