Re: [Nix-dev] few questions before migrating from Debian…
UEFI requires a separate ESP partition anyway. Unless you plan on running on FAT32. On 16/04/2016 9:35 PM, "Saša Janiška" wrote: > Roger Qiu writes: > > > Will you be using UEFI? > > Yes, on my single-disk netbook…any gotcha in regard? > > > Sincerely, > Gour > > -- > Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. > Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. > The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because > they have seen the truth. > > ___ > nix-dev mailing list > nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl > http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev > ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] few questions before migrating from Debian…
ZFS is the best :-) My gist ( https://gist.github.com/vizanto/7374277 ) is still relevant. With slight modifications you don’t need a separate /boot filesystem since recent Grub can read ZFS filesystems (mirrors, not sure about RAID-Z) just fine. Basically just skipping the partitioning steps and creating a whole disk zpool. A few months ago I've installed NixOS on ZFS root (mirrored disks) so I know it’s possible. Cheers, Danny On 9 apr. 2016, at 21:07, Saša Janiška wrote: > Hello, > > for some time I’m considering which Linux distro to use to have > relatively fresh packages as well as not to waste too much time for > admin work. > > Morever, it would be ideal to have same distro for the machine of my > relative’s to make it easier during trouble.shooting session. So, in > order to fulfill those two requirements I did consider to stay with > Debian (Sid) on my desktop and netbook machines, but put Debian Stable > on the machines of my relatives. > > However, after checking about NixOS which I tried many years ago, I’ve > concluded it’s the best option at the moment since I learnt that > nixos-stable might be good-enough for other’s machine requiring not much > admin time, while I can use nixos-unstable if stable channel is not > fresh–enough for my own needs. > > So, before jumping to install on real hardware - today I did install > under vbox, I’ve few questions… > > My desktop is i7 2.8G/16G machine having 1xTB+1x2TB disks which are > assembled in btrfs raid1 with / and /home as btrfs subvolumes (the > remaining 1TB is used for daily backups.) > > I’m delighted that NixOS provides ZFS as filesytem option since it was > one of the reasons why I was evaluating Free/PC-BSD option in the past. > > a) do you, in general, recommend using ZFS over Btrfs for NixOS desktop > machine? > > b) is ZFS good option even for single-disk netbook machine with 4G of > memory? > > c) can one use ZFS on root *without* usage of separate /boot partition? > I use same disk layout on Debian, but with btrfs and do not have any > experience with ZoL, although I’ve found that there is > ’boot.loader.grub.zfsSupport’ option? > > Any doc/tutorial explaining how to do such install? > > I’ve found: https://gist.github.com/vizanto/7374277 but wonder if it is > still relevant? > > There are of course few packages I do miss in NixOS, but everything else > is so great, so that I’m very enthusiastic to put NixOS on all my > relative’s machines very soon. > > On all machines, I plan to use GNOME3, so wonder if there are some > gotchas in regard - someone on #nixoes mentioned that GTK does not like > custom paths as used by Nix and recommended i3 instead which is, atm, > not option considering that other family members also use my machine and > relatives are not savvy-enough for that tiling wm. > > > Sincerely, > Gour > > -- > Therefore, without being attached to the fruits of activities, > one should act as a matter of duty, for by working without > attachment one attains the Supreme. > > ___ > nix-dev mailing list > nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl > http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] few questions before migrating from Debian…
Roger Qiu writes: > UEFI requires a separate ESP partition anyway. OK, that’s clear. ; > Unless you plan on running on FAT32. Not at all. :-) Sincerely, Gour -- Whatever action a great man performs, common men follow. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] few questions before migrating from Debian…
Roger Qiu writes: > Will you be using UEFI? Yes, on my single-disk netbook…any gotcha in regard? Sincerely, Gour -- Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] few questions before migrating from Debian…
Online Touch | Danny Wilson writes: > ZFS is the best :-) What about memory consumption? > With slight modifications you don’t need a separate /boot filesystem > since recent Grub can read ZFS filesystems (mirrors, not sure about > RAID-Z) just fine. What are those modifications which are required? > A few months ago I've installed NixOS on ZFS root (mirrored disks) so > I know it’s possible. That’s good to know..maybe I should try to do another test-install under vbox with ZFS on root & raid1… Sincerely, Gour -- Perform your prescribed duty, for doing so is better than not working. One cannot even maintain one's physical body without work. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] few questions before migrating from Debian…
Roger Qiu writes: > ZFS still requires separate /boot. Actually this depends on your boot > loader, not ZFS. So if you find a better boot loader that can run > ZFS, then you won't need a separate /boot. If you use UEFI, you'll > need a separate ESP partition anyway, which you can use as your /boot > if you are only using UEFI. After some consideration, I believe I’ll go with XFS which does not require separate /boot – tested under vbox with raid1 configuration. Sincerely, Gour -- As a strong wind sweeps away a boat on the water, even one of the roaming senses on which the mind focuses can carry away a man's intelligence. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] few questions before migrating from Debian…
ZFS still requires separate /boot. Actually this depends on your boot loader, not ZFS. So if you find a better boot loader that can run ZFS, then you won't need a separate /boot. If you use UEFI, you'll need a separate ESP partition anyway, which you can use as your /boot if you are only using UEFI. On 10/04/2016 5:15 AM, "Saša Janiška" wrote: > Hello, > > for some time I’m considering which Linux distro to use to have > relatively fresh packages as well as not to waste too much time for > admin work. > > Morever, it would be ideal to have same distro for the machine of my > relative’s to make it easier during trouble.shooting session. So, in > order to fulfill those two requirements I did consider to stay with > Debian (Sid) on my desktop and netbook machines, but put Debian Stable > on the machines of my relatives. > > However, after checking about NixOS which I tried many years ago, I’ve > concluded it’s the best option at the moment since I learnt that > nixos-stable might be good-enough for other’s machine requiring not much > admin time, while I can use nixos-unstable if stable channel is not > fresh–enough for my own needs. > > So, before jumping to install on real hardware - today I did install > under vbox, I’ve few questions… > > My desktop is i7 2.8G/16G machine having 1xTB+1x2TB disks which are > assembled in btrfs raid1 with / and /home as btrfs subvolumes (the > remaining 1TB is used for daily backups.) > > I’m delighted that NixOS provides ZFS as filesytem option since it was > one of the reasons why I was evaluating Free/PC-BSD option in the past. > > a) do you, in general, recommend using ZFS over Btrfs for NixOS desktop > machine? > > b) is ZFS good option even for single-disk netbook machine with 4G of > memory? > > c) can one use ZFS on root *without* usage of separate /boot partition? > I use same disk layout on Debian, but with btrfs and do not have any > experience with ZoL, although I’ve found that there is > ’boot.loader.grub.zfsSupport’ option? > > Any doc/tutorial explaining how to do such install? > > I’ve found: https://gist.github.com/vizanto/7374277 but wonder if it is > still relevant? > > There are of course few packages I do miss in NixOS, but everything else > is so great, so that I’m very enthusiastic to put NixOS on all my > relative’s machines very soon. > > On all machines, I plan to use GNOME3, so wonder if there are some > gotchas in regard - someone on #nixoes mentioned that GTK does not like > custom paths as used by Nix and recommended i3 instead which is, atm, > not option considering that other family members also use my machine and > relatives are not savvy-enough for that tiling wm. > > > Sincerely, > Gour > > -- > Therefore, without being attached to the fruits of activities, > one should act as a matter of duty, for by working without > attachment one attains the Supreme. > > ___ > nix-dev mailing list > nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl > http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev > ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] few questions before migrating from Debian…
As a nixos newbie I'll weigh in. Installed nixos during the previous weekend, having been on gentoo for some years. There's been some getting used to the nix language, and defining everything in the .nix configs instead of files in /etc/. Also, systemd is a strange beast; not sure how I feel about it, but it does the job :P There definitely are some quirks and some things are difficult to figure out. For instance I struggled getting wpa_supplicant running, but it turned out that the networking.supplicant and networking.wireless options were creating a conflict. When all that is said, and remembering I've only been at it for less than a week, I'm quite pleased with nixos and it's a joy to work with. I love that even when I made changes that froze my boot, I just chose an earlier system/profile (don't know what it's called) and could start a fully functional system where I could fix the problems. I would encourage you to put of some 10, 20GB on a disk and try nixos on it for a while. That's what I did before I deleted the old gentoo system. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] few questions before migrating from Debian…
Vladimír Čunát writes: > It's these various quirks, I believe. Mostly less important edge cases. > They come from having much less testers and contributors than Debian > (for example) and from deviating on some commonly assumed points, e.g. > shared directories for all plugins on the system. Well, I’m sure NixOS has some other strong points which outweight some gotchas. > On the other hand, once you have a working system, you can easily roll > back to it if something goes wrong... I agree with NixOS it's still > better that there is a power-user maintainer, but that *is* your case. Right. Now I’m doing raid1/xfs-on-root install with GNOME under vbox and if everything is fine, soon I’ll put NixOS on real hardware. ;) Sincerely, Gour -- Those who are on this path are resolute in purpose, and their aim is one. O beloved child of the Kurus, the intelligence of those who are irresolute is many-branched. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] few questions before migrating from Debian…
On 04/09/2016 09:59 PM, Saša Janiška wrote: >> I wouldn't recommend NixOS to non-developers, our stable releases are >> still a lot less stable than Debian testing. > > In which sense is that ’less stability’ manifested? It's these various quirks, I believe. Mostly less important edge cases. They come from having much less testers and contributors than Debian (for example) and from deviating on some commonly assumed points, e.g. shared directories for all plugins on the system. On the other hand, once you have a working system, you can easily roll back to it if something goes wrong... I agree with NixOS it's still better that there is a power-user maintainer, but that *is* your case. --Vladimir smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] few questions before migrating from Debian…
Jakob Gillich writes: > GNOME 3 works pretty well, but like many other things on NixOS it has > a few quirks. For example, it does not auto-detect new apps until you > restart GNOME shell. OK, that’s not a big deal. > I wouldn't recommend NixOS to non-developers, our stable releases are > still a lot less stable than Debian testing. In which sense is that ’less stability’ manifested? Sincerely, Gour -- From wherever the mind wanders due to its flickering and unsteady nature, one must certainly withdraw it and bring it back under the control of the self. ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev
Re: [Nix-dev] few questions before migrating from Debian…
GNOME 3 works pretty well, but like many other things on NixOS it has a few quirks. For example, it does not auto-detect new apps until you restart GNOME shell. I wouldn't recommend NixOS to non-developers, our stable releases are still a lot less stable than Debian testing. On Sat, Apr 9, 2016, at 09:07 PM, Saša Janiška wrote: > Hello, > > for some time I’m considering which Linux distro to use to have > relatively fresh packages as well as not to waste too much time for > admin work. > > Morever, it would be ideal to have same distro for the machine of my > relative’s to make it easier during trouble.shooting session. So, in > order to fulfill those two requirements I did consider to stay with > Debian (Sid) on my desktop and netbook machines, but put Debian Stable > on the machines of my relatives. > > However, after checking about NixOS which I tried many years ago, I’ve > concluded it’s the best option at the moment since I learnt that > nixos-stable might be good-enough for other’s machine requiring not much > admin time, while I can use nixos-unstable if stable channel is not > fresh–enough for my own needs. > > So, before jumping to install on real hardware - today I did install > under vbox, I’ve few questions… > > My desktop is i7 2.8G/16G machine having 1xTB+1x2TB disks which are > assembled in btrfs raid1 with / and /home as btrfs subvolumes (the > remaining 1TB is used for daily backups.) > > I’m delighted that NixOS provides ZFS as filesytem option since it was > one of the reasons why I was evaluating Free/PC-BSD option in the past. > > a) do you, in general, recommend using ZFS over Btrfs for NixOS desktop > machine? > > b) is ZFS good option even for single-disk netbook machine with 4G of > memory? > > c) can one use ZFS on root *without* usage of separate /boot partition? > I use same disk layout on Debian, but with btrfs and do not have any > experience with ZoL, although I’ve found that there is > ’boot.loader.grub.zfsSupport’ option? > > Any doc/tutorial explaining how to do such install? > > I’ve found: https://gist.github.com/vizanto/7374277 but wonder if it is > still relevant? > > There are of course few packages I do miss in NixOS, but everything else > is so great, so that I’m very enthusiastic to put NixOS on all my > relative’s machines very soon. > > On all machines, I plan to use GNOME3, so wonder if there are some > gotchas in regard - someone on #nixoes mentioned that GTK does not like > custom paths as used by Nix and recommended i3 instead which is, atm, > not option considering that other family members also use my machine and > relatives are not savvy-enough for that tiling wm. > > > Sincerely, > Gour > > -- > Therefore, without being attached to the fruits of activities, > one should act as a matter of duty, for by working without > attachment one attains the Supreme. > > ___ > nix-dev mailing list > nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl > http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev ___ nix-dev mailing list nix-dev@lists.science.uu.nl http://lists.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/nix-dev