[NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin)
I'd agree completely about this record. Lovely! I must dig it out again. The precision is what marks it out from a lot of lesser performances, Irish or from wherever. John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Robb Sent: 07 January 2011 15:35 To: Dartmouth NPS Subject: [NSP] Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin) If any UP fans haven't heard this album or others want to know more, it was released 31 years ago but has been redone on CD and is available at Amazon: (for UK readers) [1]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doublin-Paddy-Glackin/dp/B4SCTK/ref=sr_1 _4?ie=UTF8&qid=1294413475&sr=8-4 This review just about sums it up: Take two stunning musicians at the height of their powers, let them play a heap of the best tunes ever and this is what you get. Hell-for-leather playing, utterly precise, gives the cleanest example I know of how exciting Irish traditional music can be. It also my favourity version of Paddy Keenan playing the Bucks of Oranmore, which is heart stopping. Pure music - great for learning tunes from, or convincing doubters how good the music can be. Not my words but exactly my sentiments. Cheers Anthony -- References 1. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doublin-Paddy-Glackin/dp/B4SCTK/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1294413475&sr=8-4 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin)
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Gibbons, John <[1]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk> wrote: I'd agree completely about this record. Lovely! I must dig it out again. The precision is what marks it out from a lot of lesser performances, Irish or from wherever. I am so relieved that peace has broken out. I was especially worried after Anthony's "Yes drones are wonderful and powerful but this power can also be, and all too often is, destructive." which reminded me that drones, like the nuclear force which binds everything together, might, if mishandled, lead to some Chernobyl-type musical meltdown scenario. And I love the Glackin & Keenan record too, I haven't heard it for ages but it used to really fire me up, it has The Juice. A Guid New Year to all from fair Teviotdale -- References 1. mailto:j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin)
And I love the Glackin & Keenan record too, I haven't heard it for ages but it used to really fire me up, it has The Juice. (Matt) And at 8.99 GBP surely the best value music CD online this year!! Anthony PS John G is a sharp as a broken pisspot (as we say up/down here) and I enjoy our exchanges immensely. - --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Matt Seattle wrote: From: Matt Seattle Subject: [NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin) To: "Gibbons, John" Cc: "nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu" Date: Friday, 7 January, 2011, 18:23 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Gibbons, John <[1][1]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk> wrote: The precision is what marks it out from a lot of lesser performances, Irish or from wherever. I am so relieved that peace has broken out. I was especially worried after Anthony's "Yes drones are wonderful and powerful but this power can also be, and all too often is, destructive." which reminded me that drones, like the nuclear force which binds everything together, might, if mishandled, lead to some Chernobyl-type musical meltdown scenario. And I love the Glackin & Keenan record too, I haven't heard it for ages but it used to really fire me up, it has The Juice. A Guid New Year to all from fair Teviotdale -- References 1. mailto:[2]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk 2. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin)
Hello Matt I feel my comments need clarification, For the record, in general I think drones are fantastic, and used all 4 together: GDdg on the Whittingham/Glen Aln/Lads of Alnwick track on the WG album. I realize this is anachronistic for Lads aEUR| (also fairly tiring) but I think it works. Where drones can be destructive is when there is up to 70 cents difference between one player and the next and each tunes their own drones to their own chanter. The move away from the Reid dimensions by those makers aiming for concert pitched sets in F and the retention of that pattern by David Burleigh who has now provided 3000+ sets to the piping community means that this is often the case. If I have any control over the proceedings I tune one drone on each set of pipes to the mean (usually around F + 30) and then get each player to see if they can play acceptably against that drone if the answer is yes, I invite them to add a second drone if the answer is no, I ask them to switch the drone off. This means that in a gathering of pipers with a spread of pitch we usually get something pleasing to the ears. I would not dream of having a group of pipers playing/performing pipe tunes without drones but I would limit drone use in the interests of a pleasing drone hum (bees rather than angry wasps). And yes, this generally pleases others in the room too. (Thanks JG for making that point) Cheers Anthony --- On Fri, 7/1/11, Matt Seattle wrote: From: Matt Seattle Subject: [NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin) To: "Gibbons, John" Cc: "nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu" Date: Friday, 7 January, 2011, 18:23 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Gibbons, John <[1][1]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk> wrote: I'd agree completely about this record. Lovely! I must dig it out again. The precision is what marks it out from a lot of lesser performances, Irish or from wherever. I am so relieved that peace has broken out. I was especially worried after Anthony's "Yes drones are wonderful and powerful but this power can also be, and all too often is, destructive." which reminded me that drones, like the nuclear force which binds everything together, might, if mishandled, lead to some Chernobyl-type musical meltdown scenario. And I love the Glackin & Keenan record too, I haven't heard it for ages but it used to really fire me up, it has The Juice. A Guid New Year to all from fair Teviotdale -- References 1. mailto:[2]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk 2. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin)
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Anthony Robb <[1]anth...@robbpipes.com> wrote: I feel my comments need clarification, Where drones can be destructive is when there is up to 70 cents difference between one player and the next and each tunes their own drones to their own chanter. which sounds like my remark drones, like the nuclear force which binds everything together, might, if mishandled, lead to some Chernobyl-type musical meltdown scenario. We do not disagree. I suspect from other of your postings that we also converge on the dilemma that, as fiddlers, we know, on a near instinctive level, how to use our bow arm to play with whatever degree of lilt we wish, but as drone addicts, we experience the difficulty of transferring this to the pipes. Cheers Matt -- References 1. mailto:anth...@robbpipes.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin)
Matt Absolutely! Anthony --- On Sat, 8/1/11, Matt Seattle wrote: From: Matt Seattle Subject: [NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin) To: "Anthony Robb" Cc: "nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu" Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 11:10 On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Anthony Robb <[1][1]anth...@robbpipes.com> wrote: I feel my comments need clarification, Where drones can be destructive is when there is up to 70 cents difference between one player and the next and each tunes their own drones to their own chanter. which sounds like my remark drones, like the nuclear force which binds everything together, might, if mishandled, lead to some Chernobyl-type musical meltdown scenario. We do not disagree. I suspect from other of your postings that we also converge on the dilemma that, as fiddlers, we know, on a near instinctive level, how to use our bow arm to play with whatever degree of lilt we wish, but as drone addicts, we experience the difficulty of transferring this to the pipes. Cheers Matt -- References 1. mailto:[2]anth...@robbpipes.com To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=anth...@robbpipes.com 2. http://uk.mc5.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=anth...@robbpipes.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin)
A 70 cent divergence between one set of pipes and another is alarming! More than a third of a tone in old money. We are approaching the territory of that Irish flute player I mentioned. A tactful cull of the outliers might be a good idea - 'Your pipes are more suitable for solo playing' perhaps? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin)
Hello John
That is the extreme but it happens fairly regularly and if people have
signed up for a day's workshop (or longer) and have travelled some
distance that's the way I deal with it.
It has to be said that I do prefer the higher pitch sound
personally and so have 3 "F" chanters myself to cater for various
circumstances. This is not an option for many punters, hence my
pragmatic (some would say draconian) approach.
Cheers
Anthony
--- On Sat, 8/1/11, gibbonssoi...@aol.com
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From: gibbonssoi...@aol.com
Subject: [NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin)
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Saturday, 8 January, 2011, 14:03
A 70 cent divergence between one set of pipes and another is
alarming!
More than a third of a tone in old money.
We are approaching the territory of that Irish flute player I
mentioned.
A tactful cull of the outliers might be a good idea -
'Your pipes are more suitable for solo playing' perhaps?
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[NSP] Re: Doublin' (Keenan & Glackin)
'Your pipes are more suitable for solo playing' perhaps? nice! -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
