Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
Michael Saunders wrote: \definefontfeature[su][default][sups=yes]%superior \definefontfeature[nu][default][numr=yes]%numerator I may be missing something on my side, but I can't get sups=yes to work at all. \definefontfeature[default][default][mode=node,script=latn,sups=yes] \switchtobodyfont[palatino,11pt] \starttext hello 123 \stoptext Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] simplebib
Sorry, I meant the first only.
There are two commands \bibitem and \bibsource which are not clear
to me.
When i decode the code (ugly formatting) correct this works:
\starttext
bla \in{book}[knuth:1] bla
bla \bibref[knuth:2]{} bla
bla \bibref[knuth:3]{} bla
\startbibliography
\bibitem[knuth:1]{} Donald E. Knuth, The \TeX book
\bibitem[knuth:2]{Knuth} Donald E. Knuth, The \METAFONT-book
\bibsource[key=knuth:3,title=The Art of Computer Programming,...]
\stopbibliography
\stoptext
Wolfgang
That means that these two commands are alternatives.
Do you know who is the author of this. There is a version number 0.04
and the comment (still in development). I have made some corrections
and don't want to do this in the wiki without contacting the author.
There should also be a example of usage, maybe yours?
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
On 13-4-2010 12:58, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:41:59PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 12-4-2010 9:43, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 09:23:02PM +0200, Marco wrote: With MkIV \cap and \nocap is no longer necessary when you have a opentype font with the smcp (smallcapitals) and c2sc (capitals to smallcapitals) features. Thanks for your explanation. But why doesn't your example work with the latin modern fonts? Don't they have these features? I'd be surprised when they don't have small caps. They don't have a small caps OpenType feature (smcp) for a reason beyond to me, they however have an old-fashioned separate small caps font. this is because they are cm compatible (the initial objective of the project was a merge of all those variants) in the future we might have extra lm fonts that have those features but the team is still not sure if this should be done ... it makes much sense for consistency to have smallcaps merged in the normal shapes but even then there would be a separate smallcaps font as well A separate small caps font made sense for Type1 fonts (where CM compatibility would matter), but for OpenType fonts I fail to see the reasoning for this. this is not the place to elaborate on this (more for the usual font bof session at bachotek) but to some extend it's a packaging issue: why a full smallcaps embedded but not an italic; a similar discussion is taking place with regards to the lm math fonts: either or not to embed the three sizes as in practice one might want to combine different design sizes anyway I would liked to send patches to LM fonts project, but they don't have a source repository and their work flow depends on proprietary software that I cannot afford. concerning the workflow you're wrong ... they use public tools like metatype1 which is free ... and they're currently building a tool chain for the math fonts I was referring to OpenType programming where they use Adobe AFDKO which is a proprietary software that run only on proprietary OS, and with lack of sources I can't even provide patches against the feature files, I can make modified fonts but I don't think they will accept it. Even MetaType1, it is written with only Windows users in mind; I can't use the supplied batch files and I can't understand them (with no documentation at all) to write a replacement. the team is considering to use fontforge in script mode but then the oppososite is happening as fontforge does not run that well on windows (needs mingw or cygwin + some x server) which is not much different from running AFDKO in wine or so and just like metatype1's toolkit is written with windows (actually dos) in mind (the toolkit evolved over many years an at that time there was no easy to use linux around anyway) many other tools in the tex suite of programs have a strong bias towards unix so it's a all matter of history and as the gust foundation team is the official team for tex related font development they have been given complete freedom in choosing their tools concerning the repos you're right ... given earlier experiences with lack of quality assurance in public fonts the lm/gyre project follows strickt procedures and only the core team can patch ... of course you can send suggestions and patches but the core team decides Closed development is not the solution for lack of proper QA, proper QA is the solution; you can have open development model with public repos, bug tracker, roadmaps etc. and still maintain a strict QA process, there are many free software projects with very high QA standards but still running an open development model. With open development you encourage potential contributors who may or my not very valuable to you project. sure, but there has been many discussions about this (mostly at bachotex i admit) and other font experts present (in addition to the team) there also have their worries about sensitive things like patching fonts ... of course a patch for a otf generator is not the same as a patch for a shape and it's the shapes that i was talking of .. it's already somewhat debatable to add shapes to artistic work fyi: the gyre team (gust font foundation) has now reverted to the core urw fonts for which they got the copyright and it made it possible to get rid of some ugly artefacts and glyphs (again, lack of qa had rendered the latest public urw fonts somewhat useless) There is still a long way to go, the Greek glyph for example are ranging from suboptimal to pure crap. indeed, greek and cyrillic are the shapes that will be kicked out and redone as they're bugged and crappy (something that happens when anyone can add to a font and the main reason why the team wanted to get the copyright on the originals so that they can kick out bad stuff cq. start from scratch) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
I may be missing something on my side, but I can't get sups=yes
to work at all.
\definefontfeature[default][default][mode=node,script=latn,sups=yes]
\switchtobodyfont[palatino,11pt]
It may well be that this palatino doesn't have the sups feature. Let
me put it this way:
\starttext
text1\footnote{1footnote}
\stoptext
This will produce four instances of the numeral '1'. Suppose I want
them all to look exactly alike. In other words, suppose I didn't want
either footnote mark to be rescaled or elevated at all. How could I
do that?
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Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
On 13-4-2010 12:16, Michael Saunders wrote:
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
I may be missing something on my side, but I can't get sups=yes
to work at all.
\definefontfeature[default][default][mode=node,script=latn,sups=yes]
\switchtobodyfont[palatino,11pt]
It may well be that this palatino doesn't have the sups feature. Let
me put it this way:
\starttext
text1\footnote{1footnote}
\stoptext
This will produce four instances of the numeral '1'. Suppose I want
them all to look exactly alike. In other words, suppose I didn't want
either footnote mark to be rescaled or elevated at all. How could I
do that?
you cannot trust open type features like sups and frac as you can never
be sure how complete these are and if the ruled laid down in the font
are okay; some of these features are really meant to be applied
specifically (select piece of text and apply in dtp)
i have plans to cook up an alternative font handler fot such features
(using shapes but not feature info per se)
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Undefined control sequence in ConTeXt ver: 2010.04.10 13:44 MKIV
On 13-4-2010 6:20, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 12.04.10 21:53, schrieb Bernhard Rosensteiner: Hello, i just updated my minimals and now i get an undefined control sequence error with my previous working file attached is the log file. Please help! Make a minimal example! should work ok in beta - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
Michael Saunders wrote:
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
I may be missing something on my side, but I can't get sups=yes
to work at all.
\definefontfeature[default][default][mode=node,script=latn,sups=yes]
\switchtobodyfont[palatino,11pt]
It may well be that this palatino doesn't have the sups feature. Let
me put it this way:
\starttext
text1\footnote{1footnote}
\stoptext
This will produce four instances of the numeral '1'. Suppose I want
them all to look exactly alike. In other words, suppose I didn't want
either footnote mark to be rescaled or elevated at all. How could I
do that?
\setupfootnotes[textcommand=,numbercommand=,style=,bodyfont=]
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Re: [NTG-context] RSFS Font
On 13 avr. 2010, at 04:13, Troy Henderson wrote:
I'm trying to follow
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/rsfs
to get a script L in math mode (to denote Laplace Transform) but to no
avail. I followed the code in the first section, but I get the
following compilation error. Any help is appreciated.
Troy
Hi Troy,
The following works fine for me in mkii, but not in mkiv since, as you observe,
the command
\purefamily
seems to have disappeared from mkiv:
%%%
\starttypescript [math] [modern,computer-modern,latin-modern,ams,palatino]
[size]
\definebodyfont [17.3pt,14.4pt,12pt,11pt,10pt,9pt][mm][mc=rsfs10 sa 1]
\definebodyfont [8pt,7pt] [mm] [mc=rsfs7 sa 1]
\definebodyfont [6pt,5pt,4pt] [mm] [mc=rsfs5 sa 1]
\stoptypescript
\definefamilysynonym [default] [scriptfamily] [mc]
\def\scr{\fam\purefamily{scriptfamily}} % To use ${\scr ABC}$
\def\script#1{{\scr#1}} % To use $\script{ABC}$
\definetypeface [modern] [mm] [math] [modern] [ams] [encoding=texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[reset,modern,14.4pt]
\starttext
\input knuth
${\scr ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}$
$\sum_{\scr ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}$
\startformula
\sum_{j \in \scr M} {\scr L}_{j} = {\scr P}.
\stopformula
\stoptext
%%%
Best regards: OK
---
context foo.tex
MTXrun | run 1: luatex
--fmt=/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/ccfefc91ec3ed68af1aeed1f470fef4d/formats/cont-en
--lua=/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/ccfefc91ec3ed68af1aeed1f470fef4d/formats/cont-en.lui
--backend=pdf ./foo.tex
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.52.0-2010031622
\write18 enabled.
(/home/thenders/classes/2010/spring/ma304/foo.tex
ConTeXt ver: 2010.03.30 18:56 MKIV fmt: 2010.3.31 int: english/english
system : cont-new loaded
(/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex
(/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-new.mkiv))
system : cont-fil loaded
(/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading : ConTeXt File Synonyms
)
system : cont-sys loaded
(/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/user/cont-sys.tex
(/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-def.mkiv)
(/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-lua.tex)
(/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex
(/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-siz.mkiv))
(/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.tex
(/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.mkiv)))
system : foo.top loaded
(foo.top)
fonts : preloading latin modern fonts
(/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/luc/type-luc.tex){/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf/fonts/map/dvips/lm/lm-math.map}{/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf/fonts/map/dvips/lm/lm-rm.map}
bodyfont: 12pt rm is loaded
language: language en is active
{/opt/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/fonts/map/pdftex/context/mkiv-base.map}
systems : begin file foo.tex at line 16
! Undefined control sequence.
\scr -\fam \purefamily
{scriptfamily}
l.18 ${\scr
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}$
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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
this is not the place to elaborate on this (more for the usual font bof session at bachotek) but to some extend it's a packaging issue: why a full smallcaps embedded but not an italic Actually, you can do that with OpenType: there is an 'ital' feature, and using it would allow to embed italic correction information within the fonts. You can't do that with fonts of different design sizes, alas. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
\setupfootnotes[textcommand=,numbercommand=,style=,bodyfont=]
Thanks, Taco. I tried the following:
\setupfootnotes[textcommand=,numbercommand=,style=,bodyfont=]
\starttext
text1\footnote{1footnote}
\stoptext
and it almost works. The third and fourth '1' look the same, but the
first and second '1' (those in the text) are different. The second is
on the baseline, but it has been scaled much smaller than the first.
I want to turn off even this scaling.
My eventual plan is to use my sups for this (they seem to work fine
for me), but for now I'd be content to turn the automatic scaling off.
By the way, of these four keys (textcommand, numbercommand, style,
bodyfont), it's not at all clear to me what each is supposed to
control.
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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:13:49PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-4-2010 12:58, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:41:59PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 12-4-2010 9:43, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 09:23:02PM +0200, Marco wrote: With MkIV \cap and \nocap is no longer necessary when you have a opentype font with the smcp (smallcapitals) and c2sc (capitals to smallcapitals) features. Thanks for your explanation. But why doesn't your example work with the latin modern fonts? Don't they have these features? I'd be surprised when they don't have small caps. They don't have a small caps OpenType feature (smcp) for a reason beyond to me, they however have an old-fashioned separate small caps font. this is because they are cm compatible (the initial objective of the project was a merge of all those variants) in the future we might have extra lm fonts that have those features but the team is still not sure if this should be done ... it makes much sense for consistency to have smallcaps merged in the normal shapes but even then there would be a separate smallcaps font as well A separate small caps font made sense for Type1 fonts (where CM compatibility would matter), but for OpenType fonts I fail to see the reasoning for this. this is not the place to elaborate on this (more for the usual font bof session at bachotek) I don't go to TeX conferences, so mailing lists is the only place I can discuss such stuff, and TeX Gyre fonts don't have a mailing list, AFAIK. but to some extend it's a packaging issue: why a full smallcaps embedded but not an italic; a similar discussion is taking place with regards to the lm math fonts: either or not to embed the three sizes as in practice one might want to combine different design sizes anyway Small caps are not usually treated as separate font faces in OpenType applications, and the common practice is to embed it into the font, which is not the case with Italic (also one can argue that Italic and Roman are not mere styles, but faces of each own, unlike small caps). I would liked to send patches to LM fonts project, but they don't have a source repository and their work flow depends on proprietary software that I cannot afford. concerning the workflow you're wrong ... they use public tools like metatype1 which is free ... and they're currently building a tool chain for the math fonts I was referring to OpenType programming where they use Adobe AFDKO which is a proprietary software that run only on proprietary OS, and with lack of sources I can't even provide patches against the feature files, I can make modified fonts but I don't think they will accept it. Even MetaType1, it is written with only Windows users in mind; I can't use the supplied batch files and I can't understand them (with no documentation at all) to write a replacement. the team is considering to use fontforge in script mode but then the oppososite is happening as fontforge does not run that well on windows (needs mingw or cygwin + some x server) which is not much different from running AFDKO in wine or so Fontforge in script mode does not require X, mingw is enough, and AFAIK latest FF CVS can be compiled under mingw without patching. One can always run FF under some virtual machine etc. But to run Windows I need a Windows license which I cannot afford. and just like metatype1's toolkit is written with windows (actually dos) in mind (the toolkit evolved over many years an at that time there was no easy to use linux around anyway) many other tools in the tex suite of programs have a strong bias towards unix so it's a all matter of history and as the gust foundation team is the official team for tex related font development they have been given complete freedom in choosing their tools They have the very right to pick the tools they won't, but this is alienating many potential contributors, an that what I was complaining about. concerning the repos you're right ... given earlier experiences with lack of quality assurance in public fonts the lm/gyre project follows strickt procedures and only the core team can patch ... of course you can send suggestions and patches but the core team decides Closed development is not the solution for lack of proper QA, proper QA is the solution; you can have open development model with public repos, bug tracker, roadmaps etc. and still maintain a strict QA process, there are many free software projects with very high QA standards but still running an open development model. With open development you encourage potential contributors who may or my not very valuable to you project. sure, but there has been many discussions about this (mostly at bachotex i admit) and other font experts present (in addition to the team) there also have their worries about sensitive things like patching fonts ... of course a patch for a otf generator is not the same as a patch for a
Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
I don't go to TeX conferences, so mailing lists is the only place I can discuss such stuff, and TeX Gyre fonts don't have a mailing list, AFAIK. You can write to the TeX Gyre team... Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
On Tue, Apr 13 2010, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
\starttext
text1\footnote{1footnote}
\stoptext
This will produce four instances of the numeral '1'. Suppose I want
them all to look exactly alike. In other words, suppose I didn't want
either footnote mark to be rescaled or elevated at all. How could I
do that?
\setupfootnotes[textcommand=,numbercommand=,style=,bodyfont=]
And textstyle:
\setupfootnotes[numbercommand=, textcommand=, style=, textstyle=,
bodyfont=]
;)
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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:48:27PM +0200, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: this is not the place to elaborate on this (more for the usual font bof session at bachotek) but to some extend it's a packaging issue: why a full smallcaps embedded but not an italic Actually, you can do that with OpenType: there is an 'ital' feature, and using it would allow to embed italic correction information within the fonts. You can't do that with fonts of different design sizes, alas. It is usually used by CJK fonts since italic is only for LGC part of the font. Combining fonts with different design sizes is not usually good idea since they have different metrics and hinting zones etc. making the merge pointless. You can use TTC to collect several fonts in one file, though. Regards Khaled -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team Free font developer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
Am 12.04.10 21:23, schrieb Marco:
With MkIV \cap and \nocap is no longer necessary when you have a
opentype font
with the smcp (smallcapitals) and c2sc (capitals to smallcapitals)
features.
Thanks for your explanation. But why doesn't your example work with the
latin modern fonts? Don't they have these features? I'd be surprised
when they don't have small caps.
I'm against wikifying MKII stuff. Maybe I'll add a MKII-only note. When
I'm not completely mistaken I think its use should fade away in the near
future. So creating documentation for MKII is a waste of time.
Why are non-working commands like this not removed in MKIV? An undefined
control sequence is easier debuggable than weird behaviour in my opinion.
\cap and \nocap are still usefull in MkIV because not each font has
smallcaps
features and there are cases where you prefer fakecaps over smallcaps.
Hans rewrote also the macros for \cap which use now the same mechanism
as \word and \WORD in MkIV and this exampke produce the same result.
\starttext
\WORD{\tx text text text \WORD{\tx text} text \word{text} text}
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
On Tue, Apr 13 2010, Michael Saunders wrote:
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
\setupfootnotes[textcommand=,numbercommand=,style=,bodyfont=]
Thanks, Taco. I tried the following:
\setupfootnotes[textcommand=,numbercommand=,style=,bodyfont=]
\starttext
text1\footnote{1footnote}
\stoptext
and it almost works. The third and fourth '1' look the same, but the
first and second '1' (those in the text) are different. The second is
on the baseline, but it has been scaled much smaller than the first.
I want to turn off even this scaling.
Hello,
See here:
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100413.111638.965cf779.en.html
and here:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupfootnotes
It's not a detailed documentation of \setupfootnotes but at least you get
an idea of the possible option-keywords.
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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
On 13-4-2010 12:48, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: this is not the place to elaborate on this (more for the usual font bof session at bachotek) but to some extend it's a packaging issue: why a full smallcaps embedded but not an italic Actually, you can do that with OpenType: there is an 'ital' feature, and using it would allow to embed italic correction information within the fonts. You can't do that with fonts of different design sizes, alas. italic correction or italic alternates? - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
On 13-4-2010 1:03, Khaled Hosny wrote: Fontforge in script mode does not require X, mingw is enough, and AFAIK latest FF CVS can be compiled under mingw without patching. One can always run FF under some virtual machine etc. But to run Windows I need a Windows license which I cannot afford. there are some issues when using it as library also, you don't need a windows licence to run a program under wine (but i can be wrong) They have the very right to pick the tools they won't, but this is alienating many potential contributors, an that what I was complaining about. well, it's their project and given their full agenda i can imagine that dealing with many contributers (managing) is not that high on their agenda; the couple of discussions there were when the fonts were developed (should this accent be a few nanometers more this or that way) already took quite some time and energy as said: patches or suggestions with respect to ordening of the glyphs cq features are less problematic (and welcome) than endless discussions about shapes (and coming up with arguments why to reject them) They already shipped glyphs with such poor artistic value, being in the Ghostscript fonts is not an excuse, they could have resorted to the original URW fonts, which were released under GPL, from the start if quality is so high priority to them. So, I don't see how welcoming potential contributers can be any worse, it might actually improve the miserable state of some areas of the fonts. the miserable shaped would have been improved if there had been any interest in it but a fact is that neither greek nor cyrillic users ever gave any feedback (about right shapes to start with) and as such they became a burden. Of course greek has to be brought in (maybe from px/tx) again when math is done. of course, if someone would provide the perfect cyrillic / greek shapes that would be great but even then adding them officially should go through the team and be part of the normal assembling process so, feel free to come up with or improve shapes (i suppose that the team wants them in metatype 1 format) ... the gust foundry people are quite open and show up at tex meetings on a regular basis (also to give detailed progress reports) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
On 13-4-2010 1:54, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: italic correction or italic alternates? Italic alternates. http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/features_fj.htm#ital interesting is that combining them in one font can help kerning although kerning in cjk is not much of an issue of course there's the marketing issue: putting too much in one file gives less to sell Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] grid in footnotes, was: Re: footnote marks fail
Peter M?nster wrote:
\setupfootnotes[numbercommand=, textcommand=, style=, textstyle=,
bodyfont=]
Thanks, Peter. With some experimentation I got what I wanted. For
the record, I'm using:
\definefontfeature[su][body][sups=yes,ordn=yes]%superior
\definefontfeature[nu][body][numr=yes]%numerator
\definefontfeature[po][body][pnum=yes,onum=yes]%proportional old style
\newcommand{\fnmstyle}{\addff{nu}\switchtobodyfont[12pt]}
\newcommand{\fntstyle}{\addff{po}}
\setupnote[footnote][location=columns,numbercommand=\fnmstyle,textcommand=\fntstyle,textstyle=\addff{su},align={normal,hanging},split=verystrict,interaction=yes]
I don't know quite why it works, but it works---except for one little
thing---there is a little vertical space between each footnote
(apparently because of the \switchtobodyfont[12pt]).
So I have one more question: is there a way to force the footnotes
onto their own grid to prevent this? I am already using
\setuplayout[...,grid=verytolerant], which I thought would take care
of it.
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[NTG-context] Custom verb-c inside my working directory
Hi,
in MKII the following code produces the wrong result ('* x;')
\usemodule[verb-c]
\starttext
\startC
int* x;
\stopC
\stoptext
I know that I should use \definetyping[C][option=C] instead of
\usemodule.
The fact is, what I am actually loading is a customized verb-c file that
I've put inside my working directory (and I have also renamed). How to
reconcile the use of \definetyping with a local file?
Nicola
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Re: [NTG-context] RSFS Font
On 13-4-2010 12:41, Otared Kavian wrote:
On 13 avr. 2010, at 04:13, Troy Henderson wrote:
I'm trying to follow
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/rsfs
to get a script L in math mode (to denote Laplace Transform) but to no
avail. I followed the code in the first section, but I get the
following compilation error. Any help is appreciated.
Troy
Hi Troy,
The following works fine for me in mkii, but not in mkiv since, as you observe,
the command
\purefamily
seems to have disappeared from mkiv:
Sure, as we have a complete different model now as in mkiv we take
complete freedom to divert from the regular tex approach of families.
Anyhow, the following shoudl work out ok. You need the beta that i just
uploaded as some extra checks were needed because these are non typical
fonts. This is just a test. In order to have a nice solution we'd have
to define a proper virtual setup (so in fact symbol then becomes a
collection of alternatives; of course we can consider adding them the
base lm set instead)
\unprotect
\chardef\msfam\plustwo % math symbol
\def\c!ms{ms}
\unexpanded\def\ms{\ifmmode\fam\plustwo\else\setcurrentfontalternative\c!ms\fi}
\chardef\symbolmathmode\zerocount
\def\enablesymbolmath {\chardef\symbolmathmode\plusone }
\def\disablesymbolmath{\chardef\symbolmathmode\zerocount}
\appendtoks
\ifcase\symbolmathmode\or\dosetmathfamily\msfam\c!ms\fi
\to \mathstrategies
\enablesymbolmath
\protect
\starttypescript [math] [modern,computer-modern,latin-modern]
\definefontsynonym[mathsymbol][mathsymbol-regu...@symbol-math]
\loadfontgoodies[symbol-math]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [math] [modern,computer-modern,latin-modern] [size]
% extras on top of regular and bold
\definebodyfont
[4pt,5pt,6pt,7pt,8pt,9pt,10pt,
11pt,12pt,14.4pt,17.3pt,20.7pt]
[mm]
[ms=MathSymbol sa 1]
\stoptypescript
\usetypescript[modern] \setupbodyfont[modern,10pt]
\def\scr {\ms}
\def\script#1{{\scr#1}}
\enableboldmath
\enablesymbolmath
\setupbodyfont[10pt]
\starttext
\input knuth
${\scr ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}$
$\sum_{\scr ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}$
$\sum_{\mb ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ}$
\startformula
\sum_{j \in \scr M} {\scr L}_{j} = {\scr P}.
\stopformula
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Internet archive integration into bibliography
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 23:53, Matija Šuklje wrote: In the document's bibliography then it could be rendered something like this: Wikipedia: ConTeXt; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConTeXt; as seen on the day: 12th of April 2010 at 13:45 With http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConTeXt; being a hyperlink to just that and 12th of April 2010 being a hyperlink to http://web.archive.org/web/20100412134500/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConTeXt Note: using any date and time works OK with the archive.org, since if the date doesn't exist in its database, it falls back to the last archived site before the date requested. What do you think? Would this make sense? If so, should we enable it by default? It's a nice idea, though in my opinion not something that should be enabled by default, but maybe being easily accesible with some keyword combination should do. (You probably need to create your own style for citing web pages anyway.) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Internet archive integration into bibliography
Dne torek 13. aprila 2010 ob 18:36:13 je Mojca Miklavec napisal(a): It's a nice idea, though in my opinion not something that should be enabled by default, but maybe being easily accesible with some keyword combination should do. (You probably need to create your own style for citing web pages anyway.) I'll try to bodge something together, include it in my PF_UL style and post it also as a separate Wiki entry. I thought it'd be a nice feature for \url ...but maybe you're right. Cheers, Matija -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 www: http://matija.suklje.name xmpp: matija.suk...@gabbler.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 02:00:39PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: On 13-4-2010 1:03, Khaled Hosny wrote: They already shipped glyphs with such poor artistic value, being in the Ghostscript fonts is not an excuse, they could have resorted to the original URW fonts, which were released under GPL, from the start if quality is so high priority to them. So, I don't see how welcoming potential contributers can be any worse, it might actually improve the miserable state of some areas of the fonts. the miserable shaped would have been improved if there had been any interest in it but a fact is that neither greek nor cyrillic users ever gave any feedback (about right shapes to start with) and as such they became a burden. Of course greek has to be brought in (maybe from px/tx) again when math is done. And how do you expect to get any feedback if you are alienating your users from the start? I've looked again in the TeX Gyre project page and I can't find anything even remotely related to feedback or contact us address, not to talk about a mailing list or bug tracker. By adopting a closed development model, you are telling every outsider: your opinion is worth nothing, we are not interested in it, so don't wonder you didn't receive any. BTW, I just checked ghostscript fonts shipped with my distro and they don't have any of the crappy Greek glyphs TeX Gyre have (neither do the files linked from TeX Gyre web page), so I don't know from where TeX Gyre got those. Regards, Khaled -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team Free font developer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 01:06:47PM +0200, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: I don't go to TeX conferences, so mailing lists is the only place I can discuss such stuff, and TeX Gyre fonts don't have a mailing list, AFAIK. You can write to the TeX Gyre team... And their contact info is listed in... ? Regards, Khaled -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team Free font developer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
On Apr 13, 2010, at 7:16 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote: BTW, I just checked ghostscript fonts shipped with my distro and they don't have any of the crappy Greek glyphs TeX Gyre have (neither do the files linked from TeX Gyre web page), so I don't know from where TeX Gyre got those. I contacted the Gyre team a while ago about the Greek, and they said they were not really meant to be used, but just placeholders until the real Greek will be developed. I offered help, but I don't know how to use metatype, I could just help them set up the Greek Extended glyphs once the proper characters are in place. And btw: please tone down your messages a bit. You sound like you are foaming from the mouth, and that's quite unnecessary. As Hans said: all of this is open source, if you hate their style of doing things that much, just develop your own fonts. If people are developing free software, they also have the freedom to do the development exactly as they see fit. Where does this sense of entitlement come from? Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
Khaled Hosny wrote:
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 01:06:47PM +0200, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
I don't go to TeX conferences, so mailing lists is the only place I can
discuss such stuff, and TeX Gyre fonts don't have a mailing list, AFAIK.
You can write to the TeX Gyre team...
And their contact info is listed in... ?
From README:
Email contact: Bogus\l{}aw Jackowski aka Jacko, b_jackow...@gust.org.pl
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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
And their contact info is listed in... ? The TeX Gyre page starts with a list of names. And the first paper in the Readings section lists e-mail addresses. Have you tried contacting them? Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
Le 13 avril 2010 à 01:24, Peter Münster a écrit: Hello, See here: http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100413.111638.965cf779.en.html and here: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupfootnotes It's not a detailed documentation of \setupfootnotes but at least you get an idea of the possible option-keywords. Cheers, Peter Sorry, a bit off topic, but: is \setupfootnotes[] a synonym for \setupnote[footnote][] ? Thanks! -- Sébastien Mengin Édition et logiciels libres Mise en page avec LaTeX http://edilibre.net ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 07:33:22PM +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On Apr 13, 2010, at 7:16 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote: BTW, I just checked ghostscript fonts shipped with my distro and they don't have any of the crappy Greek glyphs TeX Gyre have (neither do the files linked from TeX Gyre web page), so I don't know from where TeX Gyre got those. I contacted the Gyre team a while ago about the Greek, and they said they were not really meant to be used, but just placeholders until the real Greek will be developed. I offered help, but I don't know how to use metatype, I could just help them set up the Greek Extended glyphs once the proper characters are in place. And btw: please tone down your messages a bit. You sound like you are foaming from the mouth, and that's quite unnecessary. As Hans said: all of this is open source, if you hate their style of doing things that much, just develop your own fonts. If people are developing free software, they also have the freedom to do the development exactly as they see fit. Where does this sense of entitlement come from? Just because it is free software doesn't mean one can't criticize them, actually because it is free software I do care about it. I didn't know my tone was that high (well it is usually that high but I don't even notice). Sure I can go and fork it, but it is pity that one have to resort to this to just contribute a bug fix. Regards, Khaled -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team Free font developer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 07:37:04PM +0200, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Khaled Hosny wrote:
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 01:06:47PM +0200, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
I don't go to TeX conferences, so mailing lists is the only place I can
discuss such stuff, and TeX Gyre fonts don't have a mailing list, AFAIK.
You can write to the TeX Gyre team...
And their contact info is listed in... ?
From README:
Email contact: Bogus\l{}aw Jackowski aka Jacko, b_jackow...@gust.org.pl
I overlooked this, for some reason the website looked like a natural
place to look for such info.
Regards,
Khaled
--
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Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team
Free font developer
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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 07:51:48PM +0200, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: And their contact info is listed in... ? The TeX Gyre page starts with a list of names. And the first paper in the Readings section lists e-mail addresses. Have you tried contacting them? Apparently not, again for some reason I'd always the feeling that they are not interested in feedback (I also usually try to provide fixes with my bug reports, but I can't really do here). Regards, Khaled -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team Free font developer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
Am 13.04.10 19:52, schrieb Sebastien Mengin: Sorry, a bit off topic, but: is \setupfootnotes[] a synonym for \setupnote[footnote][] ? Yes, it is. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
Sebastien Mengin: Sorry, a bit off topic, but: is \setupfootnotes[] a synonym for \setupnote[footnote][] ? Besides \setupfootnotes[] and \setupnote[footnote][] there are: \setupenumerations[footnote][] and \setupfootnotedefinition[] and maybe more. I have no idea how they are related or even how to find out the difference. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
Sebastien Mengin wrote:
Le 13 avril 2010 à 01:24, Peter Münster a écrit:
Hello,
See here:
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100413.111638.965cf779.en.html
and here:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupfootnotes
It's not a detailed documentation of \setupfootnotes but at least you get
an idea of the possible option-keywords.
Cheers, Peter
Sorry, a bit off topic, but: is \setupfootnotes[] a synonym for
\setupnote[footnote][] ?
Yes, the actual definition is:
\def\setupfootnotes {\setupnote [\v!footnote]}
which reminds me: at some point we should add wiki redirects or
stub pages for
Reference/en/startitemize = Reference/en/startenumeration
etc.
Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] \nocap does not work
Apparently not, again for some reason I'd always the feeling that they are not interested in feedback I wonder how you got that feeling if you never made contact with them... (I also usually try to provide fixes with my bug reports, but I can't really do here). Because you can't use the AFDKO? You can still make suggestions if you have some. For that matter, I've never used the AFDKO either, and that didn't prevent me to from discussing issues with Jacko. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
Le 13 avril 2010 à 08:13, Taco Hoekwater a écrit:
Sorry, a bit off topic, but: is \setupfootnotes[] a synonym for
\setupnote[footnote][] ?
Yes, the actual definition is:
\def\setupfootnotes {\setupnote [\v!footnote]}
Thanks a lot.
which reminds me: at some point we should add wiki redirects or
stub pages for
Reference/en/startitemize = Reference/en/startenumeration
So I guess there is a list of all those synonyms available?
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Re: [NTG-context] footnote marks fail
Sebastien Mengin wrote: which reminds me: at some point we should add wiki redirects or stub pages for Reference/en/startitemize = Reference/en/startenumeration So I guess there is a list of all those synonyms available? Not readily, they follow from \define.. commands in the source (which is why such redirects would be helpful) Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] What happened with bold math?
Hello,
What happened with bold math?
\mathbf does not have any effect.
\setupbodyfont[mscore,rm,12pt]
\starttext
$${\mathbf x}'(t) = f({\mathbf x}(t), {\mathbf u}(t), t)$$
\stoptext
Regards,
Vyatcheslav
\setupbodyfont[mscore,rm,12pt]
\starttext
$${\mathbf x}'(t) = f({\mathbf x}(t), {\mathbf u}(t), t)$$
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Re: [NTG-context] Latest beta...
Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.lists at gmail.com writes:
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 21:24, Willi Egger wrote:
I just updated the latest beta in a completely new tree:
I get now the following message:
.../lua60/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/context: line 2: 1634 Bus error
mtxrun --script context $@
[snip]
This might as well be a mac-intel-only luatex-related problem
(something for Taco in any case), but I cannot reproduce it yet.
Mojca
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I hit a similar problem on a ppc mac. So it's probably not an intel-
only thing.
The .firstsetup script crashes. It worked fine through at least March
23, for what it's worth.
Here's a transcript
I have a crash log too, if that would help.
sudo ./first-setup.sh
receiving file list ... done
bin/
bin/mtx-update.lua
bin/mtxrun
bin/texlua
wrote 18489 bytes read 4918220 bytes 229614.37 bytes/sec
total size is 6550101 speedup is 1.33
MTXrun | fileio: variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to '/Users/michaelgreen/
Applications/context/bin'
MTXrun | fileio: variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/Users/michaelgreen/
Applications/context'
MTXrun | fileio: variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '/Users/
michaelgreen/Applications'
MTXrun | fileio: variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to '{$SELFAUTODIR,
$SELFAUTOPARENT}{,{/share,}/texmf{-
local,.local,}/web2c}'
MTXrun | fileio: no cnf files found (TEXMFCNF may not be set/known)
MTXrun | using script: ./bin/mtx-update.lua
MTXrun | state: loaded
MTXrun | update: start
./first-setup.sh: line 69: 5194 Bus error mtxrun --
verbose --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --
update --make --force --engine=all --context=beta --texroot=$PWD/tex $@
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Re: [NTG-context] Latest beta...
Michael Green wrote: I hit a similar problem on a ppc mac. So it's probably not an intel-only thing. The .firstsetup script crashes. It worked fine through at least March 23, for what it's worth. Here's a transcript I have a crash log too, if that would help. Does that contain a stack backtrace? Looking at a backtrace is about the only thing I can do about this :( ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
