Re: [Nmh-workers] Email access while traveling?
Kevin Cosgrove kev...@cosgroves.us writes: What do you all do to access your email while traveling? Hi Kevin. I have three options: 1. If I have my laptop with me, then the normal thing happens (fetchmail gets the mail from my IMAP server). 2. Otherwise, I use K9 on my phone to read the mail from my IMAP server. I've set the preferences to always send a cc of all outgoing messages to myself so that I can manually file them in +outbox when I'm back on my laptop. 3. I installed squirrelmail on my IMAP server, so alternatively I can use that to read mail in a web browser. -- Bill Wohler woh...@newt.com aka bill.woh...@nasa.gov http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Email access while traveling?
On 24 October 2012 at 7:56, ra...@hep.wisc.edu wrote: i think an ssh + mh-v on a laptop is a decent replacement for Exmh. mh-v ??? someday i'll probably make ssh + mh-v work well on driod (won't take much work) but so far i've avoided owning/wanting a smart phone. It took me a long time too. As an nmh user you can tell how much of an early adopter I am.;-) The smart phone pricing just dropped enough that it's on par with a replacement for my dying dumb phone. (in fact the impending smart phone and/or tablet doom was partial motivation for writing mh-v.) i also use a browser + shellinabox + mh (e.g. from campus kiosks) from time to time. shellinabox looks pretty good. another thing: when mostly-disconnected, i cron the inc'ing of new mail and send the output 4x per day. then i mostly just glance at the inc output when i do get a few minutes on-line. Thanks -- Kevin ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Email access while traveling?
i think an ssh + mh-v on a laptop is a decent replacement for Exmh. mh-v ??? MH-V - an exmh-like interface for MH/nmh mail with GTK+ colors and Vim key bindings [written in perl using perl-Curses] Yes, it's mysterious. Google nmh mh-v and fishing around in the archives might get ya to... http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/nmh-workers/2012-01/msg00216.html and... http://www.hep.wisc.edu/~rader/mh-v/ Have been using it 40, 60 hrs/wk since I ditched EXMH in late Dec 2011. Roughly 25k msgs received and 4k msgs sent. Started as a lark after barely getting vmh to compile/work on linux, having EXMH getting annoyingly long in the tooth, and realizing modern curses supports 256 color xterms. Have never got around to saying there's 1.0 version now. Oh, well, the user base is probably less than two. steve -- ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Email access while traveling?
i think an ssh + mh-v on a laptop is a decent replacement for Exmh. someday i'll probably make ssh + mh-v work well on driod (won't take much work) but so far i've avoided owning/wanting a smart phone. (in fact the impending smart phone and/or tablet doom was partial motivation for writing mh-v.) i also use a browser + shellinabox + mh (e.g. from campus kiosks) from time to time. another thing: when mostly-disconnected, i cron the inc'ing of new mail and send the output 4x per day. then i mostly just glance at the inc output when i do get a few minutes on-line. steve -- From: Kevin Cosgrove kev...@cosgroves.us What do you all do to access your email while traveling? I just got an Android phone. I would like to be able to get at my email on my home server, stored in MH message files. I've used nmh and exmh for years. Access from remote locations requires SSH and X11, which means that I usually need a remote *nux system. The easiest work-around option for me is to forward email from selected important individuals to a gmail account, where I can deal with it using the phone. I'd really prefer full operability between my phone and my home email. But, I don't know how to do that. I haven't looked for an nmh-droid app. If there is such a thing, I would bet that someone on this list wrote it. What do you people do in such circumstances? Thanks -- Kevin ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Email access while traveling?
someday i'll probably make ssh + mh-v work well on driod (won't take much work) ... .? driod == droid, as in Android, the popular OS for phones and tablets. I realize that Google is little help for mh-v; Google says it's the Mid-Hudson Valley Federal Credit Union, MyHealthVet, or a minature high-voltage connector. But here's a message which explains a bit more: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/nmh-workers/2012-01/msg00216.html --Ken ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
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Jerrad Pierce belg4...@pthbb.org wrote: JP It's definitely practical on a tablet, Hacker's Keyboard + JP ConnectBot is very usable. TerminalEmualtor + debian chroot is even better. BEST: you can install emacs + NMH on the tablet. I have replaced my 8-year old Thinkpad with an ASUS TF300 (rooted with CM10 within hours of receipt). I'm on a train typing this email on it. (Yes, train has wifi, but even if it was reliable, the latency sucks for interactive stuff due to excessive FEC on the backhaul radio channel) I have a desktop computer at home, and at work. They are debian machines with basically an identical install as I used to have on my laptop (which used to travel back and forth with me in my saddlebag) This is what I do. For regular use, I ssh into my home system from the office and run gnuclient -nw in a window. That's my email window. I use gnome-terminal which lets me click on links and have them open up locally. okay, I lose some of the beauty of a full Xemacs21. I keep thinking that sshfs with appropriate caching ought to give me something lose to what AFS and NFSv4 had always promised (but I never saw), and let me run nmh locally, but so far it's not the case. Then I could also run exmh, which I remember fondly, but gave up, once I realized that I spent 75% of email time in emacs anyway. I fetch my gmail, sandelman.ca, credil.org and accounts from my CREDIL sponsor employers locally with fetchmail+rcvmail recipe. I don't run this from cron or anything... that's based up the theory that email shouldn't interrupt you, so I invoke it to poll when I have idle cycles. For irregular out-and-about I have both my tablet and my Android G2 setup to poll gmail. Only things that go to gmail is generally nagios stuff. I use the Google GMAIL app for that, and tell it to leave email on server. I also use the stock Email (K9 on tablet) to talk POP3 with leave email on server option against my inbox(es). This lets me see important email over 3G if I want to. I have told those clients not to poll or interrupt me. I built a new mail server a few months ago, and I installed cyrus IMAP before I realized that it didn't do MH folders. I will likely install IW-IMAP on my desktop system for remote access to folders. -- Michael Richardson -on the road- ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
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Ken Hornstein k...@pobox.com wrote: One problem I have more and more often with running nmh in a terminal is that people and systems frequently send messages encoded as html or in the Microsoft variant of quoted-printable. Neither of these is very usable in my terminal windows. I think that's likely because I haven't kept up on my MIME definitions in my MHN config file. Maybe I should unhook all my stale stuff and see what the latest version of nmh (which I'm running) can do with these formats. KH So that's actually something I want to tackle for 1.6 (or 2.0, KH whatever we decide to do it). mhshow actually tries to KH decode MIME stuff; I want to give it some more intelligence +1 from me. This bites me most when I'm on my phone, and I'm trying to look at something from archives... Even if it's not quoted-printed, if the charset doesn't match, then I wind up resorting to less Mail/foo/bar/45.. -- Michael Richardson -on the road- ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Email access while traveling?
On 2012-10-23, at 12:56 PM, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: I'd really prefer full operability between my phone and my home email. But, I don't know how to do that. I haven't looked for an nmh-droid app. If there is such a thing, I would bet that someone on this list wrote it. What do you people do in such circumstances? About the best you can do is install the UW-IMAP server and configure it to run against your MH message store. Note that this is not perfect, as UW-IMAP doesn't get all the MH folder semantics right, but it's functional enough to be useful. (I forget what the limitations of the #mh driver are. If you use this, don't mix command line and IMAP access if you can help it.) The only other real alternative is to install an ssh client on your device and remotely log in. This is not practical on a phone, but might be workable on a tablet. --lyndon ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
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It's definitely practical on a tablet, Hacker's Keyboard + ConnectBot is very usable. ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
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You wrote: What do you people do in such circumstances? I simply do ssh from my phone. I have a Nokia N900 which has a hardware keyboard and even comes with an xterm application. With Android, you should be able to get a terminal and ssh client. You might also want to put an alias in .ssh/config so e.g. ssh h will ssh to home. I also have aliases to keep MH commands short - h for scan, n for next, a plain number to show a message etc. You can also put putty on a memory stick for use from Windows PCs. I would sooner install something like ajaxterm and a web server than run IMAP or squirrelmail or something. Oliver ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
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On 23 October 2012 at 22:23, Oliver Kiddle okid...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Kevin wrote: What do you people do in such circumstances? I simply do ssh from my phone. I have a Nokia N900 which has a hardware keyboard and even comes with an xterm application. With Android, you should be able to get a terminal and ssh client. I will look into getting SSH to work from my phone. I have to wonder how useful a terminal is with such a tiny keyboard, and mine is bigger than many on my Razr M You might also want to put an alias in .ssh/config so e.g. ssh h will ssh to home. Seems like a good idea. I also have aliases to keep MH commands short - h for scan, n for next, a plain number to show a message etc. Fair enough. You can also put putty on a memory stick for use from Windows PCs. I'm suppose traveling with a USB stick is one small price I pay for avoiding Windows. I would sooner install something like ajaxterm and a web server than run IMAP or squirrelmail or something. I've looked at ajaxterm when Linux Journal had an article on that. It seems promising. One problem I have more and more often with running nmh in a terminal is that people and systems frequently send messages encoded as html or in the Microsoft variant of quoted-printable. Neither of these is very usable in my terminal windows. I think that's likely because I haven't kept up on my MIME definitions in my MHN config file. Maybe I should unhook all my stale stuff and see what the latest version of nmh (which I'm running) can do with these formats. Thanks for the suggestions -- Kevin ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
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On 23 October 2012 at 13:05, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: On 2012-10-23, at 12:56 PM, Kevin Cosgrove wrote: I'd really prefer full operability between my phone and my home email. But, I don't know how to do that. What do you people do in such circumstances? About the best you can do is install the UW-IMAP server and configure it to run against your MH message store. Note that this is not perfect, as UW-IMAP doesn't get all the MH folder semantics right, but it's functional enough to be useful. (I forget what the limitations of the #mh driver are. If you use this, don't mix command line and IMAP access if you can help it.) I'll bet that exmh use counts as command line use in your above scenario. That restriction would likely rule this out for me. I could tolerate the restriction that I use only UW-IMAP while traveling, and avoid UW-IMAP entirely while home. The only other real alternative is to install an ssh client on your device and remotely log in. This is not practical on a phone, but might be workable on a tablet. Yes, I just tried ConnectBot. It works very well. But, the 1-point font equivalent doesn't seem all that workable. Maybe I could get a pair of brain surgeon binoculars. A tablet would be much better for this use. Thanks! -- Kevin ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
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kevin wrote: One problem I have more and more often with running nmh in a terminal is that people and systems frequently send messages encoded as html or in the Microsoft variant of quoted-printable. Neither of these is very usable in my terminal windows. I think that's likely because I haven't kept up on my MIME definitions in my MHN config file. Maybe I should unhook all my stale stuff and see what the latest version of nmh (which I'm running) can do with these formats. i deal with those with a couple of wrappers. my normal mhn.defaults file excludes a rule for text/html, to force mh to dislay plain text if it's available. if i need to see the html, i use either phtml or phtml_dump, to run a text browser on the message -- which of those i use depends on whether i want a live text browser or just a text dump of the contents (since sometimes i want to see the footnote-style link display of the dump format). phtml: echo mhshow-show-text/html: %p/usr/bin/links -force-html '%F' /tmp/mhn.conf MHSHOW=/tmp/mhn.conf mhshow $* phtml_dump: echo mhshow-show-text/html: %p/usr/bin/lynx -verbose -force_html '%F' -dump | less /tmp/mhn.conf MHSHOW=$Mail/mhn_dump.conf mhshow $* (i'm not sure why one of those uses links and the other lynx. oh well.) paul =- paul fox, p...@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 55.9 degrees) ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Email access while traveling?
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:56:10 -0700, Kevin Cosgrove said: What do you all do to access your email while traveling? I use fetchmail/procmail to suck my mail down from my e-mail provider to my laptop. And then I just take m laptop with me. :) pgpvrxNE5aXOU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
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I haven't looked for an nmh-droid app. If there is such a thing, I would bet that someone on this list wrote it. What do you people do in such circumstances? I do something strange; I use AFS to access the same set of mail folders whereever I am (I call it a poor man's IMAP). Works reasonably well. There actually is an AFS client for the iPhone, which doesn't help you on Android. Also, I can't imagine really how you'd use nmh on something like a phone; those clients are specialized. In a perfect world nmh would have IMAP support built-in and you'd just access the same folders with two different clients. But that's a pile of work that no one has yet really tried to tackle. Barring that Lyndon's suggestion is probably the most practical one. --Ken ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
Re: [Nmh-workers] Email access while traveling?
One problem I have more and more often with running nmh in a terminal is that people and systems frequently send messages encoded as html or in the Microsoft variant of quoted-printable. Neither of these is very usable in my terminal windows. I think that's likely because I haven't kept up on my MIME definitions in my MHN config file. Maybe I should unhook all my stale stuff and see what the latest version of nmh (which I'm running) can do with these formats. So that's actually something I want to tackle for 1.6 (or 2.0, whatever we decide to do it). mhshow actually tries to decode MIME stuff; I want to give it some more intelligence when it comes to dealing with things like multipart/alternative (actually, I think mhshow should disappear and should simply be replaced by a better show). Also ... it occurs to me that you could use replyfilter as a basis to do better MIME display stuff with 1.5. --Ken ___ Nmh-workers mailing list Nmh-workers@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers
