Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
Jerrad wrote: > I do not think msh should be discarded. At worst, a build time option, > but you never know when you might want/need it, so why not build it? > It's a single, documented useful utility that provides a useful > complement to packf. I've not had *much* call for it, but it's nice > to know it's there if I do want to interact with a mail archive in a > familiar way. Paul wrote: > fwiw i still like msh. i've used it as a login shell for some captive > accounts. Thanks. Let's keep msh. David ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
fwiw i still like msh. i've used it as a login shell for some captive accounts. ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
Jerrad wrote: > ...although msh should SEE ALSO packf instead of bbc, and packf should > point to msh; unless that's already been done in 1.4 Hadn't been done for 1.4, just did. David ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
...although msh should SEE ALSO packf instead of bbc, and packf should point to msh; unless that's already been done in 1.4 ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
I do not think msh should be discarded. At worst, a build time option, but you never know when you might want/need it, so why not build it? It's a single, documented useful utility that provides a useful complement to packf. I've not had *much* call for it, but it's nice to know it's there if I do want to interact with a mail archive in a familiar way. ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
Bill wrote: > Wasn't there discussion about removing the BBoard stuff, or am I > confusing that with NNTP support? If the former, then msh and vmh would > go with that, wouldn't it? All but msh are gone now. Should we remove msh? Disable it in the build and see if anyone complains? David ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
>Wasn't there discussion about removing the BBoard stuff, or am I >confusing that with NNTP support? If the former, then msh and vmh would >go with that, wouldn't it? There was some discussion of removing BBoards and NNTP ... over a year ago :-) I removed it from the source code on December 9th, 2010. --Ken ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
David Levine writes: > It's time, I think, to remove vmh.c. No objection. The MH book only mentions vmh in a couple of places. In one place, it says: This book doesn't cover the MH BBoards (Bulletin Boards) programs. They're quite useful, especially if your site reads bulletin boards and/or digests that are sent in mail messages. The commands include bbaka, bbc, msh, and vmh. Wasn't there discussion about removing the BBoard stuff, or am I confusing that with NNTP support? If the former, then msh and vmh would go with that, wouldn't it? As has been mentioned, MH-E is a fine text-based interface to MH. I've written in the manual that it is designed to be useful for non-Emacs users as well as hardened Emacs buffs. Indeed, MH-E was my introduction to Emacs (back in '85). -- Bill Wohler aka http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
On Dec 27 2011, David Levine wrote: AM wrote: I am new at the list. Sorry for direct (and perhaps stupid) question. Does anyone can compile vmh from nmh-1.4-RC2? Form me it gives a lot of errors. I read at list archive that in nmh there is something like vmh. This what I need, ncurses interface to nmh, but it is not a part of debian nhm package and does not compile. Difficult to test... vmh hasn't been supported for years. We just yesterday removed it from nmh, so it won't be in future releases unless someone wants to resurrect it. If you're looking for a visual front end and use emacs, mh-e is worth looking at. Or exmh (not emacs). Cheers, - Joel ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
Date:Mon, 26 Dec 2011 21:53:36 -0500 From:David Levine Message-ID: <5084.1324954...@nist-cbox32.combinenet.com> | If you're looking for a visual front end and use emacs, mh-e is | worth looking at. And if you don't use emacs it should be possible to find a thing called vmail somewhere that was what vmh was supposed to be, but actually worked. It was never part of MH (or nmh) but was a MH front end that used curses. I haven't come across it in ages, so it might take some hunting to locate a copy. Not sure of its compile state with modern compilers. kre ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 03:15:55 +0100, Aleksander Matuszak said: > I am new at the list. Sorry for direct (and perhaps stupid) > question. > > Does anyone can compile vmh from nmh-1.4-RC2? Form me it gives a > lot of errors. If it had compiled cleanly for you, we would have been collectively astounded and amazed, as I don't think that code has actually compiled on a computer with a compile toolchain from this century. pgpJB9SmBECou.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
AM wrote: > I am new at the list. Sorry for direct (and perhaps stupid) > question. > > Does anyone can compile vmh from nmh-1.4-RC2? Form me it gives a > lot of errors. > > I read at list archive that in nmh there is something like vmh. > This what I need, ncurses interface to nmh, but it is not a part > of debian nhm package and does not compile. Difficult to test... vmh hasn't been supported for years. We just yesterday removed it from nmh, so it won't be in future releases unless someone wants to resurrect it. If you're looking for a visual front end and use emacs, mh-e is worth looking at. David ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
[Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
I am new at the list. Sorry for direct (and perhaps stupid) question. Does anyone can compile vmh from nmh-1.4-RC2? Form me it gives a lot of errors. I read at list archive that in nmh there is something like vmh. This what I need, ncurses interface to nmh, but it is not a part of debian nhm package and does not compile. Difficult to test... AM ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
On 12/25/2011 7:44 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > On 2011-12-25, at 9:07 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: > >> i'm not lyndon but i think his branch can be made to inherit your >> deletions and that he should do this. > I am trying to structure my commits so as to make it easy for people to 'git > cherry-pick' patches that are also applicable to the head. that seems less useful. can we quickly get the posix changes into the mainline and not have a lot of merge trauma? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
On 12/25/2011 7:41 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > msh links against vmhsbr.o. Before killing those files we need to extract > whatever msh needs and move it into msh.c can we... not? put all the sbr stuff into a .a and link everything against that. note, this isn't the same as librification, where we define a decent mh-independent API for unix mail tools, make a .so out of that, and use it in preference to our own internal versions of the similar logic. ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
Lyndon wrote:
> On 2011-12-25, at 9:00 AM, David Levine wrote:
>
> > It's time, I think, to remove vmh.c. If someone wants it
> > they can get it from nmh 1.4 or prior. These files can
> > be removed:
> >
> > h/vmhsbr.h
> > uip/vmhsbr.c
>
> msh links against vmhsbr.o. Before killing those files we need to
> extract whatever msh needs and move it into msh.c
I tripped over that. I just left vmhsbr.{h,c}. I don't use msh
and don't want to risk breaking it.
I didn't touch sbr/, it can wait until your changes are merged to
the master.
David
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Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
On 2011-12-25, at 9:07 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: > i'm not lyndon but i think his branch can be made to inherit your > deletions and that he should do this. I am trying to structure my commits so as to make it easy for people to 'git cherry-pick' patches that are also applicable to the head. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
On 2011-12-25, at 9:00 AM, David Levine wrote: > It's time, I think, to remove vmh.c. If someone wants it > they can get it from nmh 1.4 or prior. These files can > be removed: > > h/vmhsbr.h > uip/vmhsbr.c msh links against vmhsbr.o. Before killing those files we need to extract whatever msh needs and move it into msh.c --lyndon signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
On 2011-12-25, at 9:00 AM, David Levine wrote: > Lyndon, should I remove on the posix branch also or stay out > of your way? Keep out! That's my new POSIXify work branch ;-) I will be nuking the files you mentioned as part of my cleanup. --lyndon signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
On 12/25/2011 5:00 PM, David Levine wrote: > Lyndon wrote, over a year ago: > >> Out of general curiosity, have any of you actually used vmh to >> read/send mail? >> >> I was always curious why MH would include a curses client, and every >> once in a while the fit takes me to try it. In 25 years I've never >> been able to make it do anything more than complain about my terminal >> being too stupid to run on. >> >> Maybe there is someone out there who knows someone who knows someone >> who saw it run once ... i ran vmh for a summer, in about 1986, on a symmetric s/375. later i discovered mh-e. > ... > > Any objection to removing all of this? That snfprintf.c is > Apache licensed so should definitely go. i realize that silence would be assent, but i just want to say, ok by me to nuke all of that. > Lyndon, should I remove on the posix branch also or stay out > of your way? i'm not lyndon but i think his branch can be made to inherit your deletions and that he should do this. ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
[Nmh-workers] vmh and other unused files
Lyndon wrote, over a year ago: > Out of general curiosity, have any of you actually used vmh to > read/send mail? > > I was always curious why MH would include a curses client, and every > once in a while the fit takes me to try it. In 25 years I've never > been able to make it do anything more than complain about my terminal > being too stupid to run on. > > Maybe there is someone out there who knows someone who knows someone > who saw it run once ... It's time, I think, to remove vmh.c. If someone wants it they can get it from nmh 1.4 or prior. These files can be removed: h/vmhsbr.h uip/vmh.c uip/vmhsbr.c uip/vmhtest.c man/vmh.man plus references in these: h/Makefile.in man/Makefile.in uip/Makefile.in config.h.in Also: uip/wmh.c -Windowing MH for Integrated Solutions Graphics Workstations; not standardly installed for now since requires special load libraries [and header files] Also, these files are unused, at least on POSIX platforms: sbr/memmove.c sbr/snprintf.c sbr/strdup.c sbr/strerror.c Any objection to removing all of this? That snfprintf.c is Apache licensed so should definitely go. Lyndon, should I remove on the posix branch also or stay out of your way? David ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
