Re: [Nmh-workers] Updates to nmh

2009-01-25 Thread Peter Maydell
Ken Hornstein wrote:
I use mts:sendmail (this is the Debian package default and generally what
I recommend people use because (a) nmh's SMTP talking code doesn't get
the corner cases of the spec right and (b) Unix systems should have a
sendmail binary that can do this kind of thing anyhow).

Weeelll ... let's just say that I don't quite agree with you on all of
those points. 

:-)

While I haven't encountered any problems with nmh's SMTP code, if you know
of problems with it I'll be glad to fix them.

Just to pick a random example, if you get a 4xx response back from the
server you're supposed to retry later, and I bet we don't do that :-)
Another one: I don't think we do MX lookups on the server name given in
mts.conf, which is also a MUST from RFC1123.

-- PMM


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Re: [Nmh-workers] Re: big thanks

2009-01-25 Thread Joel Uckelman
Thus spake belg4...@pthbb.org:

 I think the cut-off is more likely to be gen-Xers than baby-boomers.
 MH used to be the default MUA at MIT until ~2000, which is where I picked it 
 up.

It was still the default on the servers at Iowa State when I graduated in
2001. I don't know if it still is, but I know a lot of MH users as a result.

-- 
J.


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Re: [Nmh-workers] Re: big thanks

2009-01-25 Thread Earl Hood
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Joel Uckelman uckel...@nomic.net wrote:
 I think the cut-off is more likely to be gen-Xers than baby-boomers.
 MH used to be the default MUA at MIT until ~2000, which is where I picked it
 up.

I left UCI in '93, and of course, it was the default MUA on many systems.
Not sure if it is still used at UCI, but I would bet some of the old-time
profs may still use it.

I still use it now.  I have yet to find a GUI-based MUA that allows me
to be as efficient an MH/nmh.

It would be nice if nmh supported SMTP/TLS.  I think it is more in
danger of becoming obsolete in not staying up-to-date with later
secure mail transit protocols and other mail standards versus the age of
its users.

--ewh


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Re: [Nmh-workers] Re: big thanks

2009-01-25 Thread Ken Hornstein
It would be nice if nmh supported SMTP/TLS.  I think it is more in
danger of becoming obsolete in not staying up-to-date with later
secure mail transit protocols and other mail standards versus the age of
its users.

Well, someone just needs to write the code.

I wrote the POP SASL and SMTP AUTH code for nmh (both of which
include encryption) because that's what we use here.  If someone
wants to contribute TLS support  well, there's nothing stopping
anyone.  _I_ won't write it, because we don't use it and I'm not
standing up a test mail server just to test out the code.

--Ken


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