[NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples

2011-11-27 Thread Anthony Robb
   Hello Kevin
   First off, I'm assuming you mean tube and not rod? I follow Mike
   Nelson's advice on this and use model aircraft aluminium fuel tubing
   - 4mm internal, 4.75mm external diameters.
   This is very easily cut to length with a large scalpel/sharp Stanley
   knife ( simply roll it with the blade to score it then carefully snap
   the piece off).
   It is also very easy to shape but be gentle with the metal former
   otherwise the edges of the staple end can be pushed outwards making it
   impossible to get a good seating for the cane slip(s).
   Hope this helps.
   Anthony
   From: Kevin tilb...@yahoo.com
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   Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 3:33 PM
   Subject: [NSP] 4mm or 6mm staples
 Hi to All,
 can any one advise me what size staples to buy for making NSP chanter
 reeds?
 in my local D.I.Y. there are brass rods of 4mm or 6mm, but i read in
   my
 booklet on making reeds that it is 3/16th (imperial) and my chart
   says
 3/16th is 4mm. so what do i go for? is 6mm too big or is 4 too small?
 can one get 5mm rods now?
 any advice on what to buy.
 thanks
 kevin
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[NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples

2011-11-27 Thread Barry Say

Anthony Robb wrote:

- 4mm internal, 4.75mm external diameters.


That is as near as d*mn*t  5/32 id and 3/16 od which is the size of 
brass tube I use. So no argument there.


Personally, I suspect this fuel tube originates in the US where, 
thankfully, the traditional sizes are  alive and kicking.


Barry



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[NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples

2011-11-27 Thread Francis Wood
Colin's interesting account of making staples from sheet metal is a very good 
reminder that this was the staple [pun unavoidable] method of making staples 
for historical reeds - they generally relied on the binding to keep them 
airtight. 

No reason why that shouldn't work perfectly well today, although many of todays 
tins are corrugated. However, the easiest source of tube fit for the job is 
brass or (cheaper) aluminium tube from the nearest model shop. Quite often this 
stuff is sourced from the US and though it may have nominal metric sizes, is 
often actually imperial with a 5/32 (4mm) internal diameter and a 3/16 
(4.76mm) exterior.

I think some experimentation and variation on the standard recommended 
dimensions would be really good (is anyone already doing this?) and the hand 
-rolled staple may be an excellent way of doing this.

A final word in praise of the NPS Forum and its 'Pipe making and Maintenance' 
area - which is a really good place for following and preserving  discussions 
like the present one.

Francis







On 27 Nov 2011, at 16:51, cwhill wrote:

 3/16 is 4.76mm (so very near to 5mm) so I presume you meant that and
 should you downsize to 4 or try for a 5mm tube?
 Personally, I made my staples from a Fray Bentos pie tin lid as brass
 tubing was hard to get back then so never had to buy any (it worked -
 paint side out - as I had a drill the right size to mould it around.
 That was what was in my instruction book - along with getting reed cane
 from old flower baskets!).
 Current reed makers must have gone metric by now so they should know.
 Yes, you can get 5mm
 http://www.metalsmith.co.uk/metals-materials.htm
 BT5 on that page 500mm for £2.60
 Do note that the size is external diameter so the internal bore is
 actually 4mm
 Unfortunately I don't know what your instruction book means by 3/16
 (internal or external).
 
 
 Colin Hill
 
 
 On 27/11/2011 15:33, Kevin wrote:
Hi to All,
can any one advise me what size staples to buy for making NSP chanter
reeds?
in my local D.I.Y. there are brass rods of 4mm or 6mm, but i read in my
 
booklet on making reeds that it is 3/16th (imperial) and my chart says
3/16th is 4mm. so what do i go for? is 6mm too big or is 4 too small?
can one get 5mm rods now?
any advice on what to buy.
thanks
kevin
 
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