[NSP] Re: Transposing music
I reckon you'd be better of writing it out by hand. This is what Mozart or Tom Clough would have done. c -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of The Red Goblin Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:43 PM To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts 8 snip without having to wrie it all out by hand. OK then, Chris, I'll take the bait ... First, re what you don't want, I'm not sure whether (by by hand) you mean direct mental transposition on paper or typing it up in something like ABC. And re what you do want, I'm assuming that's to have your PC (or whatever) do the donkey work. Either way, your primary task is to render the original parts in a note-based electronic form - essentially a choice between ABC MIDI (software capable of transposing either and typesetting the result in staff notation being readily available). To typify each in a nutshell, ABC has strong 'grass roots' support whilst MIDI is an industry stalwart but, as tools exist for converting from either to the other (see http://abcnotation.com/software.html), you're free to mix 'n' match to some extent. Exactly how you go about rendering it will depend on how you are able to present it to your computer for capture :- * If it's purely in your head, forget it (ESP interfaces are still the stuff of science fiction :) * If it's a popular tune, a search may turn up a tweakable ready-made file to save you starting from scratch (e.g. c/o http://abcnotation.com/search.html or www.mfiles.co.uk/) * If it's on paper, does anyone know if ONR has been invented yet ??? (where, similar to OCR, ONR = Optical Note Recognition) * If it's a digital audio file (mp3/ogg/wav etc), see the microphone option two points below where it may be used as an alternate source * Playing it on a MIDI instrument is well-established in music circles - merely requiring MIDI capture software * Playing it on a regular instrument into a microphone is another option but the recognition/conversion software (e.g. Digital Ear) needs to be pretty sophisticated and is thus accordingly expensive. Also note that, like OCR results, the less precise the source the more you'll have to manually correct the output - perhaps even to totally negating all automation benefits in extreme cases * Playing it on a virtual piano keyboard, c/o you PC keyboard, is yet another option frequently offered by the bigger music applications (e.g. Noteworthy Composer IIRC) * Typing it up in ABC is also pretty easy once you get the hang of it (being one of its primary design criteria) And my favourite ? ABC because it's such a straightforward, generally useful and modular way of maintaining a basic tune collection for the pipes. For input, using it routinely, typing up new material is no big deal and, for transposition, http://abcnotation.com/software.html lists 5 tools (but even that's not exhaustive). Steve Collins To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
Yes. Just read it down one note without writing it out. You'll soon get used to it and acquire a valuable skill. Best suggestion yet! c To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Christopher Gregg [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com wrote: I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from G down to the key of F without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Yes. Just read it down one note without writing it out. You'll soon get used to it and acquire a valuable skill. -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
Are but is the issue that it's the other players who will be playing in F? On 2 Aug 2009, at 18:25, Matt Seattle wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Christopher Gregg [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com wrote: I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from G down to the key of F without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Yes. Just read it down one note without writing it out. You'll soon get used to it and acquire a valuable skill. -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
colin ha scritto: Whichever way you do it, you are still going to have to write it down somewhere. Many music programs allow you to enter in the notes, transpose and then print them out but it would be just as easy for you to type in the transposed version and print it. As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. What form is it in at present? To transpose and print, you have to first find a way of entering it into a PC and playing the notes on a virtual piano etc can end up with a very odd score indeed. Music editors are very precise, musicians are not :) Unless it's a concerto, hand copying is probably the best bet or ABC, convert to midi, transpose and print out. Plenty of stuff out there to do that. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Christopher Gregg chrisdgr...@gmail.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: [NSP] Transposing music I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from G down to the key of F without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Chris Gregg -- Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com [2]http://www.tuneit.ca -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. Try this: http://www.musitek.com/smartscre.html for scanning, transposing and printng. It works!!! Hope this helps! Valerio
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
Colin With all respect. If this is a response to my suggestion about Finale, you must have either not gone to the web-site or not clicked on the right icon. The version (Print Music)I suggested goes for $99.95; maybe still too much for you but still a pretty good deal. It also allows you to do groups from duets to symphonies. I guess with a little tweeking you might even incorporate a Boruin, Tuba or Opheclide. Not, mind you, I'm saying these instuments would ever stand at the level of the mighty small pipe. I'm only saying you could do such a thing. And indeed we do live and learn. Dick - Original Message - From: colin cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 5:18:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music Well, you live and learn! Maybe I should have said nothing affordable. Mind you, for 300-400 dollars, I think I'll stick to pen and paper :-) Good to know anyway, thanks. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Valerio Pelliccioni v...@silkwood.it To: colin cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk; chrisdgr...@gmail.com Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music colin ha scritto: Whichever way you do it, you are still going to have to write it down somewhere. Many music programs allow you to enter in the notes, transpose and then print them out but it would be just as easy for you to type in the transposed version and print it. As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. What form is it in at present? To transpose and print, you have to first find a way of entering it into a PC and playing the notes on a virtual piano etc can end up with a very odd score indeed. Music editors are very precise, musicians are not :) Unless it's a concerto, hand copying is probably the best bet or ABC, convert to midi, transpose and print out. Plenty of stuff out there to do that. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Christopher Gregg chrisdgr...@gmail.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: [NSP] Transposing music I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from G down to the key of F without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Chris Gregg -- Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com [2]http://www.tuneit.ca -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. Try this: http://www.musitek.com/smartscre.html for scanning, transposing and printng. It works!!! Hope this helps! Valerio --
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
You'll find that Noteworthy Composer suggested by Helen is a bargain at $46 US. There is an evaluation copy available. Seriously - give it a go. you can find it at www.noteworthysoftware.com Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: colin cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 9:18 AM Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music Well, you live and learn! Maybe I should have said nothing affordable. Mind you, for 300-400 dollars, I think I'll stick to pen and paper :-) Good to know anyway, thanks. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
Another s/w package that I don't think has been mentioned yet is Celtic Pipes http://www.celticpipes.net While at first glance it looks like it is targeted for Highland Pipes it has the capability to write above and below the GHB nine note ranges. It can import/export several different file types such as ABC and BMW and it can transpose. John Adams -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of tubad...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:05 PM To: colin Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music Colin With all respect. If this is a response to my suggestion about Finale, you must have either not gone to the web-site or not clicked on the right icon. The version (Print Music)I suggested goes for $99.95; maybe still too much for you but still a pretty good deal. It also allows you to do groups from duets to symphonies. I guess with a little tweeking you might even incorporate a Boruin, Tuba or Opheclide. Not, mind you, I'm saying these instuments would ever stand at the level of the mighty small pipe. I'm only saying you could do such a thing. And indeed we do live and learn. Dick - Original Message - From: colin cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 5:18:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music Well, you live and learn! Maybe I should have said nothing affordable. Mind you, for 300-400 dollars, I think I'll stick to pen and paper :-) Good to know anyway, thanks. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Valerio Pelliccioni v...@silkwood.it To: colin cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk; chrisdgr...@gmail.com Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: [NSP] Re: Transposing music colin ha scritto: Whichever way you do it, you are still going to have to write it down somewhere. Many music programs allow you to enter in the notes, transpose and then print them out but it would be just as easy for you to type in the transposed version and print it. As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. What form is it in at present? To transpose and print, you have to first find a way of entering it into a PC and playing the notes on a virtual piano etc can end up with a very odd score indeed. Music editors are very precise, musicians are not :) Unless it's a concerto, hand copying is probably the best bet or ABC, convert to midi, transpose and print out. Plenty of stuff out there to do that. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Christopher Gregg chrisdgr...@gmail.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: [NSP] Transposing music I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from G down to the key of F without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Chris Gregg -- Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com [2]http://www.tuneit.ca -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. Try this: http://www.musitek.com/smartscre.html for scanning, transposing and printng. It works!!! Hope this helps! Valerio --
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
Whichever way you do it, you are still going to have to write it down somewhere. Many music programs allow you to enter in the notes, transpose and then print them out but it would be just as easy for you to type in the transposed version and print it. As far as I know, there's nothing that scans sheet music and then presents it as an editable score. What form is it in at present? To transpose and print, you have to first find a way of entering it into a PC and playing the notes on a virtual piano etc can end up with a very odd score indeed. Music editors are very precise, musicians are not :) Unless it's a concerto, hand copying is probably the best bet or ABC, convert to midi, transpose and print out. Plenty of stuff out there to do that. Colin Hill - Original Message - From: Christopher Gregg chrisdgr...@gmail.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: [NSP] Transposing music I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from G down to the key of F without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Chris Gregg -- Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com [2]http://www.tuneit.ca -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Transposing music
I use Noteworthy. It is relatively simple to use and and I can now print in a tune quite quickly then transpose it to whatever I like. Cheers Helen - Original Message - From: Christopher Gregg chrisdgr...@gmail.com To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:12 AM Subject: [NSP] Transposing music I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from G down to the key of F without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any suggestions? Chris Gregg -- Note new email address [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com [2]http://www.tuneit.ca -- References 1. mailto:chrisdgr...@gmail.com 2. http://www.tuneit.ca/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
