Re: Creating outgoing batch files
Hi Egil,
EK> The handling of missing outgoing batch files in newsx is quite simple:
EK> Complain and die.
EK>
EK> In addition, the newsx documentation is pretty thin in this area. It might
EK> be viewed as a newsserver problem, but since this will effect anyone
EK> setting up newsx for the first time, I really think something should be
EK> done about it.
EK>
EK> Some ideas are:
EK>
EK> 1. Newsx could detect the error, issue a message, but still go on
EK> fetching incoming news.
EK>
EK> 2. Newsx could automatically create an empty outgoing file. (Which
EK> is a bit touchy since this file really belongs to INN. And INN
EK> would need a "ctlinnd reload newsfeeds" to pick it up, wouldn't
EK> it?)
EK>
EK> 3. There could be a simple script that checks and sets up a new newsfeeds
EK> entry and an outgoing spool entry for you.
EK>
EK> A combination of 1 and 3 might perhaps not be so bad?
EK>
EK> Any ideas and comments?
Hm, I don't think it's that complicated.
1. As far as I can see, a newsfeeds entry has to be made, anyway.
2. If you make a newsfeeds entry, you have to ctlinnd reload newsfeeds (or
restart innd).
3. As soon as you ctlinnd newsfeeds (or restart innd), it will create the
appropriate outgoing file *by itself automatically*.
So there's really no need for newsx to do that or to modify its behaviour; if
anything, documentation should be more elaborate about this point.
I think the whole thing is more important concerning the incoming file that
only newsx needs, and that INN doesn't even know about. So far newsx complains
about it missing when it's started the first time. No problem actually, but
confusing for the newcomer. PersonalINN prevents this by generating an empty
incoming file automatically during configuration; maybe newsx should do
something similar (although there's nothing as a "configuration" function in
newsx, hmmm...)?
Bye
Uli
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Re: two questions..
Hi Torben, TDJ> We get about 1 Mb per hour of these messages: TDJ> TDJ> Apr 22 04:54:57 akela rnews[16188]: offered TDJ> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dk TDJ> Apr 22 04:54:57 akela rnews[16188]: rejected 437 Too old -- "Fri, 22 Jan TDJ> 1999 11:20:38 GMT" TDJ> TDJ> I assume the remote news server offers us the old articles. TDJ> But: TDJ> - what can we do not to drown in log lines TDJ> (avoid downloading the old messages) TDJ> - why are they considered old ? What config file says so ? Assuming you use INN 2.x, the file is inn.conf, the artcutoff parameter (see man inn.conf). Set it to 0 and your problem will be solved. Bye Uli _________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW:- D-60489 Frankfurt Fon:+49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax:+49 (69) 9784 0042 _ --- This message has been sent to you because you are subcribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To remove yourself from this lists, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing "unsubscribe newsx " in the message body.
Re: Version 1.4pre2
Hi Egil,
EK> > > There is now a special exclusion "newsx" that simply causes newsx to
EK> > > add "newsx" to incoming paths as required.
UZ> > Is there any condition for this feature to become active?
EK> Yes, you must set the exclusion term in newsfeeds to "newsx" (like the
EK> example in README). This is required for INN to know about the "newsx"
EK> path thing.
EK>
EK> Otherwise, it does like it always have done. There might be
EK> configurations where you don't want the path changed.
I see. Again, a very good idea! :-)
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Re: Version 1.4pre2
Hi, EK> There is now a special exclusion "newsx" that simply causes newsx to add EK> "newsx" to incoming paths as required. Instead of having to figure out EK> what the specific exclusion tag for each server is, simply set it to EK> "newsx". Is there any condition for this feature to become active? So far, the Path: header lines of my incoming articles look unchanged. Bye Uli _________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW:- D-60489 Frankfurt Fon:+49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax:+49 (69) 9784 0042 _ --- This message has been sent to you because you are subcribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To remove yourself from this lists, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing "unsubscribe newsx " in the message body.
Re: Version 1.4pre2
Hi Egil, EK> There is now a special exclusion "newsx" that simply causes newsx to add EK> "newsx" to incoming paths as required. This is *really* a good idea! :-) I wonder why I didn't have this idea before. Would have saved me several hundred lines of code in PersonalINN (which tried to figure out the path name automatically)... :-/ Bye Uli _____ Uli Zappe E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW:- D-60489 Frankfurt Fon:+49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax:+49 (69) 9784 0042 _ --- This message has been sent to you because you are subcribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To remove yourself from this lists, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing "unsubscribe newsx " in the message body.
free disk space check (was: Re: 441 Can't set system "X-Trace"header")
Egil Kvaleberg wrote:
UZ> > Do free disc space check
EK> This is a pain in the neck re. portability, but all right.
Hm, I don't know about CNews, but INN 2.2 has its own inndf utility for this
purpose which should make it fairly easy, as far as I understand.
The easiest thing would probably be to just call inndf, but that wouldn't
help those who don't have this utility installed.
The other solution should be to integrate the inndf source code into NewsX.
Apparently, inndf adapts well to the different OS's.
EK> It is also not entirely obvious what should be checked. The disk where
EK> /var/spool/news/in.coming resides is an obvious choice. But what about
EK> logs? Rnews?
In small news installations which typically use NewsX, it's probably all the
same disk anyway, so I think watching the disk where the spool directory is
located will already be a good solution for most cases, and certainly better
than nothing. But if you want it perfect, hmmm
What could happen that there's still enough spool space, but another space is
missing? It could happen if newsx doesn't pipe news directly into rnews but
stores a batchfile on a disk which is not the spool disk. In this case, this
disk had to be checked, too.
Other than that, I can't see a problem. If newsx pipes news to rnews
directly, and innd throttles because of too little spool space, rnews would
store a batchfile somewhere. But as long as it is assured that newsx stops
itself because of too little spool space in this moment, it will never
actually come to that, and there's no problem.
I don't think logfiles are a problem. Not even INN is checking them. Or did
you think of history files etc.? This is the innwatchlibspace parameter in
INN.
So I think the important spaces to watch are:
1. (only in case newsx doesn't pipe into rnews): the batchspace
2. the spool space (INN 2.2 in inn.conf: innwatchspoolspace)
3. the lib space (INN 2.2 in inn.conf: innwatchlibspace)
2 & 3 with a trigger level identical to or better (for safety) slightly
beneath INN's values; ideally, in the case of INN >= 2.2, INN's values just
taken from the inn.conf file. (I don't know CNews, so I can't say anything to
that)
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Re: 441 Can't set system "X-Trace" header"
On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Egil Kvaleberg wrote: EK> On a general note: Should newsx by default strip X-Trace and EK> X-Complaints-To, just as it now strips NNTP-Posting-Host? Yes, I think that would be a good idea. Another thing from your TODO list I'd very much appreciate for the next version: Do free disc space check Bye Uli _____ Uli Zappe E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW:- D-60489 Frankfurt Fon:+49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax:+49 (69) 9784 0042 _ --- This message has been sent to you because you are subcribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To remove yourself from this lists, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing "unsubscribe newsx " in the message body.
Read Receipt trouble
Hi all, sorry to you all that you've been bothered by the "Read Receipt" mails. A lot of you have emailed me. Of course I noticed the problem, and of course I didn't do it intentionally - *sigh*. It's just that at this time I couldn't do anything against it. Just to explain what happened to those of you who don't know NEXTSTEP: by default, the NEXTSTEP mail application sends such a Read Receipt when it receives a mail from another NEXTSTEP mail application. The *sender* of a mail can turn off this feature, and this is what I, being in a stress situation, simply forgot when I wrote a mail to the list. Every *reader* of such a mail who uses NEXTSTEP has *no* way (well, no way without hacking the system) to prevent the Read Receipt from being sent back to the list. So, since some people on this list use NEXTSTEP (and certainly I do, and I received my mail, too, of course), it was inevitable these Read Receipts were produced once I sent said mail. Bye Uli _____ Uli Zappe E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW:- D-60489 Frankfurt Fon:+49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax:+49 (69) 9784 0042 _ --- This message has been sent to you because you are subcribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To remove yourself from this lists, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing "unsubscribe newsx " in the message body.
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Re: New at newsx
Hi Egil, UZ> >PersonalINN 2.2 has a UZ> >graphical frontend which allows you to browse all available newsgroups UZ> >while choosing those you want to fetch with newsx by a mouseclick in the UZ> >browser window. EK> EK> Would it be feasible to port PersonalINN to platforms other than Next? Since the graphical frontend for PersonalINN is written to the NEXTSTEP API (and porting it to another API would effectively be rewriting it), for Linux etc. this depends solely on the progress of GNUstep. Once GNUstep is ready for prime time, PersonalINN can and will be ported. Of course, it could be ported to Mac OS X. It's just that given what Apple has done to NEXTSTEP while "converting" it to Mac OS X, I'm not sure I want to do that. Bye Uli _________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW:- D-60489 Frankfurt Fon:+49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax:+49 (69) 9784 0042 _ --- This message has been sent to you because you are subcribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To remove yourself from this lists, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing "unsubscribe newsx " in the message body.
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Re: New at newsx
Hi Gerben, GW> 2. Is anyone using newsx on NEXTSTEP or OPENSTEP succesfully? Yes, I do. It works without any problems at all, right out of the box. In fact, since I'll use it for the new version of PersonalINN, I've reported the very few problems that existed to Erik who solved all of them very fast :-) GW> I have GW> noticed that configure uses -posix, which for NEXTSTEP is a very bad idea GW> since posix is seriously broken under NEXTSTEP (e.g. if you append to a GW> file, only null bytes will be written). Posix was so broken that it was GW> removed from NEXTSTEP when the succesor OPENSTEP was released (hence: the GW> current configure won't work under OPENSTEP). So, does it actually work GW> under NEXTSTEP or is the instructions in configure just 'theoretical'? Actually, -posix was only introduced in one of the latest versions, to get rid of a lot of ifdefs, I think. It wasn't my suggestion (I think another NEXTSTEP user suggested it), and I was sceptical, too, but it turned out to be no problem at all. It worked well before and afterwards. GW> 1. It seems newsx uses the local active file to decide what to download. Is GW> there a way around this? I would like a full active file locally, I just GW> want to fill different groups at different times (as you can do with suck GW> and slurp). Maybe it is of interest for you that the new version of PersonalINN will go beta as soon as INN 2.2 and newsx 1.3 are released. PersonalINN 2.2 has a graphical frontend which allows you to browse all available newsgroups while choosing those you want to fetch with newsx by a mouseclick in the browser window. Bye Uli _________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW:- D-60489 Frankfurt Fon:+49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax:+49 (69) 9784 0042 _ --- This message has been sent to you because you are subcribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To remove yourself from this lists, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing "unsubscribe newsx " in the message body.
Re: Path to catastrophy
Egil, EK> The intention was to abort all news fetching from a given host, with a EK> suitable error message, if it is discovered that the "Path" headers from EK> that host does not contain the host name (with alternatives) specified in EK> the configuration. Oh, I see. I didn't quite get that you already check the incoming news. EK> It may seem drastic, but so far I can't see it should do any harm. Actually, I think it's a *very* good idea. NewsX 1.2? Bye Uli _________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW:- D-60489 Frankfurt Fon:+49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax:+49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine _ --- This message has been sent to you because you are subcribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To remove yourself from this lists, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing "unsubscribe newsx " in the message body.
Re: Path to catastrophy
Egil wrote: EK> The point is to do the exactly same thing as INN does when it is deciding EK> whether to spool the news backwards to where it in fact came from, or not. Hm, but if NewsX simply duplicates INN's behaviour, it can't cure any problem due to misconfiguration of INN, can it? (I suppose that said misconfiguration of the user was that he *didn't* correctly enter the hostname of his provider's news server into newsfeeds, and that INN *therefore* sent back all articles.) Bye Uli _________ Uli Zappe E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NeXTMail,Mime,ASCII) PGP on request Lorscher Strasse 5 WWW:- D-60489 Frankfurt Fon:+49 (69) 9784 0007 Germany Fax:+49 (69) 9784 0042 staff member of NEXTTOYOU - the German NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP magazine _ --- This message has been sent to you because you are subcribed to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To remove yourself from this lists, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing "unsubscribe newsx " in the message body.
