[NSP] Re: Piping Modernism

2006-10-28 Thread Simon Knight

My reaction on first hearing was negative. After I recorded the stream,
enhanced the sound and played it on a decent hi-fi the pipes were much more
audible. They're quiet but well recorded and separated in the mix on the far
right. If you listen on headphones or computer speakers they're lost.

The same musical doubts remain though - there's little of the Northumbrian
tradition and harmonically the piece is foreign to the sound of the pipes. I
think Chris hit the right issue -  there must be some tuning and harmonics
challenges with a just G scale and the other instruments, especially with
the 'modern' scales and harmonies. But there are some melodic sections I
like and the blend with cor anglais works at times.

Instruments out of their métier seldom seem to satisfy ( I play the bassoon
and wonder why people try to play jazz on them), but after a few hearings
the piece is beginning to grow on me. 

Simon

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Douglass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:02 AM
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [NSP] Piping Modernism

Maxwell Davies comes from the musical influences of modernism, and  
pieces like Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire..

(some might switch that piece off after 30 seconds)

The piping in the composition was unlikely to be expected, resolving  
or traditionally presented.

It still managed to make it to Radio 3 though (and the "play again"  
button) . no publicity is bad publicity...eh?

Steve Douglass




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[NSP] Re: Piping Modernism

2006-10-28 Thread Richard Shuttleworth

Hi Simon,

Your comments are very interesting.  How did you record this piece?  I only 
managed to listen to it the once, maybe it would grow in me if I heard it 
several times on a decent sound system (like you mentioned, my computer 
speakers were not up to the challenge).

Richard

Simon Knight wrote:

>
> My reaction on first hearing was negative. After I recorded the stream,
> enhanced the sound and played it on a decent hi-fi the pipes were much 
> more
> audible. They're quiet but well recorded and separated in the mix on the 
> far
> right. If you listen on headphones or computer speakers they're lost.
>
> The same musical doubts remain though - there's little of the Northumbrian
> tradition and harmonically the piece is foreign to the sound of the pipes. 
> I
> think Chris hit the right issue -  there must be some tuning and harmonics
> challenges with a just G scale and the other instruments, especially with
> the 'modern' scales and harmonies. But there are some melodic sections I
> like and the blend with cor anglais works at times.
>
> Instruments out of their métier seldom seem to satisfy ( I play the 
> bassoon
> and wonder why people try to play jazz on them), but after a few hearings
> the piece is beginning to grow on me.
>
> Simon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Douglass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:02 AM
> To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: [NSP] Piping Modernism
>
> Maxwell Davies comes from the musical influences of modernism, and
> pieces like Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire..
>
> (some might switch that piece off after 30 seconds)
>
> The piping in the composition was unlikely to be expected, resolving
> or traditionally presented.
>
> It still managed to make it to Radio 3 though (and the "play again"
> button) . no publicity is bad publicity...eh?
>
> Steve Douglass
>
>
>
>
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
> 




[NSP] Re: Piping Modernism

2006-10-28 Thread Simon Knight
My sound card has a mixer program so I can route the output from Real Player
into my recording software. Reading the terms of use of the BBC site, I can
make a recording for my own personal use (as I could with the live FM radio
broadcast) but I can't distribute it.

-Original Message-
From: Richard Shuttleworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 3:09 PM
To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu; Simon Knight
Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: Piping Modernism


Hi Simon,

Your comments are very interesting.  How did you record this piece?  I only 
managed to listen to it the once, maybe it would grow in me if I heard it 
several times on a decent sound system (like you mentioned, my computer 
speakers were not up to the challenge).

Richard

Simon Knight wrote:

>
> My reaction on first hearing was negative. After I recorded the stream,
> enhanced the sound and played it on a decent hi-fi the pipes were much 
> more
> audible. They're quiet but well recorded and separated in the mix on the 
> far
> right. If you listen on headphones or computer speakers they're lost.
>
> The same musical doubts remain though - there's little of the Northumbrian
> tradition and harmonically the piece is foreign to the sound of the pipes.

> I
> think Chris hit the right issue -  there must be some tuning and harmonics
> challenges with a just G scale and the other instruments, especially with
> the 'modern' scales and harmonies. But there are some melodic sections I
> like and the blend with cor anglais works at times.
>
> Instruments out of their métier seldom seem to satisfy ( I play the 
> bassoon
> and wonder why people try to play jazz on them), but after a few hearings
> the piece is beginning to grow on me.
>
> Simon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Douglass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:02 AM
> To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: [NSP] Piping Modernism
>
> Maxwell Davies comes from the musical influences of modernism, and
> pieces like Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire..
>
> (some might switch that piece off after 30 seconds)
>
> The piping in the composition was unlikely to be expected, resolving
> or traditionally presented.
>
> It still managed to make it to Radio 3 though (and the "play again"
> button) . no publicity is bad publicity...eh?
>
> Steve Douglass
>
>
>
>
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>
>