Re: [NTG-context] Fleurons
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Karl Berry wrote: this differes per year; i keep changing these names and always lag behind one tex live version TL has always distributed both pzdr.tfm and uzdr.tfm. I don't have an easy way to check the situation in teTeX. teTeX has only pzdr.tfm. See below for reasons. one of the previous tex lives someone moved the urw's to some 35vf folder, after that things went bad (got lost and such); i discussed this with Staszek and he reverted it; Starting in TL 2003, uzdr.tfm was indeed put under urw35vf instead of just urw. I do not know/remember why, or who did it (though we could check the logs), or what got lost as a result. It is also still the case in the current sources, so I also don't know what you mean by Staszek reverted it. Staszek, what did you do? I can explain it once again. In 2003 all that urw mess was hopefully cleaned on CTAN and then on TL. Discussion started on 6 june and on 24 july that's me, who cleaned it for TL. The *base* 35 urw fonts (only afm and pfm/pfb) were prepared *after* all that urw tfm, vf etc. support files were made. From README.base35 TeX systems can use these fonts as drop-in replacements for Adobe's PostScript Base fonts, which are not free. No particular TeX metrics, virtual fonts or macro files are provided for URW's base fonts. They are to be used with the same support files as Adobe's originals, i.e., with the files of the PSNFSS collection. AFM and PFM files are supplied here for the sake of completeness only. They are normally not required for use with TeX. In fact, nobody knows how the *old* mess with tfm, vf etc. fits to more *new* urw pfb which are of better quality then the older ones. Anyway both distributions cannot be mixed. Not to say about packaging, etc. So I introduced urw35vf (#3416) which contains all (historical) stuff for those using urw fonts directly (.vf, .tfm, .fd, .sty files). Everybody has freedom using them from TL. Thomas removed such stuff from teTeX as simply garbage. Meanwhile, the afm and pfb are under just urw/. It seems odd, though I can imagine how it could happen. ??? Everything is OK: fonts/afm/urw/ and fonts/type1/urw/ Clearly the URW fonts are not 100% identical to the Adobe fonts, but in practice we have to accept the URW Type 1's under the p* names, because the p* names are what most documents have historically used. We can't suddenly make those documents unusable, that would be disastrous. For that matter, the Adobe fonts themselves have changed over the years. Nothing is perfect. Right. but context (users) expect the whole set of urw (afm pfb) to be present because they generate other encodings and such; uzdr.afm and uzdr.pfb are both in the current TL sources, and always have been. I know of no reason or suggestion to delete them. They are as well present in teTeX. i think that we need to get rid of the urw mappings in the aliases file I agree. I have now deleted the aliases file altogether from the TL sources. We'll see how that flies. I don't know if that will change anything wrt gwTeX, though. Ahh, I see! aliases could cause problems. Thanks for deleting that file. Best, -- Staszek Wawrykiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] textools ne woption
Hans Hagen wrote: Hi, Tonight I had to generate linux binaries (due to serious bug in the pdftex 1.21 that runs on the server; btw, generating 64 bits version fails somehow) and afterwards i had to merge the new files into my trees so .. i extendedtextools textools --merge oldroot newroot(trial run, add --force to really do it) like in textools --merge /tmp/tetex /data/tex/texmf-linux --force only newer files will be merged and some checking is done Nice, thanks! Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: [NTG-pdftex] unwanted font replacement during inclussion
Hartmut Henkel wrote: Then the CMBX12 font coming with the embedded test.pdf would match CMBX12 and this would be replaced by cmtt10.pfb. So it seems that something must be wrong with the map file. There is a (fairly serious) bug in two of the context-supplied Latin Modern .map files: context-base.map:148:cmbx5 CMBX12cmrm.enc lmbx5.pfb original-public-lm.map:71:cmbx5 CMBX12cmrm.enc lmbx5.pfb Of course, both lines should use CMBX5 instead of CMBX12. Fixing that removes the problem. It seems the bug was introduced in ConTeXt 2005.05.25. Greetings, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Fwd: Context question
Taco Hoekwater wrote: Vit Zyka wrote: Adam Lindsay wrote: Has anyone got a solution/approach/example at hand? Begin Forwarded Message Subject: Re: (Stupid) Context question Date Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2005 20:57 From: Musa Furber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Something I cannot do with LaTeX that I would like to be able to do is have the text on the first page be single column and starting with the second page have the text be double column - even if the page transition is in the middle of a paragraph. Is this possible to do with ConTeXt? I think so, see manual columns.pdf But it is not possible to switch completely automatically, even without a mid-paragraph pagebreak, I'm afraid. I believe that columset mechanism (based on pouring \parshape from paragraph to paragraph and output routine support) can do it. Even in the manual is an example. But I share your doubts in case of some complex pages (floats, margins, marks). But plain text should be OK. I am curious about the practical experience. vit ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: [NTG-pdftex] unwanted font replacement during inclussion
Hartmut Henkel wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Vit Zyka wrote:
I noticed the next strange behaviour. Let us create very simple file test.tex:
--
\font\bf=cmbx12
Normal text. \bf Bold text.
\end
--
Now include this file by plain pdftex:
--
\pdfximage{test.pdf}
\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage
\end
--
Everything is correct. No let us try to insert the file by context:
--
\starttext
%\font\bf=cmbx12
%Normal text. \bf Bold text.
\pdfximage{test.pdf}
\pdfrefximage\pdflastximage
\stoptext
--
I noticed the result is smashed by plain pdftex. And that is correct.
And that is typeset with totaly different font is correct. I
uncomment two lines, so the attached file by plain pdftex. I though
that is the next strange behaviour: problem? I noticed the next
strange behaviour; included file. I uncomment two lines, so the
included file, Now I though that is typeset with totaly different font
is correct. I though that is the file, by plain pdftex related then
context: related then context related then context. I noticed the
result is the next strange behaviour.
H, now I feel it is more pdftex-related then context-related
question.
i can't reproduce it here with your files, it looks ok, but the
mechanism is that the font comparison is made by the name in the 2nd
column of the map file, and only if this matches the fontname in the
embedded file, the font file given the end of the map line is taken. E.
g. one can force a probably similar problem by (devious)
\pdfmapline{cmbx12 CMBX12 cmtt10.pfb}
Then the CMBX12 font coming with the embedded test.pdf would match
CMBX12 and this would be replaced by cmtt10.pfb. So it seems that
I see. Thank you, Hartmut, for explanating font inclusion mechanism. I
will cope the problem.
vit
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Re: [NTG-context] Fleurons
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Hans Hagen wrote: Staszek Wawrykiewicz wrote: AFM and PFM files are supplied here for the sake of completeness only. They are normally not required for use with TeX. this is not true, you need the afm's when you use them to make graphics in other progs that will then be used by tex; also, you need them in order to generate metrics for encodings other than teh shipped ones Hans, I cited readme by Walter and tried to explain: there's no ready tfm metrics for _those_ urw. Existing ones were generated for older, not so nice urw fonts. In fact, nobody knows how the *old* mess with tfm, vf etc. fits to more *new* urw pfb which are of better quality then the older ones. Anyway both distributions cannot be mixed. Not to say about packaging, etc. So I introduced urw35vf (#3416) which contains all (historical) stuff for those using urw fonts directly (.vf, .tfm, .fd, .sty files). Everybody has freedom using them from TL. Thomas removed such stuff from teTeX as simply garbage. he's free to do that but it sounds strange and dangerous to me Why? Anybody is free to make tfm files, as afm files are always available for _that_ set of urw fonts. -- Staszek Wawrykiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Fleurons
On Wednesday 01 June 2005 11:53 pm, Hans Hagen wrote: Staszek Wawrykiewicz wrote: Why? Anybody is free to make tfm files, as afm files are always available for _that_ set of urw fonts. the problem is that there is a bunch of context users out there who think (are being told, whatever) that they should use the provided ones instead of generating them by texfont or afm2tfm (so they want to use the presumably present ones and not generate them by texfont, which is ok for me; but unfortunately they are not always there; and then they try the ps ones, which are only there for ec and not for texnansi and then ... and then ...) well, i give up on fonts ... maybe some day i just put metric files in the context zip (ec texnansi qx), why should i care about those few extra bytes I use only the 8r encoding because I write/typeset in (American) English and I need special characters like the copyright symbol. the registered symbol, the trademark (tm) symbol and so on. Some of these are not available in other encodings, or at least I cannot find them. I understand that Europeans prefer other encodings with good reason but 8r needs to remain in the scheme of things IMO. I not only use plain tex, pdftex, Context etc. in my own work I advertise these Open Source solutions as effective alternatives to e.g., InDesign. To sell the system to new users requires a K.I.S.S. approach. Is there a problem in Context with making the URW fonts the default and then just aliasing the Adobe names to the URW versions? The more we can hide these details the better. Font handling is the great Achilles heel of all flavors of TeX, as we all know. Since Context is (relatively) new if we can jigger things around so that the K.I.S.S. principle is adhered to then selling the concept to new users will be easier. Too many people in the printing world have horrid memories of LaTeX from their college days or other earlier experience. (K.I.S.S. = Keep it simple silly.) thanks for your patience And thanks for Context! -- John Culleton ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] buffers and mathml
Hi all,
I hope not to be posing a silly question.
I am trying something like:
usemodule[mathml]
\starttext
\def\open
{}
\def\close
{}
\startbuffer
\open math display=block\close
\open apply\close \open sin/\close \open apply\close \open plus/\close
\open cn\close 2 \open /cn\close \open ci\close a \open /ci\close
\open /apply\close \open /apply\close
\open /math\close
\stopbuffer
\processXMLbuffer
\stoptext
But this does not pass to \processXMLbuffer the result of substituting
commands \open and \close...
how could this be achieved...?
I know that I could have used myself the and 's instead of the ugly open
and close but that is not my requirement.
I tried defining a command
\def\Wea
{
\open math display=block\close
\open apply\close \open sin/\close \open apply\close \open plus/\close
\open cn\close 2 \open /cn\close \open ci\close a \open /ci\close
\open /apply\close \open /apply\close
\open /math\close
}
and then...
\startbuffer
\Wea
\stopbuffer
but that is plain wrong...
thanks
jima
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[NTG-context] Re: [NTG-pdftex] kerning
Hans Hagen wrote: Taco Hoekwater wrote: PS. I can create a series of slides that show internals of the font reading process for the ntg meeting, if you are interested. sounds like a good idea to me For those of you who are interested in this sort of thing, I've posted an 884-page PDF document that illustrates TeX's loading of a few font metric files: nullfont (internal) cmr10 cmsy10 cmex10 De document, and sources, are available at: http://tex.aanhet.net/temp/fontreader.pdf http://tex.aanhet.net/temp/fontreader.zip Beware, the PDF is pretty large (7.7Mb). MetaPost, Perl and Context sources are quite small (12kb), but very much a hack. Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] \definetyping[C][option=commands] and the tabulator
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Hans Hagen wrote:
\definetyping[C][option=commands,tab=8]
(just a few lines patch); i'll send you the files.
Thanks again for your efforts!
Just one last problem with vertical spacing in a frame:
\starttext
\framed[align=lohi]{%
\starttyping
test
\stoptyping
}
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] \stopbuffer in macro
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Hans Hagen wrote:
\definebuffer[crap]
\setupbuffer[crap][before=\blank\bgroup here we start,after=and here we
end\egroup\blank]
[...]
Hello Hans and Taco,
thank you for your hints, but I think, I did not explain my question well
enough...
I fact, all I need is to know, how I could write some verbatim text between
2 commands (\startXXX...\stopXXX) into a file, but with my own macros.
Here an example in detail:
\newcount\LSTnum
\newwrite\LSTfile
\def\LSTfileprefix{\jobname-LST\LSTnum}
\def\startLST[#1]#2\stopLST{%
\immediate\openout\LSTfile=\LSTfileprefix.tmp
\immediate\write\LSTfile{#2}% Here I seek a solution for verbatim text!
\immediate\closeout\LSTfile
\immediate\write18{createListing.sh \LSTfileprefix #1}% #1 is for \lstset
\externalfigure[\LSTfileprefix]
\advance\LSTnum by 1
}
and then, the user types only:
\startLST[language=C]
main()
{
return 0;
}
\stopLST
It's already possible to do this with some further macros (\finishLST after
\stopLST for example), but I prefer only one \start/\stop pair.
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Re: [NTG-context] long module-filenames
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Vit Zyka wrote: Peter Münster wrote: Hello, I would like to use module names with more than 8 characters. Is this possible, and if yes how? AFAIK it was enabled in the beginning of this year. Indeed, it seems to be enabled since version 2005.05.25. So I'm going to update and try the newest version. Thanks, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] \stopbuffer in macro
This should help:
\def\startLST[#1]%
{\def\stopLST{End of #1}%
\dostartbuffer[LST][startLST][stopLST]}
This is almost the same as:
\definebuffer[LST]
\def\stopLST{End of LST}
Except that it is a little bit more low-level and thereby allows
an argument to \startLST. Using a local definition if \stopLST
is another trick, to lift the argument to the end of the buffer.
A less sophisticated but clearer approach is:
\def\startLST[#1]%
{\def\LSTArgs{#1}%
\dostartbuffer[LST][startLST][stopLST]}
\def\stopLST{End of \LSTArgs}
Full example:
\def\startLST[#1]%
{\def\stopLST{End of #1}%
\dostartbuffer[LST][startLST][stopLST]}
\starttext
\startLST[whatever]
bla bla
\stopLST
alb alb
\stoptext
You'll have to fill in the commands etc. yourself of course.
Greetings, Taco
Peter Münster wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Hans Hagen wrote:
\definebuffer[crap]
\setupbuffer[crap][before=\blank\bgroup here we start,after=and here we
end\egroup\blank]
[...]
Hello Hans and Taco,
thank you for your hints, but I think, I did not explain my question well
enough...
I fact, all I need is to know, how I could write some verbatim text between
2 commands (\startXXX...\stopXXX) into a file, but with my own macros.
Here an example in detail:
\newcount\LSTnum
\newwrite\LSTfile
\def\LSTfileprefix{\jobname-LST\LSTnum}
\def\startLST[#1]#2\stopLST{%
\immediate\openout\LSTfile=\LSTfileprefix.tmp
\immediate\write\LSTfile{#2}% Here I seek a solution for verbatim text!
\immediate\closeout\LSTfile
\immediate\write18{createListing.sh \LSTfileprefix #1}% #1 is for \lstset
\externalfigure[\LSTfileprefix]
\advance\LSTnum by 1
}
and then, the user types only:
\startLST[language=C]
main()
{
return 0;
}
\stopLST
It's already possible to do this with some further macros (\finishLST after
\stopLST for example), but I prefer only one \start/\stop pair.
Greetings, Peter
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[NTG-context] Re: [NTG-pdftex] kerning
Taco Hoekwater wrote: De document, and sources, are available at: http://tex.aanhet.net/temp/fontreader.pdf http://tex.aanhet.net/temp/fontreader.zip Beware, the PDF is pretty large (7.7Mb). MetaPost, Perl and Context sources are quite small (12kb), but very much a hack. brilliant, you made my day Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] \stopbuffer in macro
I once made the option
\usememorybuffers
but i'm not sure if it does the same
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
This should help:
\def\startLST[#1]%
{\def\stopLST{End of #1}%
\dostartbuffer[LST][startLST][stopLST]}
This is almost the same as:
\definebuffer[LST]
\def\stopLST{End of LST}
Except that it is a little bit more low-level and thereby allows
an argument to \startLST. Using a local definition if \stopLST
is another trick, to lift the argument to the end of the buffer.
A less sophisticated but clearer approach is:
\def\startLST[#1]%
{\def\LSTArgs{#1}%
\dostartbuffer[LST][startLST][stopLST]}
\def\stopLST{End of \LSTArgs}
Full example:
\def\startLST[#1]%
{\def\stopLST{End of #1}%
\dostartbuffer[LST][startLST][stopLST]}
\starttext
\startLST[whatever]
bla bla
\stopLST
alb alb
\stoptext
You'll have to fill in the commands etc. yourself of course.
Greetings, Taco
Peter Münster wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Hans Hagen wrote:
\definebuffer[crap]
\setupbuffer[crap][before=\blank\bgroup here we start,after=and here
we end\egroup\blank]
[...]
Hello Hans and Taco,
thank you for your hints, but I think, I did not explain my question well
enough...
I fact, all I need is to know, how I could write some verbatim text
between
2 commands (\startXXX...\stopXXX) into a file, but with my own macros.
Here an example in detail:
\newcount\LSTnum
\newwrite\LSTfile
\def\LSTfileprefix{\jobname-LST\LSTnum}
\def\startLST[#1]#2\stopLST{%
\immediate\openout\LSTfile=\LSTfileprefix.tmp
\immediate\write\LSTfile{#2}% Here I seek a solution for verbatim
text!
\immediate\closeout\LSTfile
\immediate\write18{createListing.sh \LSTfileprefix #1}% #1 is for
\lstset
\externalfigure[\LSTfileprefix]
\advance\LSTnum by 1
}
and then, the user types only:
\startLST[language=C]
main()
{
return 0;
}
\stopLST
It's already possible to do this with some further macros (\finishLST
after
\stopLST for example), but I prefer only one \start/\stop pair.
Greetings, Peter
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Re: [NTG-context] update
Hi Hans, sorry to rain on your parade, but I'm not sure that the latest version is working as it should. I tried on OS X + gwtex. After unzipping in texmf.local and regenerating the formats, I get this output (even after rerunning mktexlsr): % texexec --version TeXExec 5.4.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005 texexec : TeXExec 5.4.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005 texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004 sh: line 1: cont-en: command not found tex : unknown context : ver: 2005.06.02 cont-en : unknown sh: line 1: cont-de: command not found cont-de : unknown sh: line 1: cont-nl: command not found cont-nl : unknown total run time : 2 seconds Processing files seems to be running normally. Nevertheless, something still smells rotten in the state of ConText. I'll check on my linux partition later. Best Thomas On Jun 2, 2005, at 10:49 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: Hi, Well, after some bad hacking Adam, Patrick and me think that we got engine support working on all platforms. Interesting is that the problems for platforms -tetex and gwtex- were in different parts of the code, so there must be subtle differences in path settings (different kpse branches in texexec). The solutions had to do with chomping on the one hand and complex paths on th eother hand. Patrick, I hope that i didn't mess up the garden server in the process -) Uploaded. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] update
Hi, Well, after some bad hacking Adam, Patrick and me think that we got engine support working on all platforms. Interesting is that the problems for platforms -tetex and gwtex- were in different parts of the code, so there must be subtle differences in path settings (different kpse branches in texexec). The solutions had to do with chomping on the one hand and complex paths on th eother hand. Patrick, I hope that i didn't mess up the garden server in the process -) Uploaded. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Fleurons
On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 00:25 +0200, Hartmut Henkel wrote: On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, John R. Culleton wrote: (K.I.S.S. = Keep it simple silly.) wasn't the 2nd S. stupid? I always thought it was Stuart. ;-) -- Stuart Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guru Labs, L.C. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
