[NSP] Re: George Atkinson recordings

2008-09-17 Thread Christopher.Birch
  Has anyone had more luck than me?

No.
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[NSP] Re: George Atkinson recordings

2008-09-16 Thread barry07
I have found the link to the recordings but the files themselves are 
apparently  ont there.  Has anyone had more luck than me?

Barry

On 16 Sep 2008 at 10:20, Mike Sharp wrote:

From: Francis Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You mentioned George Atkinson as a good exponent of that style. I
have heard only the three tracks on the Wild Hills O'Wannie LP. I
like them a lot. Are there other recordings of him? There are a two
recordings of him on FARNE.   (
http://www.asaplive.com/FARNE/Home.cfm )
  1. Hexham races, Atholl Highlanders, Masons Apron
  2. Sweet Hesleyside, Proudlocks Hornpipe, Redesdale Hornpipe
--Mike
 
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[NSP] Re: George Atkinson recordings

2008-09-16 Thread Honor Hill
Barry, after several tries, I succeeded in saving and opening the Sweet
Hesleyside set, mp3 form.  The other tune link is still telling me the page
isn't available.  I'm wondering if the site only allows for a few to access
at a time, and many of us have been trying at once.
Honor

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I have found the link to the recordings but the files themselves are
apparently  ont there.  Has anyone had more luck than me?

Barry

On 16 Sep 2008 at 10:20, Mike Sharp wrote:

From: Francis Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You mentioned George Atkinson as a good exponent of that style. I
have heard only the three tracks on the Wild Hills O'Wannie LP. I
like them a lot. Are there other recordings of him? There are a two
recordings of him on FARNE.   (
http://www.asaplive.com/FARNE/Home.cfm )
  1. Hexham races, Atholl Highlanders, Masons Apron
  2. Sweet Hesleyside, Proudlocks Hornpipe, Redesdale Hornpipe
--Mike
 
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[NSP] Re: George Atkinson recordings

2008-09-16 Thread Mike Sharp
   After posting I noticed that I could only play the second recording.
   The first seems to be missing or incorrectly linked.
   --Mike
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   Subject: [NSP] Re: George Atkinson recordings
   I have found the link to the recordings but the files themselves are
   apparently  ont there.  Has anyone had more luck than me?

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[NSP] Re: George Atkinson recordings

2008-09-16 Thread colin

The second recording IS there but the  m3u file that links to it isn't.
The actual mp3 file is at
http://www.asaplive.com/farneaudio/m3u/W2301005.mp3 but please remember that 
the files are not for download for various reasons (copyright etc) but I 
think you can stream them from that link.

Colin Hill


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  After posting I noticed that I could only play the second recording.
  The first seems to be missing or incorrectly linked.
  --Mike
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  Subject: [NSP] Re: George Atkinson recordings
  I have found the link to the recordings but the files themselves are
  apparently  ont there.  Has anyone had more luck than me?

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[NSP] Re: George Atkinson recordings

2008-09-16 Thread barry07
OK.  I managed to get the Sweet Hesleyside set, and having listened 
to it I managed to view it in Audacity (an audio editing program).

In general. I am reluctant to give an opinion based purely on my own 
aural judgement for three reasons. 

1) hearing is very subjective and it is easy for the listener to 
deceive themselves in order to comfirm their own prejudice.  

2) I don't think I have spent enough time listening closely and 
playing to be certain of my own judgement.

3) I have heard the dogmatic opinions expressed of musical 
performances with which I profoundly disagree although I often can't 
explain just why. (My lugs are a bit slow). I have later gathered 
further information which confirmed my gut instinct.

To my ears (lugs) George's playing seemed to be very clearly 
articulated, and viewing the waveform confirmed my opinion. Except 
for one or two instances, all the notes have clear space between them 
varying between 1/25 sec and 1/10 sec. One exception is the last note 
of Sweet Hesleyside where the grace note is apparently joined to the 
main note. (I have on occasion heard Mr Ormston taking gross 
liberties with the Clough method at the very end of a tune, so 
perhaps it falls into the same category.)

The rendition of Sweet Hesleyside is very patient and extensively 
graced. If it seems laboured to some modern ears then I would venture 
to remind readers that it is playing such as this which has enabled 
our instrument to retain its popularity over 2 centuries and more in 
the North-East of England and we neglect it at our peril.

Our instrument has very little dynamic capacity, but the one thing we 
can do is ensure that each note pops out of the chanter after a short 
period of silence. This is I feel where our strength lies. I often 
say that the chanter should feel like it is full of notes eager to 
get out.

Some time ago, I made a mental list of the pipers I would wish to 
emulate, and I then wondered what they had in common. I decided that 
it was that they either learnt the pipes early in life or it was the 
instrument on which they came to understand music.  They did not 
bring the prejudices of another instrument to the pipes.  

Leaving space between notes is not solely the province of the pipes. 
The moothie (mouth organ / harmonica) plays in the hands of Will 
Atkinson (George's Father) is a very 'blocky' instrument. The 
notes/chords are either on or off and the volume is very consistent.  
The subtlety of the music is in the precise lengths of the notes and 
the spaces between - as in the Clough style of piping. Willie 
Taylor's fiddle playing is very spiky. There is a great deal of 
attack at the beginning of the note and it decays substantially 
before the next note. Often there is almost silence between notes. I 
have heard it remarked that the characteristic of Willie's fiddle 
style was the amount of daylight you could see under the bow.

Add to this the piano. Annie Snaith of Elsdon springs to mind but for 
those who never heard her, Andy May can do a passable imitation. This 
is a very percussive style.

Returning to the pipes.  If we repeat a note using closed fingering 
there will be a space between. I think we should put a similar space 
between all notes, so that all notes have the same shape whether they 
are repeated notes (tipping) or part of a scale. We should try to get 
notes on keys to have the same shape as notes on finger holes. This 
is not staccato, this not staccatissmo, it is the inherent sound of 
the pipes. 

Comments?

Much more later 

BArryy



On 16 Sep 2008 at 13:55, Honor Hill wrote:  

 Barry, after several tries, I succeeded in saving and opening the
 Sweet Hesleyside set, mp3 form.  The other tune link is still telling
 me the page isn't available.  I'm wondering if the site only allows
 for a few to access at a time, and many of us have been trying at
 once. Honor
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 1:52 PM
 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [NSP] Re: George Atkinson recordings
 
 I have found the link to the recordings but the files themselves are
 apparently  ont there.  Has anyone had more luck than me?
 
 Barry
 
 On 16 Sep 2008 at 10:20, Mike Sharp wrote:
 
 From: Francis Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 You mentioned George Atkinson as a good exponent of that style. I
 have heard only the three tracks on the Wild Hills O'Wannie LP. I
 like them a lot. Are there other recordings of him? There are a
 two recordings of him on FARNE.   (
 http://www.asaplive.com/FARNE/Home.cfm )
   1. Hexham races, Atholl Highlanders, Masons Apron
   2. Sweet Hesleyside, Proudlocks Hornpipe, Redesdale Hornpipe
 --Mike
  
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