[PR] Add justinmclean to advisor list [comdev-working-groups]
justinmclean opened a new pull request, #31: URL: https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/31 (no comment) -- This is an automated message from the Apache Git Service. To respond to the message, please log on to GitHub and use the URL above to go to the specific comment. To unsubscribe, e-mail: notifications-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For queries about this service, please contact Infrastructure at: us...@infra.apache.org
[PR] Add Calvin Kirs(kirs) to advisor list [comdev-working-groups]
CalvinKirs opened a new pull request, #30: URL: https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/30 (no comment) -- This is an automated message from the Apache Git Service. To respond to the message, please log on to GitHub and use the URL above to go to the specific comment. To unsubscribe, e-mail: notifications-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For queries about this service, please contact Infrastructure at: us...@infra.apache.org
Re: [PR] Propose "why" explanation on discussions and decision making [comdev-working-groups]
justinmclean commented on code in PR #29: URL: https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/29#discussion_r1520601586 ## wg-advisors/why/why_discussions_and_decisions.md: ## @@ -1,13 +1,77 @@ # Why discussion and decision making had to happen on the mailing list -TODO: - ## Summary +Discussions and decision making should happen on the mailing list to ensure that the project is +transparent and that all decisions are made in the open. This is important to ensure that all +community members have the opportunity to participate in the decision making process. + ## Links to relevant documents +* [The Apache Way](https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/) +* [Mailing list guidelines](https://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html) + ## Why are we doing it? +Mailing list the primary communication channel for the project. It has been chosen - at the dawn of the +Foundation as the primary communication channel because it was the most inclusive and accessible channel +for all community members, allowing for asynchronous communication and ensuring that all community members +have the opportunity to participate. All the important decisions and discussions happens there - including +the decision to invite new committers and PMC members, the decisions to release software, and the decisions +to change the project's direction. Review Comment: Also filtered or grouped by rules. -- This is an automated message from the Apache Git Service. To respond to the message, please log on to GitHub and use the URL above to go to the specific comment. To unsubscribe, e-mail: notifications-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For queries about this service, please contact Infrastructure at: us...@infra.apache.org
Re: [PR] Propose "why" explanation on discussions and decision making [comdev-working-groups]
sebbASF commented on code in PR #29: URL: https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/29#discussion_r1520598309 ## wg-advisors/why/why_discussions_and_decisions.md: ## @@ -1,13 +1,77 @@ # Why discussion and decision making had to happen on the mailing list -TODO: - ## Summary +Discussions and decision making should happen on the mailing list to ensure that the project is +transparent and that all decisions are made in the open. This is important to ensure that all +community members have the opportunity to participate in the decision making process. + ## Links to relevant documents +* [The Apache Way](https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/) +* [Mailing list guidelines](https://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html) + ## Why are we doing it? +Mailing list the primary communication channel for the project. It has been chosen - at the dawn of the +Foundation as the primary communication channel because it was the most inclusive and accessible channel +for all community members, allowing for asynchronous communication and ensuring that all community members +have the opportunity to participate. All the important decisions and discussions happens there - including +the decision to invite new committers and PMC members, the decisions to release software, and the decisions +to change the project's direction. Review Comment: Most mail clients also allow emails to be easily categorised -- This is an automated message from the Apache Git Service. To respond to the message, please log on to GitHub and use the URL above to go to the specific comment. To unsubscribe, e-mail: notifications-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For queries about this service, please contact Infrastructure at: us...@infra.apache.org
Re: [PR] Propose "why" explanation on discussions and decision making [comdev-working-groups]
justinmclean commented on code in PR #29: URL: https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/29#discussion_r1520571314 ## wg-advisors/why/why_discussions_and_decisions.md: ## @@ -1,13 +1,77 @@ # Why discussion and decision making had to happen on the mailing list -TODO: - ## Summary +Discussions and decision making should happen on the mailing list to ensure that the project is +transparent and that all decisions are made in the open. This is important to ensure that all +community members have the opportunity to participate in the decision making process. + ## Links to relevant documents +* [The Apache Way](https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/) +* [Mailing list guidelines](https://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html) + ## Why are we doing it? +Mailing list the primary communication channel for the project. It has been chosen - at the dawn of the +Foundation as the primary communication channel because it was the most inclusive and accessible channel +for all community members, allowing for asynchronous communication and ensuring that all community members +have the opportunity to participate. All the important decisions and discussions happens there - including +the decision to invite new committers and PMC members, the decisions to release software, and the decisions +to change the project's direction. + +Why the time passed and technology evolved, the mailing list still keep a lot of the properties that made it +the primary communication channel for the project. It is still the most inclusive and accessible channel for +all community members, they allow for asynchronous communication and do not require from the community members +to be online at the same time and to setup accounts with particular external services. + +They also provide a permanent record of the discussions and decisions and the Apache Software Foundation +Infrastructure team makes sure that the archives are preserved and available for the future, including the +ability to search and browse the archives, as well as permanently link to the discussions and decisions so +that they can be always referred to in the future. + +The communication on mailing list happens in English, which is the language of the Foundation, +and the language of the majority of the Foundation's community members. + +An important aspect of using the mailing list is that it allows anyone (including PMC members, committers, +contributors, and users, but also people from outside - Board members, other PMCs, non-ASF folks) to take +a look at the way how decisions are made and even participate in the discussions and decisions, and to +peek into the PMC status. This is important for the Foundation's transparency and for the community building +process. + +PMCs have at least two lists: dev@ and private@ - but it is important to mention that the private@ list should +only be used for discussions that are absolutely not suitable for public consumption, such as discussions +about security vulnerabilities, or discussions about individuals that are not suitable for public consumption +and should be kept private. The private@ list should not be used for discussions about the project's direction, +releases, or other important decisions. Review Comment: One possible exception is discussing/voting on a release with a security issue. ## wg-advisors/why/why_discussions_and_decisions.md: ## @@ -1,13 +1,77 @@ # Why discussion and decision making had to happen on the mailing list -TODO: - ## Summary +Discussions and decision making should happen on the mailing list to ensure that the project is +transparent and that all decisions are made in the open. This is important to ensure that all +community members have the opportunity to participate in the decision making process. + ## Links to relevant documents +* [The Apache Way](https://www.apache.org/theapacheway/) +* [Mailing list guidelines](https://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html) + ## Why are we doing it? +Mailing list the primary communication channel for the project. It has been chosen - at the dawn of the +Foundation as the primary communication channel because it was the most inclusive and accessible channel +for all community members, allowing for asynchronous communication and ensuring that all community members +have the opportunity to participate. All the important decisions and discussions happens there - including +the decision to invite new committers and PMC members, the decisions to release software, and the decisions +to change the project's direction. Review Comment: Other good reasons for using mailing lists are that they are accessible to everyone in any country, can be archived, are easily searchable, and are asynchronous, so anyone can take part no matter their time zone/day job/other responsibilities. I can see They also have far more information density than online chat or som
[PR] Propose "why" explanation on discussions and decision making [comdev-working-groups]
potiuk opened a new pull request, #29: URL: https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/29 This change is a proposal on how we could describe the next "why" that I consider as very important - discussions and decision making. I tried to map all the red-flags we had for it into a coherent description of the "why" and linked to the two important places in the ASF "rules" that best describe some of the aspects of it. I think the part of the variations might be contentious, and I hope that in the advisors "leaders" group we can discuss it and get to a consensus that a) there are good reasons why the mailing lists were chosen in the long past b) the reasons for that are still valid today and mailing list shoud remoain the most important place for discussions and decision making while c) with the current set of technologies in many cases it is not the only way, but as long as PMC actively makes sure that the important discussions and decisions (and generally only those in more active projects) are brought to the list and where list is active and used for all the voting, super important decisions, this is all cool Looking forward to discussion here. -- This is an automated message from the Apache Git Service. To respond to the message, please log on to GitHub and use the URL above to go to the specific comment. To unsubscribe, e-mail: notifications-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For queries about this service, please contact Infrastructure at: us...@infra.apache.org
Re: [PR] typos, and add tenet statements [comdev-working-groups]
rbowen merged PR #28: URL: https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/28 -- This is an automated message from the Apache Git Service. To respond to the message, please log on to GitHub and use the URL above to go to the specific comment. To unsubscribe, e-mail: notifications-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For queries about this service, please contact Infrastructure at: us...@infra.apache.org
[PR] typos, and add tenet statements [comdev-working-groups]
rbowen opened a new pull request, #28: URL: https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/28 (no comment) -- This is an automated message from the Apache Git Service. To respond to the message, please log on to GitHub and use the URL above to go to the specific comment. To unsubscribe, e-mail: notifications-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For queries about this service, please contact Infrastructure at: us...@infra.apache.org
Re: [PR] Restructure the red flags and add placeholders for more whys [comdev-working-groups]
rbowen merged PR #27: URL: https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/27 -- This is an automated message from the Apache Git Service. To respond to the message, please log on to GitHub and use the URL above to go to the specific comment. To unsubscribe, e-mail: notifications-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For queries about this service, please contact Infrastructure at: us...@infra.apache.org