Re: [Nix-dev] 'nixos-stable' channel? (was: Re: NixOS 17.03 Beta, 16.09 Security Support Timeline)

[Nathan Bijnens]

I think that's dangerous. You will be upgrading without being aware of any
breaking changes.

N.

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017, 17:15 Sander  wrote:

> Graham Christensen wrote (ao):
> > NixOS 17.03 has entered Beta. This means we now have 3 versions of NixOS
> > being developed:
> >
> >  - 16.09 (stable)
> >  - 17.03 (beta)
> >  - unstable
>
> Would it make sense to have a 'nixos-stable' channel that points to
> whatever channel is stable?
>
> Sander
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Re: [Nix-dev] Fosdem

[Nathan Bijnens]

I will be there on Saturday, mostly at the Big Data track.

N.

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 21:33 Louis Taylor <lo...@kragniz.eu> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Nathan Bijnens <nat...@nathan.gs> wrote:
> > Anyone going to Fosdem?
>
> February just isn't right without a trip to Brussels!
>
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[Nix-dev] Fosdem

[Nathan Bijnens]

Anyone going to Fosdem?

N.
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Re: [Nix-dev] Arch is dropping i686. Should we?

[Nathan Bijnens]

It would be a pity if we didn't support i686 anymore.

I use NixOS on a NAS, which only supports i686.

This question has been asked before (about 6 months ago).

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017, 15:02 Benno Fünfstück 
wrote:

> There's still a few packages in nixpkgs that require i686, like Skype,
> even on x86_64.
>
> Benno
>
> Graham Christensen  schrieb am Do., 26. Jan. 2017,
> 14:37:
>
>
> As far as I know, Nix has no way to gather statistics on how many people
> are using different architectures. This makes questions like this a bit
> awkward.
>
> One person on IRC said they think they may have used it once. Does
> anyone on this list use NixOS on i686? anyone on this list know anyone
> using NixOS on i686?
>
> Graham
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Re: [Nix-dev] Usability: Nixpkg > NixOS

[Nathan Bijnens]

Although I agree with having multiple entry points, I would keep only One
domain. SEO is important these days...

N.

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016, 18:44 zimbatm  wrote:

> I'm impressed at the community response on my borderly trollish email :)
>
> It doesn't look like we can agree on an entry point to the ecosystem as
> everyone here has different opinions. On the other hand, presenting all the
> options upfront is also intimidating to the newcomer.
>
> So maybe the solution is to have multiple landing pages, each catering to
> another subset of the users. Either with multiple domains or by re-thinking
> the current NixOS.org page so it forwards people correctly.
>
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2016, 09:18 Profpatsch,  wrote:
>
> On 16-12-15 11:48pm, Judson Lester wrote:
> > First, how derivations become software. I *think* nix-env (or nix-shell,
> or
> > nix-repl) takes the derivation, finds the build script, establishes
> > environment variables and runs the script, but I don't know that I've
> ever
> > seen that in print anywhere.
>
> nix-store --realise
>
> > More nuanced, I've never quite been sure where
> > the appropriate dividing line is between derivation and build script
>
> The whole definition is in the nix manual in the derivation section.
> For specific details you would probably need to read the nix source.
>
> > Second, how do builds get linked into the system? I've seen it happen,
> and
> > again I have suspicions that it has to do with the outputs attribute of
> the
> > derivation, but I remain in the spooky darkness about particulars.
>
> System profiles are just a derivation that is basically a link farm.
> In their /bin they have a bash script that performs the actual switch.
> It basically bootstraps itself.
>
>
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Re: [Nix-dev] Nixos vps

[Nathan Bijnens]

I have used Vultr, but you first need to create an image, see:
https://www.vultr.com/docs/install-nixos-on-vultr

You can also use NixOS on Azure and Amazon AWS, ideally using NixOps...

Best regards,
  Nathan


On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 9:37 AM Azul  wrote:

Hey there,

I use a set of really cheap OVH vps for a number of clustered apps (consul,
zookeeper and other stuff), however since OVH do not provide a nixos KVM
image I have deployed those on other OSs.
Now I would like to move those apps to nixos and just have one single set
of code to maintain, for that I just need some cheap vps provider providing
nixos instances.

What is out there that you have used ?
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[Nix-commits] [NixOS/nixpkgs] c1af3a: Fix #19382 set ownership of /var/empty to root:roo...

[Nathan Bijnens]

  Branch: refs/heads/release-16.09
  Home:   https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs
  Commit: c1af3a04a12abf94c9ae0921c2e0d5c478224e44
  
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/c1af3a04a12abf94c9ae0921c2e0d5c478224e44
  Author: Nathan Bijnens <nat...@nathan.gs>
  Date:   2016-10-09 (Sun, 09 Oct 2016)

  Changed paths:
M nixos/modules/system/activation/activation-script.nix

  Log Message:
  ---
  Fix #19382 set ownership of /var/empty to root:root
(cherry picked from commit 4ed85933db8b056b72214fb38e2095e1414e1c49)

Signed-off-by: Domen Kožar <do...@dev.si>


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[Nix-dev] GitHub Octoverse 2016: nixpkgs #6 in Repositories with the most users reviewing code

[Nathan Bijnens]

https://octoverse.github.com/

As a community we can be very prood. Congratulations to the whole
community, especially to some of the most active members.

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Re: [Nix-dev] Why nginx config isn't placed into /etc/nginx/nginx.conf?

[Nathan Bijnens]

And one extra reason is that this way we can keep previous versions
(generations) of the config file, allowing quick rollbacks.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:34 PM Robin Gloster  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Adding to Eelco's explanation, this would also theoretically allow you to
> start e.g.
> different nginx servers on different versions with different
> configurations. For
> the most or probably all services more changes would be needed to support
> this
> realistically.
>
> Robin
>
>
> -Original message-
> > From:Eelco Dolstra 
> > Sent: Tuesday 9th August 2016 11:38
> > To: nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl
> > Subject: Re: [Nix-dev] Why nginx config isn't placed into
> /etc/nginx/nginx.conf?
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 08/09/2016 01:29 PM, Daniel Hlynskyi wrote:
> >
> > > Is this intentional? I'm writing a service and want to know whether to
> do like
> > > nginx or use /etc for configs.
> >
> > Generally, files should not be placed in /etc unless they are global
> > configuration, like /etc/resolv.conf. This way, implicit dependencies are
> > avoided. Service-specific configuration files like nginx.conf don't need
> to be
> > in /etc because they usually can be passed to the service via a command
> line
> > switch from the generated systemd unit.
> >
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Re: [Nix-dev] Users of 32-bit NixOS channels?

[Nathan Bijnens]

I also still use 32bit on my NAS. Because of an older Atom cpu I cannot switch 
to 64bit.

N.

From: Ambrus Kaposi
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 12:23 AM
To: Shea Levy
Cc: nix-dev
Subject: Re: [Nix-dev] Users of 32-bit NixOS channels?

Hi,

I'm using it on my main computer. BTW I'm wondering why there is no
chromium binary these days?

Many thanks,
Ambrus


On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:08 AM,   wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Periodically I like to check to see how many people are still running 32-bit
> NixOS systems from the channel. If it ever happens that no one responds, we
> can stop building it in hydra and significantly lighten the build load.
> Maybe in 20 years or so ;)
>
> So, please respond if you're running a NixOS with a 32-bit kernel with
> hydra-provided binaries!
>
> ~Shea
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixCon schdule and talks announced!

[Nathan Bijnens]

Very cool.

Ps. The site gives a certifcate error, because it uses the Github cert.

Something like cloudflare could be used to offer a kind of SSL.

N.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:35 PM Matthias Beyer 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 07-10-2015 12:28:58, Rok Garbas wrote:
> > I'm back with few updates for conference.
>
> Yaaay!
>
> > 1. Schedule for the conference was announced and you can see it on the
> website.
> >This includes talks which are also listed in the schedule.
>
> Yaaay!
>
> > 2. Sponsorship reached the point where we are able to afford Video
> recording.
> >This means that talks will be recorded and posted online after the
> >conference.
>
> Yaaay!
>
> > There will be no streaming.
>
> Will be there so ... np!
>
> > 3. NixOS T-Shirts and stickers will be printed for all the participants.
> If
> >somebody want to help please contact me (Rok).
>
> Yay!
>
> > Thank you and see you in Berlin.
>
> Can't wait to see you guys in Berlin! I'm so excited right now!
>
> --
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> Kind regards,
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Re: [Nix-dev] Logo improvement ideas

[Nathan Bijnens]

There is an open alternative for Myriad: Vegur.

N.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015, 4:11 AM Tim Cuthbertson  wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Daniel Peebles 
> wrote:
> > Does anyone feel like the S in the NixOS typeface in the new logos is too
> > narrow? I love the new graphical logo proposals, but the typeface
> bothers me
> > a little.
>
> Ahh yes, I meant to mention that - I don't really care about the
> typeface much (well I care, but the existing one looks fine to me).
> But I don't have it installed. According to the current logo svg, it's
> "Myriad Web", which comes with various Adobe products (Photoshop,
> Illustrator, etc). Since I'm using Linux/Inkscape, I don't have access
> to it, and haven't seen any legal way of getting / using it outside of
> purchasing Adobe CS. It apparently comes with acrobat reader, but that
> license does _not_ cover use outside of reader. Or so I read on the
> internet somewhere ;)
>
> So it may be legally OK for someone who has bought Adobe CS to render
> out the logo with the "Myriad Pro" font. But I can't do it, and being
> an open-source project, it's probably a better idea to opt for a more
> openly available font.
>
> So, yeah.. I don't have any motivation to change the font for
> aesthetic reasons, only for practical reasons.
>
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Tim Cuthbertson 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've now updated this form with the remaining options, so I think it
> >> is nearly ready to go.
> >>
> >> I'll let it stew for a few days in case anyone has suggestions for
> >> improvement before we start collecting results, but does anyone know
> >> who we'd talk to to get a link somewhere official (twitter / planet /
> >> etc)?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Oliver Charles 
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 1:35 PM Tim Cuthbertson 
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If nobody authoritative wants to set up a poll, I can certainly do
> one
> >> >> :)
> >> >> I'm a little bit busy at the moment, but as long as we're not in a
> >> >> hurry...
> >> >>
> >> >> To prevent overwhelming people with options, and after letting these
> >> >> stew for a little while, I'd be happy to limit choices to:
> >> >>
> >> >> * shapes: just circle and hex. I think circle is strictly better than
> >> >> "straight", and I think "slant" is too disorganised / unclean to be a
> >> >> winner.
> >> >>
> >> >> * colours: "feature" and "half". The plain versions are probably too
> >> >> boring to bother with.
> >> >>
> >> >> So that only leaves 4 proposals, across those two axis. I can include
> >> >> more if people think it's worth it, but I don't want to overwhelm.
> >> >>
> >> >> I've made a start here:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1oMKuPCIz5bmUokrN6mllYpIDH7cmVQTzuZAcUdGH1HM/viewform
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Looks like a step in the right direction! I can't think of anything
> else
> >> > I'd
> >> > add.
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Re: [Nix-dev] How do I get the system crontab to work?

[Nathan Bijnens]

Not directly helping you with cron, but any reason why you are using cron
instead of systemd timers? The functionality is the same, but output is
logged to journald, status is kept and accessible using systemctl.
Just add a startAt definition to your systemd service.

N.

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 10:23 PM Jeffrey David Johnson jef...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I see here that there are upstream issues with cron as far as setting user
 crontab entries:

 http://lists.science.uu.nl/pipermail/nix-dev/2014-September/014120.html

 But I'm having trouble setting the system ones as well. I think if they
 didn't work
 at all a lot of other things would fail, so I must be setting something
 wrong. This
 simple test doesn't put any files in /tmp or send any emails:

 services.cron = {
   enable = true;
   mailto = jef...@gmail.com;
   systemCronJobs = [
 * * * * *  test ls -l /  /tmp/cronout 21
 * * * * *
 /nix/store/wc472nw0kyw0iwgl6352ii5czxd97js2-coreutils-8.23/bin/test
 /nix/store/wc472nw0kyw0iwgl6352ii5czxd97js2-coreutils-8.23/bin/ls -l / 
 /tmp/cronout 21
   ];
 };

 I've checked that it does get written to /etc/crontab:

 SHELL=/nix/store/xlxjcjq3bnbwnzq82irlzwxhmx6fvc2w-bash-4.3-p33/bin/bash

 PATH=/nix/store/fpqvi360cimx3h1kxdxfvkyip52d1i8y-system-path/bin:/nix/store/fpqvi360cimx3h1kxdxfvkyip52d1i8y-system-path/sbin
 MAILTO=jef...@gmail.com

 NIX_CONF_DIR=/etc/nix
 * * * * * test ls -l /  /tmp/cronout 21
 * * * * *
 /nix/store/wc472nw0kyw0iwgl6352ii5czxd97js2-coreutils-8.23/bin/test
 /nix/store/wc472nw0kyw0iwgl6352ii5czxd97js2-coreutils-8.23/bin/ls -l / 
 /tmp/cronout 21

 And that the test and ls binaries are on that PATH. Anything else I should
 try?
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Foundation

[Nathan Bijnens]

The Apache Foundation currently has no OS, with software ranging from
loggers to webservers to lots of Big Data. The advantage of becoming part
of an existing foundation is that it's much easier for companies to work
with, both in terms of donating time as money, as well as it's name
recognition.

N.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 4:19 PM Joachim Schiele j...@lastlog.de wrote:

 has it's own foundation:
 - krita
 - blender

 why shouldn't we? also what apache does is not our focus i guess.

 On 10.07.2015 16:05, Nathan Bijnens wrote:
  Just curious, was it ever considered to join an existing Foundation,
  like the Apache Software Foundation?
 
  Anyway congratulations to the NixOS Foundation!
 
  N.
 
  On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 4:02 PM Joachim Schiele j...@lastlog.de
  mailto:j...@lastlog.de wrote:
 
  hey,
 
  this is good news and very much appreciated. i've been thinking
 about a
  nixos foundation a lot lately.
 
  thanks for creating it!
 
  best wishes,
  joachim
 
  On 08.07.2015 11:22, Rob Vermaas wrote:
   Hi,
  
   Last month, the NixOS Foundation came to life. The foundation was
   started to support the NixOS related projects and its
 infrastructure,
   and improve continuity for this.
  
   One of the main reasons we needed to create a foundation, is to
 start
   up fundraising for extending and maintaining the current
   infrastructure. Until now, we have been greatly supported by
   institutions and companies, such as Delft University of Technology,
   LogicBlox and Rackspace. They will continue to do so, however, we
 need
   to start raising funds if we want to extend our infrastructure and
   keep the current infrastructure running.
  
   Previously people and companies have asked if there is a way for
 them
   to contribute hardware or donate money, to allow the
 infrastructure to
   be extended, e.g. by adding build machines in the hydra.nixos.org
  http://hydra.nixos.org
   buildfarm. This was difficult, as there was no entity available to
   receive such donations, except for private persons, which causes
   issues with tax regulations and ownership. The foundation solves
 this
   problem. Also, because the foundation will now take ownership of
   maintaining the infrastructure, it will be easier for people to
 roll
   on and off with regards to running and maintaining the
 infrastructure,
   which should improve continuity.
  
   Currently there are 3 board members for the foundation:
  
- Eelco Dolstra, Chairman
- Armijn Hemel, Secretary
- Rob Vermaas, Treasurer
  
   Note that the board members are doing this on a strictly voluntary
   basis, which means they will not get paid by the foundation. In the
   next year, we will try to add 1 or 2 more members from the NixOS
   community.
  
   More information on the can be found at:
  http://nixos.org/nixos/foundation.html
  
   So now the begging starts :-) We would like people to start
 supporting
   the NixOS foundation (financially, your commits/work have already
 been
   awesome!). We have set up some PayPal buttons which can be used to
 do
   a one-time donation to the foundation, or set up a monthly donation
   (even better!) . Bank transfer is also available. We will list all
   people/companies who have donated, if they wish to be listed, on
 the
   foundation webpage.
  
   Your donation would be very much appreciated! To give a good
 example,
   I have personally donated 100 euro to the foundation.
  
   The information on donations can be found here:
   http://nixos.org/nixos/foundation.html
  
   We will try to be as transparent as possible with regards to the
   spending of donations to the foundation. We will extend the
 foundation
   webpage with reports of donations received, and with reports about
 the
   spending.
  
   If you have any questions, please let us know. We are still in the
   phase of starting up everything, so please bear with us!
  
   Cheers,
  
 
 
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS Foundation

[Nathan Bijnens]

Just curious, was it ever considered to join an existing Foundation, like
the Apache Software Foundation?

Anyway congratulations to the NixOS Foundation!

N.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 4:02 PM Joachim Schiele j...@lastlog.de wrote:

 hey,

 this is good news and very much appreciated. i've been thinking about a
 nixos foundation a lot lately.

 thanks for creating it!

 best wishes,
 joachim

 On 08.07.2015 11:22, Rob Vermaas wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Last month, the NixOS Foundation came to life. The foundation was
  started to support the NixOS related projects and its infrastructure,
  and improve continuity for this.
 
  One of the main reasons we needed to create a foundation, is to start
  up fundraising for extending and maintaining the current
  infrastructure. Until now, we have been greatly supported by
  institutions and companies, such as Delft University of Technology,
  LogicBlox and Rackspace. They will continue to do so, however, we need
  to start raising funds if we want to extend our infrastructure and
  keep the current infrastructure running.
 
  Previously people and companies have asked if there is a way for them
  to contribute hardware or donate money, to allow the infrastructure to
  be extended, e.g. by adding build machines in the hydra.nixos.org
  buildfarm. This was difficult, as there was no entity available to
  receive such donations, except for private persons, which causes
  issues with tax regulations and ownership. The foundation solves this
  problem. Also, because the foundation will now take ownership of
  maintaining the infrastructure, it will be easier for people to roll
  on and off with regards to running and maintaining the infrastructure,
  which should improve continuity.
 
  Currently there are 3 board members for the foundation:
 
   - Eelco Dolstra, Chairman
   - Armijn Hemel, Secretary
   - Rob Vermaas, Treasurer
 
  Note that the board members are doing this on a strictly voluntary
  basis, which means they will not get paid by the foundation. In the
  next year, we will try to add 1 or 2 more members from the NixOS
  community.
 
  More information on the can be found at:
 http://nixos.org/nixos/foundation.html
 
  So now the begging starts :-) We would like people to start supporting
  the NixOS foundation (financially, your commits/work have already been
  awesome!). We have set up some PayPal buttons which can be used to do
  a one-time donation to the foundation, or set up a monthly donation
  (even better!) . Bank transfer is also available. We will list all
  people/companies who have donated, if they wish to be listed, on the
  foundation webpage.
 
  Your donation would be very much appreciated! To give a good example,
  I have personally donated 100 euro to the foundation.
 
  The information on donations can be found here:
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Re: [Nix-dev] Nix Windows support

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Hi Rok,

That's very good news! I will try it out when I find the time this week.

N.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:25 AM Rok Garbas r...@garbas.si wrote:

 Quoting Nathan Bijnens (2015-05-22 14:55:35)
  What's the state of Nix on Windows?
 
  How hard would it be to get the nixops command working on Windows, to
 provision
  Nixos hosts in the cloud?
 

 hi nathan,

 nix (current master) is building again on cygwin since 2 weeks now.

 i'm slowly going through packages and adding patches to make them compile
 on
 cygwin as well. but i think some extra work would need to be put in nixops
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What's the state of Nix on Windows?

How hard would it be to get the nixops command working on Windows, to
provision Nixos hosts in the cloud?

Thanks,
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Re: [Nix-dev] i686 Builds?

[Nathan Bijnens]

I'm still using i686 on my Atom based NAS.

It would be okay for me if only nixos-minimal was build for i686.

Nathan.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 8:34 AM Tomasz Kontusz tomasz.kont...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'm on x86_64 and use some of those for running games (mostly what the
 steam package already pulls in, plus a few more that were needed for
 specific games).

 The idea to only build them after x86_64 sounds pretty good. Actually, are
 all packages build together with the tests or only after they pass?

 Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com napisał:

 Hi all,

 Do we still have users running 32-bit machines? It would reduce the load on
 hydra significantly if we could drop support for i686, though of course if
 people are still relying on it we shouldn't make the change yet.

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Re: [Nix-dev] Improving security updates

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This Bump bot could open PRs on GIthub (I know, even more PRs...), it's the
best place to be sure a person looks at it.

It might make sense to start writing down our ideas into a Google Doc?

N.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 11:36 PM Jonathan Glines auntie...@gmail.com
wrote:

 2015-04-10 14:20 GMT-06:00 Christian Theune c...@flyingcircus.io:
  Hi,
 
  On 10 Apr 2015, at 22:16, Domen Kožar do...@dev.si wrote:
 
 
  That's what I meant - sitting down together (sprints!) and writing
 those tools to help us automate security vulns monitoring for Nix.
 
  So the next level on discussion from there would be: what kind of
 tooling to people expect and what workflow should they support?

 I think the typical sysadmin attitude towards security is I don't
 have time for this, but I still gotta cover my ass. So it would be
 nice to have a set and forget type of tool that can be trusted to
 automatically (or semi-automatically) pull in out-of-band security
 patches, similar to how Ubuntu security updates work.

  Is there anything in peoples heads already? Is that something that I
 just missed by being late to the game and the “work just needs to be done”?
 Or are we at the point of “need some design that the community agrees upon”?

 Speaking of things in my head, I have been thinking about something
 related to this...

 I think it would be useful to have a bump bot for nixpkgs that could
 scan meta data and catalog exactly which packages are out of date. The
 bot would pull data from multiple sources (package mirrors, other
 distros, security feeds) to warn about major version bumps and
 security advisories. Maintainers could then use output from the bot to
 see at a glance which of their packages are out of date. Maybe even
 with a web interface with graphs and charts to compare against other
 Linux distros and upstream. Distrowatch already does something similar
 for select few important packages.

 That's my practical solution to the opaqueness of manually comparing
 package versions in nixpkgs to a security feed that we trust someone
 is actually watching.

 Just throwing that out there. If it sounds useful, give me some
 tips/encouragement and I might prototype something.
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Re: [Nix-dev] Why are there so many branches in the nixpkgs repo

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First make a fork with all history. Afterwards I like Wout's suggestion.

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Wout Mertens wout.mert...@gmail.com
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 My vote is to remove merged branches without historical significance
 (version 0.5 is a keeper, like upstart), and then any branches that got
 their last push before August 2014 are renamed to attic/...

 That should make the github interface easier to navigate.

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Re: [Nix-dev] environment.allowedLicenses ?

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I also prefer the current approach of meta.license =
stdenv.lib.licenses.unfree, in some companies it's not always allowed to
use some 'viral' licenses (the opposite case of license.unfree).

N.

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On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Matthias Beyer m...@beyermatthias.de
wrote:

 On 26-01-2015 14:00:10, Eelco Dolstra wrote:
  Hm, I have the impression the license checking code is becoming pretty
 heavy at
  this point. For instance, what (realistically) is the use case for
 whitelisting?

 Whitelisting a non-free license.

  Even a basic NixOS system configuration probably has dozens of (free)
 licenses,
  and I can't imagine users going to the trouble of specifying them all.
 Also note
  that all this license checking is on the mkDerivation critical path, so
 anything
  we do there slows down nix-env -qa.

 Of course things have to be optimized here.
 
  I actually think we should *remove* meta.license entirely (because it
 doesn't
  provide useful info to users and tends to be wrong or incomplete
 anyway), and
  replace it with attributes that have operational meaning:

 I'm heavily against this. Having the license in the package
 information is (IMHO) the right way to do this.

 Removing the license of a package is removing information about the
 package, which I do not consider a good idea at all. You could remove
 the maintainer and version, too, if you remove the license.

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Re: [Nix-dev] Scala packages in Nix?

[Nathan Bijnens]

I would be interesting in contributing to this as well.

SBT uses Ivy as dependency management tool, closely related to Maven.

N.

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On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Mateusz Kowalczyk fuuze...@fuuzetsu.co.uk
wrote:

 On 12/31/2014 04:59 PM, Ryan Newton wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  Just recently there was a thread about Erlang adopting Nix as its package
  manager.
 
  Scala already has a package manager (sbt, which uses maven to my limited
  understanding).  *Has anyone tried to get that working with Nix?*
 
  My own motivation is that I want a version of Virtualized Scala
  https://github.com/tiarkrompf/scala-virtualized and Delite
  http://stanford-ppl.github.io/Delite/ that can reproducibly install
 via
  nix.
 
  Thanks,
-Ryan
 
 

 I know Daniel Peebles has looked at Java packaging in the past, for
 stuff that uses maven. Perhaps it'd be worthwhile to contact him and see
 if you can't get any useful info; he goes by ‘copumpkin’ on IRC but I
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Re: [Nix-dev] Nix stand at FOSDEM15: ACCEPTED!

[Nathan Bijnens]

I am also in (for at least a day).

N.

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On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Domen Kožar do...@dev.si wrote:

 Me, Jaka and Brodul are in. Shall we schedule a hangout to organize what
 swag we bring and how to approach people?

 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Wout Mertens wout.mert...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Alright, we got accepted :-)

 Any volunteers to help with the stand? Basically you'd need to chat to
 the folks and show them how awesome everything is. At the same time selling
 swag is nice.

 Anybody up to buying some Nix USB sticks?
 http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=usb+stick+logo
 If we get 100 it should be very doable to flash them while at FOSDEM...

 Wout.

 On Wed Dec 17 2014 at 8:57:15 AM Mikey Ariel mikeymay...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Considering that they haven't announced anything yet, I have a feeling
 that the jury is still out on that one..

 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Wout Mertens wout.mert...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Still no news about the tables at Fosdem... Should we prod them to show
 our interest?


 On Wed Nov 19 2014 at 11:16:11 AM Wout Mertens wout.mert...@gmail.com
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 I'm requesting a table, we'll see if we get in.

 How about USB sticks with the Nix logo and a liveUSB? Anybody have
 experience getting those?

 Wout.

 On Wed Nov 19 2014 at 9:05:09 AM Rok Garbas r...@garbas.si wrote:

 i'll be there as well and can help if you want.
 maybe print new set of t-shirts? :)

 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Domen Kožar do...@dev.si wrote:
  If you manage to apply in time, I'm willing to help out!
 
  Domen
 
  On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Nathan Bijnens nat...@nathan.gs
 wrote:
 
  Does anyone have plans to host a Nix stand at Fosdem? The deadline
 for
  submission is November 20.
 
  https://fosdem.org/2015/news/2014-09-19-call-for-participati
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  I would be happy to help.
 
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[Nix-dev] Nix stand at FOSDEM15

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Does anyone have plans to host a Nix stand at Fosdem? The deadline for
submission is November 20.

https://fosdem.org/2015/news/2014-09-19-call-for-participation-part-two/

I would be happy to help.

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Re: [Nix-dev] installing NixOS in a VirtualBox

[Nathan Bijnens]

Are you using btrfs? Maybe this link can help you?

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=144254

There is also an already installed virtualbox image with nixos on (for
14.04 and unstable):
https://nixos.org/nixos/download.html#virtualbox-appliances

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On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Dmitry Malikov malikov@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hello,

 I'm installing nixos-minimal-14.04.559.ffb3ead-x86_64-linux in a
 VirtualBox and strange error appeared



 Here is my configuration.nix file



 And here is fdisk -l output



 Any ideas what is wrong with it?

 // sorry for the screenshots but there is no way to copy these logs
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Re: [Nix-dev] deploying nix-built software to non-nix linux systems

[Nathan Bijnens]

You could also use Nix inside Docker. This way you should only install
Docker on your host.

Nathan.

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On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Andreas Herrmann andreas...@gmx.ch wrote:

 There was a post here recently about using proot to install Nix in $HOME
 [1].

 I haven't used it myself, but I could imagine that you could install a
 closure of your package and provide a wrapper script which configures the
 environment and uses proot to run your app.

 [1]:
 https://nixos.org/wiki/How_to_install_nix_in_home_%28on_another_distribution%29

 Best, Andreas

 On Tuesday 04 November 2014 10:24:15 Luca Bruno wrote:
  On 04/11/2014 00:36, Anders Papitto wrote:
   Hello,
  
   I'm interested in using nix/nixos to build an application with its
   full set of dependencies, and then deploy it to non-nixos machines as
   a self-contained package (up to and including the system libraries),
   without root privileges. Ideally I would like to not require that any
   nix tools be available on the target system. The perfect workflow
   would be something like
  
   # on any linux system
   $ wget https://some/path/to/my-app.tar.gz
   $ tar -xf my-app.tar.gz
   $ ./my-app/bin/my-app # run the application - it should not try to
   access anything outside ./my-app
  
   Is this possible? I haven't been able to find any resources on
   deploying to a non-nix systems.
  You don't have to install nix to run packages on other systems, you can
  simply copy the closure of it.
  However usually packages are stored into /nix, which requires root
  access. You may
  try something like fakechroot or proot.
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Re: [Nix-dev] Is systemd a benefit or a liability?

[Nathan Bijnens]

It's not all quiet at other Distro's, some Debian developers are
considering forking Debian if Debian switches to SystemD:
http://debianfork.org/

I like some of the features of SystemD; on the other hand it makes porting
Nix very hard to Non-linux. I would love to have services on Mac, BSD,
Windows in the future.

I think it makes sense to have a abstraction in Nix for defining services
and timers; by default it uses SystemD, but it shouldn't be to hard to have
other implementations (like plain cron, ...). This would make Nix(OS) as
future proof as possible.

Nathan

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On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Luca Bruno lethalma...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Alexander Zubkov gr...@msu.ru wrote:

 And what you need from the integration of systemd with udev? What
 use-cases do you have for this?


 Making services or mounts or timers depend upon the appearance or
 disappearance of devices. I use that often to improve boot parallelism.
 Now instead in most systems not fully integrated with systemd you have a
 loop with udev settle waiting for a device to appear in a script. I saw
 that especially in initrd (see nixos stage-1 or dracut without systemd).

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Re: [Nix-dev] Crontab and mail / ssmtp troubles

[Nathan Bijnens]

Any reason you are not using systemd triggers? Works the same as cron and log 
output is redirected to journald.

N.

-Original Message-
From: M. P. Ashton d...@imap.cc
Sent: ‎10/‎16/‎2014 2:32 AM
To: nix-dev nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl
Subject: Re: [Nix-dev] Crontab and mail / ssmtp troubles

Thanks, I'll try to find that discussion.

This was on the stable branch; maybe it's different in the git head?

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014, at 04:12 PM, Luca Bruno wrote:
 There was some discussion about this. The problem is probably a missing
 /var/spool for each user, or anyway something about permissions. I've
 tracked down the issue once but never worked on it since I wasn't
 directly
 interested on it.
 
 On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:07 PM, M. P. Ashton d...@imap.cc wrote:
 
  I'm having trouble getting a rather simple crontab running on a new
  NixOS installation.
 
  The crontab is supposed to run a shell script in a user account. It
  doesn't work. So I tried just having it run echo test. That got me
  this in the journal:
 
  Oct 15 15:54:01 bode cron[22272]: (mpashton) CMD (echo test)
  Oct 15 15:54:01 bode cron[22271]: (mpashton) MAIL (mailed 5 bytes of
  output but got status 0x0001
)
 
  Sadly I can't see cron's mail output, because mail doesn't work either.
  I installed ssmtp using networking.defaultMailServer.directDelivery =
  true, but none of my mail programs, like mutt and mail, seem to be able
  to find sendmail. For example:
 
 [mpashton@bode:~]$ echo Hi there |mail -s Test subject
 d...@gtf.org
 Cannot open mailer: No such file or directory
 
  I can force Mutt to see sendmail by putting this in .muttrc:
 
 set sendmail=sendmail;
 
  Then it works fine and I can send mail successfully. So, obviously Mutt
  is pointing to something like /usr/sbin/sendmail by default. Maybe
  crontab is too? But I would have thought this would be patched already.
 
  Crontab is below. Notice I tried adding paths -- this did not help.
 
  Thanks to anyone who can offer advice here!
 
  --Michael
 
  * * *
 
  SH=/run/current-system/sw/bin/sh
  MAILTO=d...@gtf.org
  PATH=/run/current-system/sw/sbin
 
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Re: [Nix-dev] pyenchant: new package

[Nathan Bijnens]

It's not that migrating away from Github, if it was ever necessary, is
going to be really hard. It's not that they added proprietary stuff to git,
just a very nice frontend.

Just my 2 cents,
  Nathan

On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Vladimír Čunát vcu...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 09/13/2014 09:41 PM, Mateusz Kowalczyk wrote:

 Of course there is still the problem of GitHub not being responsive to
 feature requests (we still can't delete issues and it took YEARS to be
 able to lock them) and its service all the way up to its web frontend
 being proprietary code.


 Yes, the closed-ness of github was discussed before migrating to it, but
 noone here could produce anything else that would provide similar range of
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[Nix-dev] systemd in the long run: Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems (it's almost Nix...)

[Nathan Bijnens]

The systemd kabal just wrote a blog post detailing their long term vision
on Linux. They have great issue with traditional package managers (who can
blame them?).

They sketch a possible solution, based on a whole lof of BTRFS subvolumes,
sort of used like docker images but linked to each other (it sounds as
complicated as it is).

http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html

I have the feeling they're trying to recreate what already exists and works
in Nix, I have the feeling they're unaware of this little great OS.

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