Re: Export/sync nmh folders to IMAP server
>Hm, i rewrote Maildir name things of the MUA i maintain, and >i found: > > /* If the seconds part does not work, go deeper. >* We use de-facto standard "maildir - E-mail directory" from the Courier >* mail server, also used by, e.g., Dovecot: sec.MusecPpid.hostname:2,flags. >* However, a different name convention exists which uses >* sec.pid_counter.hostname:2,flags. >* First go for usec/counter, then pid */ I mean ... I read this paragraph, and I can't help but think it proves my point? I acknowledge that the reality on the ground is that a number of MUAs do use Maildir as a mailbox storage backend, for reasons I cannot grasp. It does occur to me that maybe a "thin layer" that would be easy to write for nmh would be to maintain links from a MH-style mailspool to the appropriate Maildir file. --Ken
Re: Export/sync nmh folders to IMAP server
Ken Hornstein wrote: > I am continually confused why anyone thinks Maildir is a good idea for > mailbox storage; I think it is fine for a _maildrop_ (since that was > it's intended purpose), but every time I've seen it used as a backend I'm not arguing with you. I just want to duct tape together a few hockey sticks and go toboganing. > Also, I thought cyrus-imapd uses it's own internal backend for mail > storage and Maildir isn't one of them. Looks like the list of storage > types is here: > https://www.cyrusimap.org/imap/concepts/deployment/databases.html#storage-types > You might be thinking of Dovecot which _does_ use Maildir as a backend > storage, but my understanding is that Dovecot has the filename metadata > problem mentioned above. Oh. Mumble. Yeah. that one :-) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Export/sync nmh folders to IMAP server
Ken Hornstein wrote in <20220629184548.f030b19f...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>: |>I guess I will try the Maildir hard links script with |>cyrus-imapd for providing access to the 6G of mail on my desktop. |>I'm okay that it would be read-only... it's probably a feature. | |I am continually confused why anyone thinks Maildir is a good idea for |mailbox storage; I think it is fine for a _maildrop_ (since that was |it's intended purpose), but every time I've seen it used as a backend |for mailbox storage, you end up cramming a lot of metadata into the |individual filenames and nobody seems to quite agree on those metadata |semantics. | |Also, I thought cyrus-imapd uses it's own internal backend for |mail storage and Maildir isn't one of them. Looks like the list of |storage types is here: | |https://www.cyrusimap.org/imap/concepts/deployment/databases.html#storag\ |e-types | |You might be thinking of Dovecot which _does_ use Maildir as a backend |storage, but my understanding is that Dovecot has the filename metadata |problem mentioned above. Hm, i rewrote Maildir name things of the MUA i maintain, and i found: /* If the seconds part does not work, go deeper. * We use de-facto standard "maildir - E-mail directory" from the Courier * mail server, also used by, e.g., Dovecot: sec.MusecPpid.hostname:2,flags. * However, a different name convention exists which uses * sec.pid_counter.hostname:2,flags. * First go for usec/counter, then pid */ I do not know about other name variants. But i agree that my a_maildir_cmp() for name comparison is a hog. We also use an array for all the filenames in a box (i want to implement Zawinski's index for long, but not yet). (I personally like a nice and so on, append-only MIME MBOX the most, and do not understand why people do not like it. Heck, once i read on a FreeBSD list an administrator saying something like "... my boss has a 2GB INBOX, it is no fun; we now use Archaeopterix" or however this dinosaur/software combo was really named. What i mean is: if you only append anyway, have a nice index. Cheerio.) --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)
Re: Export/sync nmh folders to IMAP server
>I guess I will try the Maildir hard links script with >cyrus-imapd for providing access to the 6G of mail on my desktop. >I'm okay that it would be read-only... it's probably a feature. I am continually confused why anyone thinks Maildir is a good idea for mailbox storage; I think it is fine for a _maildrop_ (since that was it's intended purpose), but every time I've seen it used as a backend for mailbox storage, you end up cramming a lot of metadata into the individual filenames and nobody seems to quite agree on those metadata semantics. Also, I thought cyrus-imapd uses it's own internal backend for mail storage and Maildir isn't one of them. Looks like the list of storage types is here: https://www.cyrusimap.org/imap/concepts/deployment/databases.html#storage-types You might be thinking of Dovecot which _does_ use Maildir as a backend storage, but my understanding is that Dovecot has the filename metadata problem mentioned above. --Ken
Re: Export/sync nmh folders to IMAP server
Thank you for the links. I can see that netoric is useful for synchronizing my MH inbox so that I can get at it from my phone. Right now, my phone can see my inbox until I run "inc", and then it leaves my mail server... I guess I will try the Maildir hard links script with cyrus-imapd for providing access to the 6G of mail on my desktop. I'm okay that it would be read-only... it's probably a feature. A killer-app for me is being able to run Thunderbird on my desktop to point at the same (MH) inbox as Emacs, so that I can: a) get better HTML rendering when I need it b) import calendar entries About (b), I've tried some of the gcal interfaces (within Emacs and without) and they haven't been to my liking, haven't been compatible enough. I typically just bounce stuff to my gmail account, but I'd really like to stop using Google calendar. (Feel free to organize an intervention) (while I use cyrus-imapd on my mail server, I could run something different on my mail archive machine. I keep thinking I should write a single-user IMAP server in GO or Rust... ) -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works| network architect [ ] m...@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/| ruby on rails[ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Export/sync nmh folders to IMAP server
Hi [2022-06-27 12:50] Wolfgang Denk > tldr: How can I export (and keep in sync) MH folders to an IMAP > account; direction is only MH -> IMAP. I currently use netoric[0] a small imap sync programm written by a friend of mine. Before that I have used mailsync[1]. Philipp [0] https://git.c-14.de/netoric.git/ [1] http://mailsync.sourceforge.net/
