[NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples
Hi To All, many thanks to all who wrote. i will give the 4mm rod a try as it is the closes i can get to 4.76mm. since it might be a little narrow, will i have t compensate in the length or the width of the reed when making it? or is the difference to small to make a real difference? in time i will order the right rod from the model shops which you have kindly sent me, but for now i will have a go with the local brass rods. many thanks, kevin __ From: Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com To: cwhill cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2011, 18:26 Subject: [NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples Colin's interesting account of making staples from sheet metal is a very good reminder that this was the staple [pun unavoidable] method of making staples for historical reeds - they generally relied on the binding to keep them airtight. No reason why that shouldn't work perfectly well today, although many of todays tins are corrugated. However, the easiest source of tube fit for the job is brass or (cheaper) aluminium tube from the nearest model shop. Quite often this stuff is sourced from the US and though it may have nominal metric sizes, is often actually imperial with a 5/32 (4mm) internal diameter and a 3/16 (4.76mm) exterior. I think some experimentation and variation on the standard recommended dimensions would be really good (is anyone already doing this?) and the hand -rolled staple may be an excellent way of doing this. A final word in praise of the NPS Forum and its 'Pipe making and Maintenance' area - which is a really good place for following and preserving discussions like the present one. Francis On 27 Nov 2011, at 16:51, cwhill wrote: 3/16 is 4.76mm (so very near to 5mm) so I presume you meant that and should you downsize to 4 or try for a 5mm tube? Personally, I made my staples from a Fray Bentos pie tin lid as brass tubing was hard to get back then so never had to buy any (it worked - paint side out - as I had a drill the right size to mould it around. That was what was in my instruction book - along with getting reed cane from old flower baskets!). Current reed makers must have gone metric by now so they should know. Yes, you can get 5mm [1]http://www.metalsmith.co.uk/metals-materials.htm BT5 on that page 500mm for -L-2.60 Do note that the size is external diameter so the internal bore is actually 4mm Unfortunately I don't know what your instruction book means by 3/16 (internal or external). Colin Hill On 27/11/2011 15:33, Kevin wrote: Hi to All, can any one advise me what size staples to buy for making NSP chanter reeds? in my local D.I.Y. there are brass rods of 4mm or 6mm, but i read in my booklet on making reeds that it is 3/16th (imperial) and my chart says 3/16th is 4mm. so what do i go for? is 6mm too big or is 4 too small? can one get 5mm rods now? any advice on what to buy. thanks kevin -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 -- References 1. http://www.metalsmith.co.uk/metals-materials.htm 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples
Hello Kevin First off, I'm assuming you mean tube and not rod? I follow Mike Nelson's advice on this and use model aircraft aluminium fuel tubing - 4mm internal, 4.75mm external diameters. This is very easily cut to length with a large scalpel/sharp Stanley knife ( simply roll it with the blade to score it then carefully snap the piece off). It is also very easy to shape but be gentle with the metal former otherwise the edges of the staple end can be pushed outwards making it impossible to get a good seating for the cane slip(s). Hope this helps. Anthony From: Kevin tilb...@yahoo.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 3:33 PM Subject: [NSP] 4mm or 6mm staples Hi to All, can any one advise me what size staples to buy for making NSP chanter reeds? in my local D.I.Y. there are brass rods of 4mm or 6mm, but i read in my booklet on making reeds that it is 3/16th (imperial) and my chart says 3/16th is 4mm. so what do i go for? is 6mm too big or is 4 too small? can one get 5mm rods now? any advice on what to buy. thanks kevin -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples
Anthony Robb wrote: - 4mm internal, 4.75mm external diameters. That is as near as d*mn*t 5/32 id and 3/16 od which is the size of brass tube I use. So no argument there. Personally, I suspect this fuel tube originates in the US where, thankfully, the traditional sizes are alive and kicking. Barry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: 4mm or 6mm staples
Colin's interesting account of making staples from sheet metal is a very good reminder that this was the staple [pun unavoidable] method of making staples for historical reeds - they generally relied on the binding to keep them airtight. No reason why that shouldn't work perfectly well today, although many of todays tins are corrugated. However, the easiest source of tube fit for the job is brass or (cheaper) aluminium tube from the nearest model shop. Quite often this stuff is sourced from the US and though it may have nominal metric sizes, is often actually imperial with a 5/32 (4mm) internal diameter and a 3/16 (4.76mm) exterior. I think some experimentation and variation on the standard recommended dimensions would be really good (is anyone already doing this?) and the hand -rolled staple may be an excellent way of doing this. A final word in praise of the NPS Forum and its 'Pipe making and Maintenance' area - which is a really good place for following and preserving discussions like the present one. Francis On 27 Nov 2011, at 16:51, cwhill wrote: 3/16 is 4.76mm (so very near to 5mm) so I presume you meant that and should you downsize to 4 or try for a 5mm tube? Personally, I made my staples from a Fray Bentos pie tin lid as brass tubing was hard to get back then so never had to buy any (it worked - paint side out - as I had a drill the right size to mould it around. That was what was in my instruction book - along with getting reed cane from old flower baskets!). Current reed makers must have gone metric by now so they should know. Yes, you can get 5mm http://www.metalsmith.co.uk/metals-materials.htm BT5 on that page 500mm for £2.60 Do note that the size is external diameter so the internal bore is actually 4mm Unfortunately I don't know what your instruction book means by 3/16 (internal or external). Colin Hill On 27/11/2011 15:33, Kevin wrote: Hi to All, can any one advise me what size staples to buy for making NSP chanter reeds? in my local D.I.Y. there are brass rods of 4mm or 6mm, but i read in my booklet on making reeds that it is 3/16th (imperial) and my chart says 3/16th is 4mm. so what do i go for? is 6mm too big or is 4 too small? can one get 5mm rods now? any advice on what to buy. thanks kevin -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4641 - Release Date: 11/26/11