Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS 16.09 and Firefox Nightly

[Vladimír Čunát]

On 03/05/2017 05:15 PM, David Izquierdo wrote:
> AFAIK those restrictions were recently dropped, Debian's firefox is now
> branded Firefox instead of Iceweasel. It probably should be changed in
> nixpkgs too to prevent further confusion.

IIRC it's not that easy, and the distro has to be consistently providing
high-quality builds etc. to be allowed to use the Firefox brand.  (I'm
personally perfectly fine with using non-branded version.)

--Vladimir




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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS 16.09 and Firefox Nightly

[Graham Christensen]

Mark Gardner  writes:

> ​It is indeed. Going to the Firefox home page (​
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/) tells me "Congrats! You’re
> using the latest version of Firefox." Sorry for the confusion.

I'm so glad to hear it, thank you for getting back to us! I'm going to
ask Mozilla about renaming our stable FF to Firefox.

Graham

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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS 16.09 and Firefox Nightly

[Mark Gardner]

Graham,

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Graham Christensen 
wrote:

> Can you confirm that the version of Firefox you're running matches the
>
currently available, stable, Firefox?
>

​It is indeed. Going to the Firefox home page (​
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/) tells me "Congrats! You’re
using the latest version of Firefox." Sorry for the confusion.

Mark
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS 16.09 and Firefox Nightly

[Graham Christensen]

David Izquierdo  writes:

> AFAIK those restrictions were recently dropped, Debian's firefox is now 
> branded Firefox instead of Iceweasel. It probably should be changed in 
> nixpkgs too to prevent further confusion.

I've asked in #firefox on Mozilla's IRC network. They've asked me to
come back and ask again in #build on Monday during US business hours,
but suggested we may indeed be able to have official branding.

Graham
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS 16.09 and Firefox Nightly

[David Izquierdo]

AFAIK those restrictions were recently dropped, Debian's firefox is now 
branded Firefox instead of Iceweasel. It probably should be changed in 
nixpkgs too to prevent further confusion.



On 05/03/17 16:16, Graham Christensen wrote:

Hi Mark,

As I understand it, what we ship in 16.09 is indeed the stable version
of Firefox. However, since we build it ourselves the licensing
restrictions of Mozilla require us to not call it "Firefox" but instead
force us to call it "Nightly."

Can you confirm that the version of Firefox you're running matches the
currently available, stable, Firefox?

Best,
Graham Christensen
NixOS Security Team
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS 16.09 and Firefox Nightly

[Graham Christensen]

Hi Mark,

As I understand it, what we ship in 16.09 is indeed the stable version
of Firefox. However, since we build it ourselves the licensing
restrictions of Mozilla require us to not call it "Firefox" but instead
force us to call it "Nightly."

Can you confirm that the version of Firefox you're running matches the
currently available, stable, Firefox?

Best,
Graham Christensen
NixOS Security Team
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Re: [Nix-dev] NixOS 16.09 and Firefox Nightly

[Vladimír Čunát]

On 03/05/2017 04:05 PM, Mark Gardner wrote:
> I thought that 16.09 is the stable release but Firefox Nightly was
> installed when I upgraded yesterday.

I believe this is all actually as you wish it.  IIRC when you build FF
from source, it calls itself "nightly" by default.  `firefox` attribute
is always the latest stable release, and we even have `firefox-esr` for
the latest longterm release.  The versions are the same on nixpkgs
master and maintained stable releases, as security fixes are almost in
all FF updates.

--Vladimir



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[Nix-dev] NixOS 16.09 and Firefox Nightly

[Mark Gardner]

I thought that 16.09 is the stable release but Firefox Nightly was
installed when I upgraded yesterday. No idea how stable Nightly is but
according to
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/styleguide/identity/firefox/channels/, it is
the one of the least stable of the Firefox builds.

I know that some like to track the latest and greatest but I would prefer
that there be a stable release where experimental or "nightly" builds are
guaranteed to be absent. (I left Ubuntu and went back to Debian years ago
for this very reason.)

;Please make the current release as stable as possible (with only security
and serious bug fixes).

Mark
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