Re: [NTG-context] I need some advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis
It *is* possible if you know how and are very careful (split the text in chapters, safe and backup often etc.), but OpenOffice.org is better for that - besides any TeX, of course. ;-) I like the idea of OO, but I have to say I have always found strange behaviour in OO. I switched to latex (and then very probably to context) because on Macosx in the version I tried of OO I wrote italics, I printed italics, but I didn't see on the screen italics. So, if I have to use a non-wysysyg, oh well, I use TeX. As a word processor AbiWord is interesting. Another important thing: *only* MS-Word can read your Word-document, and of course only the right version (M$ won't guarantee, that Word-2005 prints out your document the same way as Word-2000). That's not true since about Word 98; and there are a lot of other word processors that can import MSW-Docs (e.g. OOo again). I do not agree. Microsoft always changes in some unpredictable and bad-documented way their file format. I've *always* found enormous difficulties in opening with other word processors M$ files, even when they should be rtf. It is simply not possible, if you want to retain the exact document information. So, I switched to latex... Question: One of the main feature I appreciated in latex was a very simple but effective latex2rtf converter. It is very useful if you have simple document to be shared with other non-tex people, especially during preliminary work on a project. You write the context (with structure: section, subsection, etc,), share it, modify it, and finally control the typographic stuff in details. Is anything similar for context? Best -a- Andrea Valle Laboratorio multimediale "G. Quazza" Facoltà di Scienze della Formazione Università degli Studi di Torino [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] I need some advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis
You write the context (I meant: "You write the text". Evidently I'm appreciating more and more ConTeXt...) -a- ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] s-pre-19: page numbers?
Christopher Creutzig wrote:
Christopher Creutzig wrote:
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Is this not the same problem as the one that was mentioned last
week (the one that requires the core-lst.tex that Hans posted
as attachment)?
As a short term measure, I have included
\def\linklisttoelement#1#2#3#4#5% % list location format page data
{\gotonextinternal\currentlist{#2}{#4}{#5}}
into my document and got the menu I wanted – no spurious numbers any
more and the hyperlinks do work. YMMV.
Technical discussion (probably should go to the dev-list):
Since I have no clear view of where else the code is used, I'm not sure
whichplace to fix, but the definition (and comment) of
\linklisttoelement and \gotonextinternal do not agree on what to print:
Note that the comment here refers to a fifth argument which does not exist:
\def\linklisttoelement#1#2#3#4% % list location format page data
{\gotonextinternal\currentlist{#1}{#3}{#4}}
Therefore, \gotonextinternal in its fourth argument gets the page
number. It expects “text” in there and dutifully passes it to
\gotorealpage, where it is printed.
your patch will break the list handler; a quick glance learns me that in the
following case we have one arg too much (some time ago i cleaned up part of the
list macros and it seems that this indirect call was not done).
(core-int.tex:)
\def\dodomenulistelement#1#2#3#4#5#6#7%
{\setbox0=\hbox
{\let\gotolocation\gobbleoneargument % hack to catch last []
% \locationclickfalse % ipv ^
\docheckrealreferencepage{#7}%
\setlocationboxyes
{\??am#1}% % needed !
[]% no settings
{\limitatetext{#5}{\getvalue{\??li#2\c!maxwidth}}{\unknown}}% % needed !
[]}% normally the destination, catch by gobble
\@@amboxcommand\do@@amposition{#1}{#7}% beware, we pass the pagenumber
{\ignorespaces\linklisttoelement{#3}{#6}{#7}{\box0}\unskip}\\}
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Re: [NTG-context] s-pre-19: page numbers?
h h extern wrote: your patch will break the list handler; a quick glance learns me that in I did not expect this dirty hack to “really” work. It was just a desparate short-term measure. \def\dodomenulistelement#1#2#3#4#5#6#7% Thanks, that fixes the problem. regards, Christopher ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] startlines bug(s)
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Stuart Jansen wrote:
Below is a simple test case that illustrates what I suspect are bugs
with \startlines. I suspect that fixing them will be tricky, so I'm
wondering if anyone can think of work arounds.
I'm not sure if they are bugs, because they come as a natural
amd predictable side-effect of using \obeyspaces. Here is an
example of the needed source changes to get your expected
output:
\starttext
\bgroup\tt
\ConTeXt\ is A\bgroup\ttsl maz\egroup ing
\setuplines[space=yes]
\startlines
\ConTeXt\ is A{\ttsl{}maz}ing
I didn't expect spaces around "maz"
\stoplines
\setuplines[space=on]
\startlines
\ConTeXt{ }is A{\ttsl{}maz}ing
I expected a space marker before "is"
\stoplines\egroup
\stoptext
indeed this is not a bug, tex sees the (active) space not as a space but as a
terminator and keeps it in place; in addition to taco's solution you can do:
\starttext
\switchtobodyfont[tt]
\setuplines[space=on]
% hacky, so not to be used
\startlines
Let's talk about this{\ttsl\gobbleoneargument or}that.
\stoplines
% verbose and okay
\startlines
Let's talk about this{\getvalue{ttsl}or}that.
\stoplines
% TACO: what do you think of
\let\cs\getvalue
\startlines
Let's talk about this{\cs{ttsl}or}that.
\stoplines
\stoptext
(there is no language or font or whatecver \cs)
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] startlines bug(s)
h h extern wrote:
% TACO: what do you think of
\let\cs\getvalue
\startlines
Let's talk about this{\cs{ttsl}or}that.
\stoplines
Assuming you are not going to use it for czech at some point ... yes
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] startlines bug(s)
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
h h extern wrote:
% TACO: what do you think of
\let\cs\getvalue
\startlines
Let's talk about this{\cs{ttsl}or}that.
\stoplines
Assuming you are not going to use it for czech at some point ... yes
That is all right with Czech:
Czech language -> cz
Slovac language -> sk
(But you are right, there is a true context: 'cs' was used for
Czechoslovakia, but the state has not existed for 13 years; Czechoslovac
language does never exist, so no such abbreviation.)
vit
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[NTG-context] UTF further problems
I'm still having trouble with UTF contents in tags in MathML content. It's difficult to send a sample because UTF isn't preserved well either by email or when sending files to the ConTeXt Live server, but I'd really appreciate it if somebody could help. When I replace 'HERE' in the following snippet with any UTF encoded accented character, it comes out wrong: \useXMLfilter[utf]\usemodule[mathml] \starttext\startXMLdata HERE \stopXMLdata\stoptext Can anyone help? Thanks a million. Duncan ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] columnset layout distortion
Hallo,
I am working on our 40-anniversary scout group bulletin with a complex
layout (twocolumn, footnotes, photos, pictures, flowing text in margin).
I noticed weird behaviour. It is expressed by vertical shift of columns,
please see the page 2 of
http://typokvitek.com/tmp/layoutdistort.pdf
source: http://typokvitek.com/tmp/layoutdistort.tex
It seems that the problem is caused by switch to \ss font family
continueing to a place of the page break. Any explanation/suggestion?
Thanks
vit
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\setuplayout[
height=fit,topspace=10mm,
width=fit,backspace=20mm,
margin=0pt,columndistance=5mm,
lines=40,grid=yes,
]
\showframe
\startbuffer[A]
\input thuan
% {\input hawking }%
{\ss\input hawking }%
\input bryson
\stopbuffer
\definecolumnset[col][n=2]
\starttext
\startcolumnset[col]
\dorecurse{10}{\getbuffer[A]}%
\stopcolumnset
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] columnset layout distortion
Vit Zyka wrote: Hallo, I am working on our 40-anniversary scout group bulletin with a complex layout (twocolumn, footnotes, photos, pictures, flowing text in margin). I noticed weird behaviour. It is expressed by vertical shift of columns, please see the page 2 of http://typokvitek.com/tmp/layoutdistort.pdf source: http://typokvitek.com/tmp/layoutdistort.tex It seems that the problem is caused by switch to \ss font family continueing to a place of the page break. Any explanation/suggestion? the linedistance is expressed in ex, and ss has a different ex height you may try to set the interlinespace to e.g. 14.4pt (or 1.2\bodyfontsize) or so interesting 'bug/feature' btw, i need to think this over Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] columnset layout distortion
Hans Hagen wrote: Vit Zyka wrote: margin). I noticed weird behaviour. It is expressed by vertical shift of columns, please see the page 2 of http://typokvitek.com/tmp/layoutdistort.pdf source: http://typokvitek.com/tmp/layoutdistort.tex It seems that the problem is caused by switch to \ss font family continueing to a place of the page break. Any explanation/suggestion? the linedistance is expressed in ex, and ss has a different ex height I seee. Thank you Hans for a very quick response. My response (in case of sorting) is much much slower. I have only installed ruby and run your example with newtexexec.rb. It runs smoothly (with exception of generating format every run newtexexec.rb but - my guess, no time to check - it is due to ignoring engines in my texmf.cnf). But I will need sorting for name index in this project, so I will have to solve it sooner or later. vit you may try to set the interlinespace to e.g. 14.4pt (or 1.2\bodyfontsize) or so interesting 'bug/feature' btw, i need to think this over Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -- === Ing. Vít Zýka, Ph.D. TYPOkvítek database publishing databazove publikovani data maintaining and typesetting in typographic quality priprava dat a jejich sazba v typograficke kvalite tel.: +420 777 198 189 www: http://typokvitek.com === ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: I need some advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis
Hi to all, Thank you to all of you. I really appreciated your opinions/advices. Ill give Context a try. Ive already installed the minimal distribution (for MS Windows XP) from the Pragma site and printed the beginners manual. At the beginning, Im sure that Ill post some silly questions. Be patient please! Ive another question. What is the best way to deal with a big document in Context, to save each chapter in a single file and at the end include them in a main document, or is there a better way? Best regards, Alexandra ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: I need some advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis
Hi Alexandra, welcome to the gang! Do not worry, there are no silly questions, may be silly answers though! I would suggest to setup a project structure for your thesis. This makes it possible to structure the whole thing and gives you the possibility to compile also parts of the thesis which still will contain the general features of the whole. Kind regards Willi Alexandra Ribeiro wrote: Hi to all, Thank you to all of you. I really appreciated your opinions/advices. I'll give Context a try. I've already installed the minimal distribution (for MS Windows XP) from the Pragma site and printed the beginners' manual. At the beginning, I'm sure that I'll post some silly questions. Be patient please! I've another question. What is the best way to deal with a big document in Context, to save each chapter in a single file and at the end include them in a "main document", or is there a better way? Best regards, Alexandra ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] I need some advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Alexandra Ribeiro wrote: > At this moment I've to make a choice: continue using Word or start > learning a new tool, which will probably consume much of my time. So, I'm > in a dilemma. That's why I'm asking for help. Another point, that you should perhaps consider when choosing between something like Word/OOo and LaTeX/ConTeXt: It's often a great advantage to have plain text files instead of binary format! With versioning systems such as SVN you can merge changes, you can process your files with simple scripts, you can use database-backends, you can make a lot of automatisations and a lot more, that's impossible or difficult with binary files. Or just: you would have more control with plain text files! Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Re: I need some advices/guidelines before start writing my PhD thesis
Alexandra Ribeiro wrote: I've another question. What is the best way to deal with a big document in Context, to save each chapter in a single file and at the end include them in a "main document", or is there a better way? It's no problem to keep everything in one document, but I like to split the file so that I can search easier (and some other advantages). Apart from that you can simply comment out the whole chapter at once if you use multiple files by simply commenting out the line % \input ch03-aliens in the main document for example. Besides that - ConTeXt is pretty slow. If you have a document with 300 pages, lots of graphics, ... and you only have to try out different parameters to fine-tune typesetting of one specific table, paragraph or figure, than it is easier to compile and show just a couple of pages than all of them at once. I usually use one file for style, one main file, multiple files (for example one per chapter) for content and another portion of files for figures. But it's all a matter of taste. ConTeXt doesn't really care about it. See chapter 2 in cont-eni.pdf. Mojca ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] UTF further problems
> "Duncan" == Duncan Hothersall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Duncan> I'm still having trouble with UTF contents in tags in Duncan> MathML content. For whatever it is worth, I just tried that. A double-acute u (U+0171) came through w/o problem. I'm using a gentoo box w/ tetex 3.0. I tried both dvi and pdf output. Both worked. Are you sure your file is in utf-8 and not, eg, utf-16? What platform are you on? The exact text I ended up with is: \useXMLfilter[utf]\usemodule[mathml] \starttext\startXMLdata ű \stopXMLdata\stoptext -JimC -- James H. Cloos, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] columnset layout distortion
Vit Zyka wrote:
Hallo,
I am working on our 40-anniversary scout group bulletin with a complex
layout (twocolumn, footnotes, photos, pictures, flowing text in margin).
I noticed weird behaviour. It is expressed by vertical shift of columns,
please see the page 2 of
http://typokvitek.com/tmp/layoutdistort.pdf
source: http://typokvitek.com/tmp/layoutdistort.tex
It seems that the problem is caused by switch to \ss font family
continueing to a place of the page break. Any explanation/suggestion?
i made an \restoreinterlinespace mechanism so that you can do the following:
\setuplayout[height=middle,width=middle,grid=yes]
\starttext
\startcolumnset
\dorecurse{10}
{\input thuan \endgraf
\bgroup
\ss\restoreinterlinespace
\dorecurse{3}{\input hawking \endgraf}
\egroup
\input bryson \endgraf}
\stopcolumnset
\stoptext
(tricky stuff)
Hans
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