Re: [NTG-context] framed items

2009-11-17 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:52 AM, luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's what I mean with not sure that  \hsize and \startitemize must
 play well together
No, sorry, wrong phrase.
What I mean is that  I already  found that  \startitemize and \framed with
width=broad was not ok, because broad is related to \hsize  but  it's
ok in other situations.


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Re: [NTG-context] rotate a figure

2009-11-17 Thread R. Bastian
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:16:34 +0100
Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com scribit:

 
 Am 16.11.2009 um 19:37 schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
 
  On Monday 16 November 2009 19:29:12 R. Bastian wrote:
  Hello,
  
  is there a way to rotate a pdf-figure ?
  
  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Using_Graphics
  
  thanks,
  
  \rotate[rotation=90]{\externalfigure[filename]}
 
 \externalfigure[filename][orientation=90] ;)
 
 Wolfgang

OK, it is the param I hoped to get, but how to find it in the doc ?
 
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[NTG-context] Context Live setup ?

2009-11-17 Thread Vnpenguin
Hi,
I would like to make a ConTeXt Live server in LAN for testing
purposes, but I can not found any document for setup this kind of
server.
What are requirements ? Anyone could give me some help please ?

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Re: [NTG-context] Context Live setup ?

2009-11-17 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello,


 I would like to make a ConTeXt Live server in LAN for testing
 purposes, but I can not found any document for setup this kind of
 server.
 What are requirements ? Anyone could give me some help please ?

You can find the sourcecode of live.contextgarden.net at github:

http://github.com/contextgarden/contextlive


Of course, there is more to it. You should put it in a chrooted
environmet etc. 

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Re: [NTG-context] Context Live setup ?

2009-11-17 Thread Vnpenguin
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:02, Patrick Gundlach patr...@gundla.ch wrote:
 Hello,


 I would like to make a ConTeXt Live server in LAN for testing
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 server.
 What are requirements ? Anyone could give me some help please ?

 You can find the sourcecode of live.contextgarden.net at github:

 http://github.com/contextgarden/contextlive


 Of course, there is more to it. You should put it in a chrooted
 environmet etc.


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Re: [NTG-context] the meaning of cutspace

2009-11-17 Thread Peter Münster
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 After reading the source 'width=middle' make sense, when both backspace
 and cutspace
 are set the width of the textarea is 'paperwidth - backspace - cutspace'
 but when
 cutspace is set to 0pt the textarea is 'paperwidth - 2*backspace'.

Hello Wolfgang,

I'm sorry, I still don't understand...  When width=middle adjusts the width
to paperwidth - backspace - cutspace, what should width=fit then do?
What does middle mean, in the middle of *what*?

I suggest, that specifying backspace + cutspace + width=middle should
output an error or warning, and backspace + cutspace + width=fit should do
it right...

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Re: [NTG-context] rotate a figure

2009-11-17 Thread Peter Münster
On Tue, Nov 17 2009, R. Bastian wrote:

   \rotate[rotation=90]{\externalfigure[filename]}
  
  \externalfigure[filename][orientation=90] ;)
  
 OK, it is the param I hoped to get, but how to find it in the doc ?

Hello,

I suppose, that you can find orientation=... only in the sources, but
\rotate[]{} is a standard command that you can find in the wiki, in
mp-cb-en.pdf and in texshow.

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[NTG-context] kpathsea510.dll couldn't be found

2009-11-17 Thread Helmut Schwertner

Hello,

if I try to update the contextmininals (command line method under 
windows) or to reinstall contextminimals I get the message mpost.exe 
could not found because kpathsea510.dll are not found. The same happens 
with pdftex.exe. The update or the reinstall stopped.


I started the update with first-setup.bat --keep (initialized the tree 
with C:\context\tex\setuptex.bat C:\context\tex).


On my contextminimals there ist no file named kpathsea510.dll. Only 
kpathsea500.dll etc.


What can I do?

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[NTG-context] place figure without \placefigure

2009-11-17 Thread R. Bastian
Hello,

in a german text I have to place two figures and a table.

If I use \placefigure they are well centered - but with french captions: Table
or Figure. I dont need the captions. 
Without \placefigure, the figures are not centered.

Is there a way ?

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Re: [NTG-context] the meaning of cutspace

2009-11-17 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 17.11.2009 um 11:40 schrieb Peter Münster:

 I'm sorry, I still don't understand...  When width=middle adjusts the width
 to paperwidth - backspace - cutspace, what should width=fit then do?
 What does middle mean, in the middle of *what*?
 
 I suggest, that specifying backspace + cutspace + width=middle should
 output an error or warning, and backspace + cutspace + width=fit should do
 it right...

The first thing context does is to check the value of width:
(the width of the textarea is stored in \makeupwidth, not \textwidth)

1. width=middle

if cutspace=0pt then cutspace=backspace endif

makeupwidth = paperwidth - backspace - cutspace


2. width=fit

when i look at the source i don't know if anyone want this setting because
very complicated and the calculation is

makeupwidth = paperwidth - (backspace - leftmargin - leftmargindistance - 
leftedge - ...) - (cutspace - rightmargin - ...)


3. width=dimen

makeupwidth = dimen


Example:

\definelayout[1][backspace=4cm,width=12cm]
\definelayout[2][backspace=5cm,cutspace=7cm,width=middle]
\definelayout[3][backspace=3cm,cutspace=0pt,width=middle]
\definelayout[4][backspace=4cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[5][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=3cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[6][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=4cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[7][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[8][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,rightmargin=3cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[9][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,rightmargin=4cm,width=fit]
\definelayout[10][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,rightmargin=2cm,width=fit]

\showframe

\starttext

\dorecurse{10}
  {\starttabulate
   \NC backspace \EQ \PtToCm\backspace \NC\NR
   \NC textwidth \EQ \PtToCm\textwidth \NC\NR
   \NC cutspace  \EQ \PtToCm\cutspace  \NC\NR
   \stoptabulate
   \page}

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] place figure without \placefigure

2009-11-17 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 17.11.2009 um 12:26 schrieb R. Bastian:

 Hello,
 
 in a german text I have to place two figures and a table.
 
 If I use \placefigure they are well centered - but with french captions: Table
 or Figure. I dont need the captions. 
 Without \placefigure, the figures are not centered.
 
 Is there a way ?

\placefigure[none]{}{\externalfigure[...]}

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing between floating figure caption and surrounding text

2009-11-17 Thread Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky

Hello Taco

Normally, you would do \setupfloat[figure][after=] but that does not
seem to work very well for side floats, sorry.
   

Thanks for trying to help! :)

Actually, I discovered from It's in details that

\placefigure[inner, low]{ }

is ok for my situation.

Another questions is: how to setup low parameter for all figures globally?

Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] place figure without \placefigure

2009-11-17 Thread R. Bastian
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:01:11 +0100
Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com scribit:

 
 Am 17.11.2009 um 12:26 schrieb R. Bastian:
 
  Hello,
  
  in a german text I have to place two figures and a table.
  
  If I use \placefigure they are well centered - but with french captions: 
  Table
  or Figure. I dont need the captions. 
  Without \placefigure, the figures are not centered.
  
  Is there a way ?
 
 \placefigure[none]{}{\externalfigure[...]}

it wörks nit, but

\midaligned{{\externalfigure[...]}}

wörks ;-)

 
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Re: [NTG-context] the meaning of cutspace

2009-11-17 Thread luigi scarso
 The first thing context does is to check the value of width:
 (the width of the textarea is stored in \makeupwidth, not \textwidth)

 1. width=middle

 if cutspace=0pt then cutspace=backspace endif

 makeupwidth = paperwidth - backspace - cutspace


 2. width=fit

 when i look at the source i don't know if anyone want this setting because
 very complicated and the calculation is

 makeupwidth = paperwidth - (backspace - leftmargin - leftmargindistance - 
 leftedge - ...) - (cutspace - rightmargin - ...)


 3. width=dimen

 makeupwidth = dimen


 Example:

 \definelayout[1][backspace=4cm,width=12cm]
 \definelayout[2][backspace=5cm,cutspace=7cm,width=middle]
 \definelayout[3][backspace=3cm,cutspace=0pt,width=middle]
 \definelayout[4][backspace=4cm,width=fit]
 \definelayout[5][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=3cm,width=fit]
 \definelayout[6][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=4cm,width=fit]
 \definelayout[7][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,width=fit]
 \definelayout[8][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,rightmargin=3cm,width=fit]
 \definelayout[9][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,rightmargin=4cm,width=fit]
 \definelayout[10][backspace=4cm,leftmargin=2cm,rightmargin=2cm,width=fit]

 \showframe

 \starttext

 \dorecurse{10}
  {\starttabulate
   \NC backspace \EQ \PtToCm\backspace \NC\NR
   \NC textwidth \EQ \PtToCm\textwidth \NC\NR
   \NC cutspace  \EQ \PtToCm\cutspace  \NC\NR
   \stoptabulate
   \page}

 \stoptext

 Wolfgang

to  wikify ... where ?

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Re: [NTG-context] the meaning of cutspace

2009-11-17 Thread Taco Hoekwater


luigi scarso wrote:
 
 to  wikify ... where ?

  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout ?

Best wishes,
Taco



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Re: [NTG-context] the meaning of cutspace

2009-11-17 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote:

  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout ?

OK, I will wait until this evening and  then I will do it .


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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Curiouslearn
I tried Metapost last year for a few graphs and liked the fact that it
is tightly integrated with Context. I found John Hobby's document a
good place to learn it and then used Hans' Metafun to learn further.
The reason I am looking at Asymptote and pstricks is because they have
libraries or functionality which Metapost lacks. For example, the tree
drawing library in pstricks. If Metapost has such a library I don't
know since I cannot find any document that explains the new things
added to Metapost other than what is mentioned in Metafun(2001). As
you said documentation is lacking.
Similarly, Asymptote allows one to find intersection points of any two
paths (even nonlinear paths). I am not sure whether Metapost can do
that.

I keep reading that Taco is working on development of Metapost.
However, I am not sure what exactly has changed. If there is any new
documentation, I would love to read it.

Thanks.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote:
 On Monday 16 November 2009 23:57:28 Curiouslearn wrote:
 Thanks everyone for replying.

 Alan, the tikz module does not work with MKIV. From what I have read
 before, it seems it will not unless the creator of tikz makes some
 changes to tikz package so that it works with Context. I am not sure
 how likely that is.


 I know that tikz is (currently) not working under mkiv, but I choose to ignore
 this as I expect that this will be fixed. I have not been concerned with this,
 as I no longer actively use tikz. Indeed, since learning (and still learning)
 metapost, I find it far superior: cleaner syntax, much more powerful... Tikz
 is/was a very welcome addition to laTeX, but metapost, whose syntax is more
 closely related to plain TeX, is more coherent with ConTeXt. So I now find the
 syntax of tikz uncomfortable under ConTeXt.

 I still sometimes use LaTeX for the submission of articles to scientific
 journals (in particular using RevTeX), but I now use ConTeXt
 (\startTEXpage\stopTEXpage) to make the figures (that must be submitted as
 separate files in any case).

 Alan

 P.S. What I really liked about tikz is the quality of its documentation, in
 particular the tutorial that is very clear. The documentation for metapost
 (and metafun) is very good, but not so easy. *We* need to write a good
 tutorial!
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Re: [NTG-context] kpathsea510.dll couldn't be found

2009-11-17 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:22, Helmut Schwertner wrote:
 Hello,

 On my contextminimals there ist no file named kpathsea510.dll. Only
 kpathsea500.dll etc.

 What can I do?

Yell at me for not setting up Arthur's lua code yet. (Though the file
should be there now.)

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
2009/11/17 Curiouslearn curiousle...@gmail.com:
 The reason I am looking at Asymptote and pstricks is because they have
 libraries or functionality which Metapost lacks. For example, the tree
 drawing library in pstricks. If Metapost has such a library I don't
 know since I cannot find any document that explains the new things
 added to Metapost other than what is mentioned in Metafun(2001). As
 you said documentation is lacking.

Google for metapost tree, and you'll find at least this:
http://www.isi.edu/~chiang/software/texmf/texmf.html

Don't know it it works, I don't use MetaPost myself.

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Curiouslearn
Thanks, Hraban.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm hra...@fiee.net wrote:
 2009/11/17 Curiouslearn curiousle...@gmail.com:
 The reason I am looking at Asymptote and pstricks is because they have
 libraries or functionality which Metapost lacks. For example, the tree
 drawing library in pstricks. If Metapost has such a library I don't
 know since I cannot find any document that explains the new things
 added to Metapost other than what is mentioned in Metafun(2001). As
 you said documentation is lacking.

 Google for metapost tree, and you'll find at least this:
 http://www.isi.edu/~chiang/software/texmf/texmf.html

 Don't know it it works, I don't use MetaPost myself.

 Greetlings, Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Curiouslearn curiousle...@gmail.com wrote:

Also I like them :
google search
Metapost metaobj
Metapost metagraph
Metapost UML
Metapost melusine


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Re: [NTG-context] osx-64-binaries/minimals

2009-11-17 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:33, Andreas Harder wrote:
 Hi all!

 If I update the minimals via first-setup.sh I get the 32bit-binaries (luatex) 
 although I'm on Snow Leopard. If I change the binaries myself it works fine 
 and the compilation is notable faster!

We had a lengthy discussion about Snow Leopard. The last message was
Yue Wang's proposal to check for 64-bit compatibility:

 The hardware test:
 Yue:context yue$  if test `sysctl -n hw.cpu64bit_capable | grep -c 1` = 1 ; 
 then  echo yes; else echo no; fi
 yes

 The software test:
 Yue:context yue$  if test `uname -r|cut -f1 -d.`  -ge 10 ; then echo yes; 
 else echo no; fi
 yes

This test needs to be fixed in:
- first-setup.sh
- setuptex
- mtxrun.lua

The biggest problem is the latest one. I'm not sure if Hans is willing
to implement that in MKIV and I'm still not decided if I want to mess
with that ugly code or not.

The reason for the change:
- a bit faster and a bit more puristic

The reason against the change:
- a bit ugly
- the 32-bit binaries work
- one can always boot in 64-bit mode

There's always a third option to provide fat binaries, but as others
would probably confirm: they are a bit fat indeed. Three times the
original size since we now support 3 platforms.

Any other votes?

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 14:40:04 Curiouslearn wrote:
 I tried Metapost last year for a few graphs and liked the fact that it
 is tightly integrated with Context. I found John Hobby's document a
 good place to learn it and then used Hans' Metafun to learn further.
 The reason I am looking at Asymptote and pstricks is because they have
 libraries or functionality which Metapost lacks. For example, the tree
 drawing library in pstricks. If Metapost has such a library I don't
 know since I cannot find any document that explains the new things
 added to Metapost other than what is mentioned in Metafun(2001). As
 you said documentation is lacking.

pgf/tikz has a nice tree building function.
pgfplots is a fairly evolved and active data plotting package.


Concerning metapost,
graph.mp is pretty powerful, but is missing some functionality.
piechartmp is also available (although I never use pie charts!)
featpost and mp3d give some nice, basic, 3d capability.
metagraph, metaobj, ...

It would be interesting to see a good tree drawing macro package
under metapost; I have yet to take the time to see what is out there.

The ConTeXt community (and via the minimals distribution) can keep
this active... So much to do!

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote:

 The ConTeXt community (and via the minimals distribution) can keep
 this active... So much to do!

yes, true: for example
metaobj is in the minimals

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Curiouslearn wrote:


Mojca, in case you read this, can you please let me know what the
status on asymptote is.


I am not Mojca, but I'll comment on this anyways :)

I looked into integrating asymptote this summer (spent around a month 
going to asymptote macro code). Asymptote works fine with mkiv, if you use 
asymptote in a stand alone mode. Getting asymptote to run within context 
is easy or extremely difficult; depending on how you look at it.


If one wants to set everything the asymptote way, and simply want

\startASYcode
...
\stopASYcode

to copy its content to its file, create a asymptote figure and insert it 
in context, that is easy. You just need to tweak three lines of m-r.tex 
and you are done (m-r.tex is around 15 lines only). But that means that 
the user is responsible for setting all the fonts on his own (using 
asymptote syntax).


To be at par with metapost, we should have \startASYenvironment to set the 
fonts, \startASYinclusions to define macros, and then \startASYcode to 
create figures; maybe also have \defineASYgraphic (need to set 
OverlayWidth etc.) and \defineASYreusablegraphic. Ideally, we should also 
have the equivalent of \sometxt, but after going through asymptote code, I 
gave up on that (establishing a two way communication between asymptote and 
context is difficult).


Most of the above is easy (in terms of implementation); but one needs to 
understand asymptote and context to implement them. I did not completely 
understand the low level asymptote code, so after a while, integrating 
asymptote got low on my priorities. Maybe someone else should look at it 
seriously.


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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Hans Hagen

luigi scarso wrote:

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Curiouslearn curiousle...@gmail.com wrote:

Also I like them :
google search
Metapost metaobj
Metapost metagraph
Metapost UML
Metapost melusine


fyi:

you can define extra mp instances in order avoid clashes:

\defineMPinstance[whatever1][format=metafun,extensions=yes,initializations=yes]
\defineMPinstance[whatever2][format=mpost]

\startMPdefinitions{whatever1}
input metaobj;
\stopMPdefinitions

\startuseMPgraphic{whatevere1::mygraphic}
.

should work


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Re: [NTG-context] framed items

2009-11-17 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, luigi scarso wrote:


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote:

from pack-rul:

  \else\ifx\localwidth\v!broad
    \boxhaswidthtrue
    \!!framedwidth\hsize
  \else\ifx\localwidth\v!local
    \boxhaswidthtrue
    \setlocalhsize
    \!!framedwidth\localhsize

use \framed[width=local] and don't forget \setlocalhsize after \startitemize.

yes, right. I remembered of something similar
That's what I mean with not sure that  \hsize and \startitemize must
play well together


\showframe
\starttext
\framed[width=\hsize,align=middle]{width=hsize\the\hsize}
\startitemize
\setlocalhsize
\item \framed[width=\hsize,align=middle] {width=hsize,hsize=\the\hsize}
\item \framed[width=broad,align=middle] {width=broad,hsize=\the\hsize}
\item \framed[width=local,align=middle] {width=local,hsize=\the\hsize}
\item 
\framed[width=\localhsize,align=middle]{width=localsize,hsize=\the\hsize,localsize=\the\localhsize}
\stopitemize
\stoptext

Aditya, what do you think  ?


I did not know about width=local (and therefore wanted width=broad to 
behave like it). Given that, I think that broad behaves just fine. These 
differnt options need to be documented better.


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Re: [NTG-context] framed items

2009-11-17 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:

 I did not know about width=local (and therefore wanted width=broad to behave
 like it). Given that, I think that broad behaves just fine. These differnt
 options need to be documented better.
yes, in the wiki... where ?

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Re: [NTG-context] framed items

2009-11-17 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009, luigi scarso wrote:


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:


I did not know about width=local (and therefore wanted width=broad to behave
like it). Given that, I think that broad behaves just fine. These differnt
options need to be documented better.

yes, in the wiki... where ?


Not sure. It could go on the page on Framed, but how ConTeXt treats 
\textwidth, \hsize, \localhsize is more general, so maybe on a new page.


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Re: [NTG-context] osx-64-binaries/minimals

2009-11-17 Thread Hans Hagen

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:33, Andreas Harder wrote:

Hi all!

If I update the minimals via first-setup.sh I get the 32bit-binaries (luatex) 
although I'm on Snow Leopard. If I change the binaries myself it works fine and 
the compilation is notable faster!


We had a lengthy discussion about Snow Leopard. The last message was
Yue Wang's proposal to check for 64-bit compatibility:


The hardware test:
Yue:context yue$  if test `sysctl -n hw.cpu64bit_capable | grep -c 1` = 1 ; 
then  echo yes; else echo no; fi
yes

The software test:
Yue:context yue$  if test `uname -r|cut -f1 -d.`  -ge 10 ; then echo yes; 
else echo no; fi
yes


hm, we need to use the methods built in luatex

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Re: [NTG-context] rotate a figure

2009-11-17 Thread Hans Hagen

Peter Münster wrote:

On Tue, Nov 17 2009, R. Bastian wrote:


\rotate[rotation=90]{\externalfigure[filename]}

\externalfigure[filename][orientation=90] ;)


OK, it is the param I hoped to get, but how to find it in the doc ?


Hello,

I suppose, that you can find orientation=... only in the sources, but
\rotate[]{} is a standard command that you can find in the wiki, in
mp-cb-en.pdf and in texshow.


\placefigure[here,90]{}{}


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Re: [NTG-context] Producing PDF x/1-a:2001 output.

2009-11-17 Thread John Culleton
On Monday 02 November 2009 08:36:41 Hans Hagen wrote:
 John Culleton wrote:
  The documentation for pdfx goes through the source section 
by
  section and discusses what each does.

 it's easier for me to preflight a file and see what acrobat reports

 btw, things like color and fonts are easy as one can configure 
this; and
 there might be a few additional resources needed but that's 
easy

 in my experience the problem is more with embedded graphics 
and these
 are out of our control

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There are two tasks for crating a PDF x/1-a:2001 file. First limits 
must be imposed per the standard. Second the pdf file must 
look like a PDF x1-a:2001 file to the printer and his software. 
The tag at the top of the file is of course trivial. But there is some
xml code embedded also. 

If a dummy file were created in e.g., pdf 1.4, and then a copy were 
made in Distiller with PDF X/1-a:2001, then a differential analysis
could show out the elements (e.g., xml code) spelled out above. 
In Linux I  would use the diff command but I don't think that is 
available to Windows users.

Scribus will soon produce PDF X/1-a:2001 documents. It is already 
a menu choice in the alpha version Scribus 1.5.0. But the code 
behind the menu choice isn't in place yet.  When it is I will do a 
diff run on two versions of the same file and see what is different.  
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Re: [NTG-context] kpathsea510.dll couldn't be found

2009-11-17 Thread Helmut Schwertner

Hello Mojca,

thank you very much. I played it little bit and curiously and unexpected 
the file ›kpathsea510.dll‹ is in the directory 
›C:\context\tex\texmf-mswin\bin‹. Perfect. All works fine.


Beforehand I copied the ›luatex.exe‹ in the directory ›C:\context\bin‹. 
Is it possible that there ist a relation between the (new) file 
luatex.exe in my directory ›C:\context\bin‹ and the (for me) new file 
kpathsea510.dll? I understand nothing about this.


Thanks and greetings,

Helmut



Mojca Miklavec schrieb am 17.11.2009 14:50:

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:22, Helmut Schwertner wrote:
  

Hello,

On my contextminimals there ist no file named kpathsea510.dll. Only
kpathsea500.dll etc.

What can I do?



Yell at me for not setting up Arthur's lua code yet. (Though the file
should be there now.)

Mojca

  




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Re: [NTG-context] Producing PDF x/1-a:2001 output.

2009-11-17 Thread Hans Hagen

John Culleton wrote:

There are two tasks for crating a PDF x/1-a:2001 file. First limits 
must be imposed per the standard. Second the pdf file must 
look like a PDF x1-a:2001 file to the printer and his software. 
The tag at the top of the file is of course trivial. But there is some
xml code embedded also. 


mkiv can include the xml blob but currently the code is disabled as we 
need an uncompressed stream which currently is not possible at the lua 
end (under construction) and i'm not going to write a temporary solution


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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Hans Hagen

luigi scarso wrote:

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

fyi:

you can define extra mp instances in order avoid clashes:

\defineMPinstance[whatever1][format=metafun,extensions=yes,initializations=yes]
\defineMPinstance[whatever2][format=mpost]

\startMPdefinitions{whatever1}
input metaobj;
\stopMPdefinitions

\startuseMPgraphic{whatevere1::mygraphic}

Is there something for luatex too ?


eh .. this is for mkiv

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing between floating figure caption and surrounding text

2009-11-17 Thread Hans Hagen

Taco Hoekwater wrote:


Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:

Hello,

Another question about figures. How to get rid of big spacing between
floating figure caption and surrounding text?

In the following example, I want the spacing between  Figure 1 and the
text below to be twice less.


Normally, you would do \setupfloat[figure][after=] but that does not
seem to work very well for side floats, sorry.


sidespacebefore
sidespaceafter



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Re: [NTG-context] osx-64-binaries/minimals

2009-11-17 Thread Taco Hoekwater


Hans Hagen wrote:
 Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:33, Andreas Harder wrote:
 Hi all!

 If I update the minimals via first-setup.sh I get the 32bit-binaries
 (luatex) although I'm on Snow Leopard. If I change the binaries
 myself it works fine and the compilation is notable faster!

 We had a lengthy discussion about Snow Leopard. The last message was
 Yue Wang's proposal to check for 64-bit compatibility:

 The hardware test:
 Yue:context yue$  if test `sysctl -n hw.cpu64bit_capable | grep -c 1`
 = 1 ; then  echo yes; else echo no; fi
 yes

 The software test:
 Yue:context yue$  if test `uname -r|cut -f1 -d.`  -ge 10 ; then
 echo yes; else echo no; fi
 yes
 
 hm, we need to use the methods built in luatex

Someone should check what is returned in the os.uname() return table.

Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] Sort register (index) by Bible book

2009-11-17 Thread Jelle Huisman

On 17/11/2009 07:48, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Using
   \index[Samuel 1 1:1]{1 Samuel 1:1}

Should change the sort order. Untested, though.
   


He probably wants to get Genesis before Exodus (etc.) instead. So would 
it be possible to tell the index mechanism to sort certain items in an 
arbitrary order?  (I don't know what \sort and \loadsorts do?)


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Re: [NTG-context] kpathsea510.dll couldn't be found

2009-11-17 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 16:57, Helmut Schwertner wrote:
 Hello Mojca,

 thank you very much. I played it little bit and curiously and unexpected the
 file ›kpathsea510.dll‹ is in the directory ›C:\context\tex\texmf-mswin\bin‹.
 Perfect. All works fine.

 Beforehand I copied the ›luatex.exe‹ in the directory ›C:\context\bin‹. Is
 it possible that there ist a relation between the (new) file luatex.exe in
 my directory ›C:\context\bin‹ and the (for me) new file kpathsea510.dll? I
 understand nothing about this.

I don't understand the question. I added the file to repository and
suspect that this problem will hit again unless I fix the problem
properly.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Sort register (index) by Bible book

2009-11-17 Thread Taco Hoekwater


Jelle Huisman wrote:
 On 17/11/2009 07:48, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 Using
\index[Samuel 1 1:1]{1 Samuel 1:1}

 Should change the sort order. Untested, though.

 
 He probably wants to get Genesis before Exodus (etc.) instead. So would
 it be possible to tell the index mechanism to sort certain items in an
 arbitrary order?  (I don't know what \sort and \loadsorts do?)

You could pre-assign a zero-padded number to each book (Genesis=001,
Exodus=002), and use that number inside the square brackets.

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Re: [NTG-context] osx-64-binaries/minimals

2009-11-17 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 17:16, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 Hans Hagen wrote:
 Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:33, Andreas Harder wrote:
 Hi all!

 If I update the minimals via first-setup.sh I get the 32bit-binaries
 (luatex) although I'm on Snow Leopard. If I change the binaries
 myself it works fine and the compilation is notable faster!

 We had a lengthy discussion about Snow Leopard. The last message was
 Yue Wang's proposal to check for 64-bit compatibility:

 The hardware test:
 Yue:context yue$  if test `sysctl -n hw.cpu64bit_capable | grep -c 1`
 = 1 ; then  echo yes; else echo no; fi
 yes

 The software test:
 Yue:context yue$  if test `uname -r|cut -f1 -d.`  -ge 10 ; then
 echo yes; else echo no; fi
 yes

 hm, we need to use the methods built in luatex

 Someone should check what is returned in the os.uname() return table.

Mine returns

t={
 [machine]=x86_64,
 [nodename]=...[my ip]...,
 [release]=10.0.0,
 [sysname]=Darwin,
 [version]=Darwin Kernel Version 10.0.0: Fri Jul 31 22:46:25 PDT
2009; root:xnu-1456.1.25~1/RELEASE_X86_64,
}

but I'm booting in 64-bit mode (I need to reboot first to check for
return value in 32-bit mode).

On one hand uname doesn't return anything usable when booting with
32-bit kernel, but on the other hand one probably already runs the
64-bit luatex at the time when mtxrun needs to determine the
architecture.

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 23:57, Curiouslearn wrote:
 Thanks everyone for replying.

 Mojca, in case you read this, can you please let me know what the
 status on asymptote is.

I read it***, but I already forgot what the state was. I had to find
the thread where I suggested a few changes, but the main people
involved were Michail and Aditya. (Those who knew what was going on
behind the scenes.)

(***I ofter skip threads where no hot keywords appear in subject.
You can CC me if you don't get any answer from me for some reasonable
time.)

From what I remember (Michail, please correct me if I'm wrong) and
apart from what Aditya wrote:
- you can always use standalone asymptote files to generate figures,
for example:

settings.tex=context;
texpreamble(\usetypescript[iwona]);
texpreamble(\usetypescript[antykwa-torunska]);
label($A$,0,N,font(iwona));
label($A$,0,S,font(antykwa)+red);

- Aditya described the integrated graphics (\startASY ... \stopASY)
pretty well - in a quick-and-dirty way it can be done easily, but more
difficult to do it properly. If it would help you a lot to have a
quick-and-dirty solution for that, let us know. Now that TeX Live
includes asymptote it is much easier for everyone to test it.

- Michail was working on 3D support (that is making 3D text out of tex
labels), but I have no idea what the status of that is.

 Alan, the tikz module does not work with MKIV. From what I have read
 before, it seems it will not unless the creator of tikz makes some
 changes to tikz package so that it works with Context. I am not sure
 how likely that is.

In past Till has *always* fixed any bug reported, but I have not heard
from him since March (neither as reply to off-list requests nor any
response to the mailing list).

 Thomas or someone else can you please confirm that the pstricks module
 works with MKIV. Also, where I can find the module? It is not there
 with the other third party modules.

It's part of ConTeXt core, but the problem is that one needs a
separate TeX run (PSTricks only works with tex-dvips-ps2pdf and that
is awfully slow). I cannot tell you if it works with mkiv - probably
not, but I can only tell you that the number of users is limiting
towards zero and with that number of users you are almost on your own.
I would say that tikz is much better in almost any respect, but then
... I have no idea why Till has been so silent for such a long time.

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 15:12, curiouslearn wrote:

 The reason I am asking is that eventually all the new Context features will be
 in MKIV. I want to know what graphics packages I can use with it other than
 Metapost.

Answering that question alone: I would go with TikZ. You are free to
use Asymptote whenever other packages don't satisfy your needs. A
quick-and-dirty(-and-not-too-fast) support can be implemented easily.

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 17:57, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 15:12, curiouslearn wrote:

 The reason I am asking is that eventually all the new Context features will 
 be
 in MKIV. I want to know what graphics packages I can use with it other than
 Metapost.

 Answering that question alone: I would go with TikZ. You are free to
 use Asymptote whenever other packages don't satisfy your needs. A
 quick-and-dirty(-and-not-too-fast) support can be implemented easily.

I just forgot to add: MKIV is currently broken in TL 2009 and
asymptote is not part of minimals (yet). In both cases I guess that
I'm the one to blame for both. I'll be on health leave (skipping
work) for the next 7-10 days, so you should better hurry up if you
need anything :) :) :)

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Mojca Miklavec
mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just forgot to add: MKIV is currently broken in TL 2009
AFAIK it was not a strict target, and anyway I see no problem

 and asymptote is not part of minimals (yet).
nothing against asy, but maybe we don't need it in minimals

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Hans Hagen

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 17:57, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 15:12, curiouslearn wrote:

The reason I am asking is that eventually all the new Context features will be
in MKIV. I want to know what graphics packages I can use with it other than
Metapost.

Answering that question alone: I would go with TikZ. You are free to
use Asymptote whenever other packages don't satisfy your needs. A
quick-and-dirty(-and-not-too-fast) support can be implemented easily.


I just forgot to add: MKIV is currently broken in TL 2009 and
asymptote is not part of minimals (yet). In both cases I guess that
I'm the one to blame for both. I'll be on health leave (skipping
work) for the next 7-10 days, so you should better hurry up if you
need anything :) :) :)


hey, you're not to blame for tex live .. that's just because tl was 
frozen already long ago



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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Hans Hagen

Mojca Miklavec wrote:


In past Till has *always* fixed any bug reported, but I have not heard
from him since March (neither as reply to off-list requests nor any
response to the mailing list).


Thomas or someone else can you please confirm that the pstricks module
works with MKIV. Also, where I can find the module? It is not there
with the other third party modules.


if i'd know where to search i could fix it ... has to do with adding 
resources to the pdf


does all tikz graphics fail?

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Re: [NTG-context] spacing between floating figure caption and surrounding text

2009-11-17 Thread Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky

Hello Hans,


sidespacebefore
sidespaceafter


Yes, I played with them, but did not understand their logic.
Is 'high' equals to sidespacebefore=0
'low' -- to sidespaceafter=0?

In other words, how to duplicate the effect of 'low' using sidespace 
options?


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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 18:22, Hans Hagen wrote:
 Mojca Miklavec wrote:

 I just forgot to add: MKIV is currently broken in TL 2009 and
 asymptote is not part of minimals (yet). In both cases I guess that
 I'm the one to blame for both. I'll be on health leave (skipping
 work) for the next 7-10 days, so you should better hurry up if you
 need anything :) :) :)

 hey, you're not to blame for tex live .. that's just because tl was frozen
 already long ago

I'm to blame for not setting up the ConTeXt-specific TL repository yet
(for which Norbert has written the code twice already).

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Curiouslearn
Thanks to all who made some suggestions about where I can find
Metapost libraries. Will look into those.

It seems Asymptote + Tikz  is a good way to go and also try out Metapost again.

Mojca, you  said that number of pstricks users are decreasing. Is this
amongst Context users, or in general amongst all users who use
pstricks. If the overall number of users is decreasing then perhaps I
don't want to spend time learning it as it won't have new features in
the future. I don't like its syntax, though it can do neat things.
Asymptote syntax is really good.

Thanks again.


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Mojca Miklavec
mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 18:22, Hans Hagen wrote:
 Mojca Miklavec wrote:

 I just forgot to add: MKIV is currently broken in TL 2009 and
 asymptote is not part of minimals (yet). In both cases I guess that
 I'm the one to blame for both. I'll be on health leave (skipping
 work) for the next 7-10 days, so you should better hurry up if you
 need anything :) :) :)

 hey, you're not to blame for tex live .. that's just because tl was frozen
 already long ago

 I'm to blame for not setting up the ConTeXt-specific TL repository yet
 (for which Norbert has written the code twice already).

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 20:35, Curiouslearn wrote:
 Thanks to all who made some suggestions about where I can find
 Metapost libraries. Will look into those.

 It seems Asymptote + Tikz  is a good way to go and also try out Metapost 
 again.

 Mojca, you  said that number of pstricks users are decreasing.

I didn't say that it's decreasing. I just said that it's really low,
but I meant ConTeXt users with that. There are still plenty LaTeX
users around.

The main problem is that PS Tricks cannot be very well integrated
unless one uses tex-dvips, but ConTeXt doesn't use that for ages and
there is basically no support for dvi in ConTeXt either.

 Is this
 amongst Context users, or in general amongst all users who use
 pstricks. If the overall number of users is decreasing then perhaps I
 don't want to spend time learning it as it won't have new features in
 the future. I don't like its syntax, though it can do neat things.

Are there any neat features that you won't to do, but cannot do with
TikZ? (I'm sure there are some, but I'm also sure that 99% of drawings
can be done in a very similar way in TikZ as well unless there is a
well-developed PSTricks library around that's missing in TikZ.)

Asymptote is very similar to MetaPost. The main reason why I would
want to use it is to draw 3D, else I would go for MetaPost since it's
much faster and better integrated when used within ConTeXt.

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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Curiouslearn
I think I should give Metapost a try. There are two reasons, I tried
out asymptote
(i) Its syntax seems easier to remember
(ii) It can find intersections of curves (not only straight lines)
quite easily.

Can Metapost do the second? Anyhow, I am going to give it a try again
to see if I like it.

Thanks.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mojca Miklavec
mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 20:35, Curiouslearn wrote:
 Thanks to all who made some suggestions about where I can find
 Metapost libraries. Will look into those.

 It seems Asymptote + Tikz  is a good way to go and also try out Metapost 
 again.

 Mojca, you  said that number of pstricks users are decreasing.

 I didn't say that it's decreasing. I just said that it's really low,
 but I meant ConTeXt users with that. There are still plenty LaTeX
 users around.

 The main problem is that PS Tricks cannot be very well integrated
 unless one uses tex-dvips, but ConTeXt doesn't use that for ages and
 there is basically no support for dvi in ConTeXt either.

 Is this
 amongst Context users, or in general amongst all users who use
 pstricks. If the overall number of users is decreasing then perhaps I
 don't want to spend time learning it as it won't have new features in
 the future. I don't like its syntax, though it can do neat things.

 Are there any neat features that you won't to do, but cannot do with
 TikZ? (I'm sure there are some, but I'm also sure that 99% of drawings
 can be done in a very similar way in TikZ as well unless there is a
 well-developed PSTricks library around that's missing in TikZ.)

 Asymptote is very similar to MetaPost. The main reason why I would
 want to use it is to draw 3D, else I would go for MetaPost since it's
 much faster and better integrated when used within ConTeXt.

 Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Hans Hagen

Curiouslearn wrote:

I think I should give Metapost a try. There are two reasons, I tried
out asymptote
(i) Its syntax seems easier to remember
(ii) It can find intersections of curves (not only straight lines)
quite easily.


mp can do intersections and future versions of mp might provide new 
functionality as well


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Re: [NTG-context] Pstricks and Asymptote

2009-11-17 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 17.11.2009 um 18:25 schrieb Hans Hagen:

 Thomas or someone else can you please confirm that the pstricks module
 works with MKIV. Also, where I can find the module? It is not there
 with the other third party modules.
 
 if i'd know where to search i could fix it ... has to do with adding 
 resources to the pdf

http://tug.org/mailman/htdig/macostex-archives/2009-April/040222.html

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Re: [NTG-context] the meaning of cutspace

2009-11-17 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote:


 luigi scarso wrote:

 to  wikify ... where ?

  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout ?
done


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Re: [NTG-context] framed items

2009-11-17 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:
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done at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Framed#Width_broad_and_local
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[NTG-context] Remove bold face

2009-11-17 Thread anuar lezama
Hello Everybody, My problem is the following: I'm creating chapter's titles
with a mix of styles. For example. \chapter{ something {\bolditalic another
thing}} This give me the result that I expect with my titles, but when I use
this title's string to create a header, part of the header appears with the
bold italic style on it and I would like to remove it. So far I have tried
to define my header's style as normal but the bolditalic style keeps
appearing on the another thing part. Is there a way to remove this bold
style? Thank you in advance for the help -- Kind Regards Anuar
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Re: [NTG-context] osx-64-binaries/minimals

2009-11-17 Thread Taco Hoekwater

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

The software test:
Yue:context yue$  if test `uname -r|cut -f1 -d.`  -ge 10 ; then
echo yes; else echo no; fi
yes

hm, we need to use the methods built in luatex

Someone should check what is returned in the os.uname() return table.


Mine returns

t={
 [machine]=x86_64,
 [nodename]=...[my ip]...,
 [release]=10.0.0,
 [sysname]=Darwin,
 [version]=Darwin Kernel Version 10.0.0: Fri Jul 31 22:46:25 PDT
2009; root:xnu-1456.1.25~1/RELEASE_X86_64,
}

but I'm booting in 64-bit mode (I need to reboot first to check for
return value in 32-bit mode).

On one hand uname doesn't return anything usable when booting with
32-bit kernel, but on the other hand one probably already runs the
64-bit luatex at the time when mtxrun needs to determine the
architecture.


Well, I doubt you can discover whether you have a totally 32bit software
environment with a 64bit kernel without lots of trickery (but I could
be wrong about that). In any case, os.uname() will give the same results
as the shell command uname.

64bit osx runs 32bit executables (I assume) so you could make the
initial luatex (the one used during install) be a 32bit one, then make
that one decide on which one to use for normal typesetting?

Best wishes,
Taco


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Re: [NTG-context] Remove bold face

2009-11-17 Thread Taco Hoekwater


anuar lezama wrote:
 Hello Everybody, My problem is the following: I'm creating chapter's
 titles with a mix of styles. For example. \chapter{ something
 {\bolditalic another thing}} This give me the result that I expect with

\nomarking {\bolditalic } should do the trick.

Best wishes,
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