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karax, redraw a textarea

[pegra4]

Servus,

I declared a textarea ( id = kstring("textareaPlain") ), keeping the current 
'value' in the variable 'textareaPlainContent'.

After changing the content of the textarea (not by user interaction), I'd like 
to see the new content immediately in the textarea.


let
  taNode = getVNodeById( kstring("textareaPlainContent") )

textareaPlainContent = kstring("A new content")

taNode.value = textareaPlainContent

# How to redraw or refresh the textarea here?


Run

**How to redraw or refresh the textarea?**

The textarea is defined like this:


textarea(id = kstring("textareaPlain"), style = { fontSize: cstring("120%") 
},
  rows = kstring("18"), cols = kstring("50"),
  value = textareaPlainContent
  onblur = textareaPlainMayBeChanged


Run

Servus Peter

Which IDE to use in 2024?

[UxDnz0]

If you find Copilot an insult to product integration like myself, I reccomend 
using Cursor.

All your vscode extensions work, you can use any model you want for an 
assistant, and it actually patches code instead of just trying to autocomplete 
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Where does the complexity of quote from the manual comes from

[pietroppeter]

> "Complexity" seems to be a lot like "energy": you can transfer it from the 
> end-user to one/some of the other players, but the total amount seems to 
> remain pretty much constant for a given task. -- Ran

I really like it but I have no idea where it comes from, who is Ran and what’s 
the backstory there (if any).

Did a quick attempt at googling but failed to get answers. Does someone knows 
more about it? Thanks!

karax, redraw a textarea

[planetis]

I don't remember the details, it's been a while I did webdev, but I think you 
need to use setInputText/getInputText instead. Or call `redraw()`

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Which IDE to use in 2024?

[AmjadBHD]

Sublime Text + 
[LSP-nimlangserver](https://packagecontrol.io/packages/LSP-nimlangserver).

Where does the complexity of quote from the manual comes from

[cblake]

ChatGPT sez:

The quote "Complexity seems to be a lot like energy: you can transfer it from 
the end-user to one/some of the other players, but the total amount seems to 
remain pretty much constant for a given task." is attributed to Richard P. 
Gabriel, a well-known computer scientist and writer. Richard Gabriel is 
recognized for his work in software engineering and his writings on 
programming, software design, and the philosophy of software development.

This particular quote encapsulates a key idea in software design and system 
architecture: the inherent complexity of a task does not disappear but can be 
shifted between different components or stakeholders within a system. The 
insight is that while the burden of complexity can be moved around, the overall 
complexity involved in accomplishing the task remains essentially unchanged.

Gabriel has written extensively on these topics, often exploring the balance 
between simplicity and complexity in programming and design, and the impact 
these have on developers and users.

* * *

Gabriel wrote many of his more seminal pieces in the 1980s. There is a famous 
Kurosawa film from 1985 called "Ran": 
 \- not sure if there is any relation 
to some video game which may have been inspired by both.

Where does the complexity of quote from the manual comes from

[Yardanico]

Here you go, the author's actual name is Ran Talbott, email is r...@netgate.net 
(it was 24 years ago at least)

Where does the complexity of quote from the manual comes from

[Yardanico]

Yeah, it's all good, it's a bit sad that LLMs are fundamentally limited like 
this, they confuse a lot of people by making up info.

Where does the complexity of quote from the manual comes from

[cblake]

Outstanding sleuthing, @Yardanico! (The ideas seem to have been definitely 
floating around from the 1960s with Herb Simon and systems complexity theory 
and later in the 80s with Fred Brooks and Richard Gabriel and others and of 
course many of us like physics metaphors because Physics is "imitation catnip" 
for various reasons.)

(Yeah. Maybe ChatBots aren't good for quote research. Further interaction 
revealed it was mostly making it all up and I was going to update but you beat 
me too it, you spritely fellow!)

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karax, redraw a textarea

[pegra4]

let
  taNode = getVNodeById( kstring("textareaPlainContent") )

textareaPlainContent = kstring("A new content")

taNode.value = textareaPlainContent

?How to redraw or refresh the textarea here?

taNode.setInputText(textareaPlainContent) # doesn't work

markDirty( VComponent(taNode) ) # doesn't work

redraw() # doesn't work 

Which IDE to use in 2024?

[Clonk]

Sublime text or VSCode works well out of the box.

Neovim requires a little more setup but can also be really good if you enjoy 
vim. 

karax, redraw a textarea

[planetis]

Oh it's a VComponent, I didn't know. Haven't used them at all. Maybe ask in 
#webdev or open a bug report.

karax, redraw a textarea

[geotre]

If you are accessing the node directly, `setInputText` should work fine. Here's 
a working example:


include pkg/karax/prelude


proc drawApp: VNode =
  buildHtml(tdiv):
textarea(id="textareaPlainContent")

setRenderer drawApp

##

import std/dom

var i = 0

proc callback =
  getVNodeById("textareaPlainContent").setInputText("hello world " & 
cstring $i)
  inc i

discard setInterval(callback, 1000)


Run

If you can post a minimal one-file reproduction of your issue it would help to 
see if there is another cause

Pixie and NiGui

[chrisecker]

Hi guys,

I am used to write my own GUI-widgets in python with wx. Now I want to do the 
same with nim. I would like to do the drawing with pixie and the windowing with 
NiGui.

How can this be done? How can I paint a pixie-image in a NiGui window?

For the case this is a stupid question: Apologies I am just beginning to 
explore nim.

Thanks

Where does the complexity of quote from the manual comes from

[ElegantBeef]

The LLM cynic in me feels the need to post this.

You really think an LLM would do that? Just Go on the internet and tell lies?

Sum types, 2024 variant

[Chronos]

Personally this syntax looks the best while also making a distinction between 
sum types and typical enums, _however_ , when it comes to pattern matching, I 
believe a separate `match` keyword would look nicer.


# Assuming `some` is implemented with sum types in this example

let strOpt = some("Foo")
let strTupleOpt = some(("Bar", "Baz"))

match strOpt
  of Some as foo:
echo foo
  
  of None:
discard

match strTupleOpt
  of Some as (bar, baz):
echo bar, ", ", baz
  
  of None:
discard


Run

Where does the complexity of quote from the manual comes from

[pietroppeter]

Thanks Yard! That’s really excellent detective work. I just skimmed through 
that old thread and it is definitely a gem (there is even Matz from Ruby 
popping in at one point). And Ran Talbott seem to have written books on 
Commodore and Vic-20…

Where does the complexity of quote from the manual comes from

[pietroppeter]

To give a bit more context to my question in case someone is interested, I was 
attending this interesting talk 
 (slides here: 
) and an amusing reference the speaker 
gave is about the complexity clock: 


Oddly enough that last blogpost somehow finds DSLs as a later step of 
degradation of software but reading more actually one of the reason they 
struggle with DSLs is that they are tough to debug, not checked… almost like 
DSLs could benefit from a language particularly apt at generating them :)

Upcoming "Nim for Pythonistas" talk at PyCon Italy

[pietroppeter]

For those curious you can already access the talk in the full stream of the day 
 (Starts at 
4:43:57, did not find a way to add timestamp from mobile).

Slides are here: