[NTG-context] building the luatex font database

2010-08-11 Thread Lutz Haseloff
Hi Hans, Hi all,

my fresh ConTeXt minimal installation (winxp) doesn`t recognize
the fonts in the context tree. I can only use the windows systemfonts.

mtxrun --script fonts --reload  says:

...
MTXrun | fontnames: warnings are disabled (tracker 'fonts.warnings')
MTXrun | fontnames: identifying tree font files with suffix otf
MTXrun | fontnames: scanning tree:///c:/contextminimal/texmf for otf files
MTXrun | fontnames: 3313 entries found, 297 otf files checked, 297 okay
MTXrun | fontnames: scanning tree:///c:/contextminimal/texmf-local for otf files
MTXrun | fontnames: 1372 entries found, 546 otf files checked, 546 okay
MTXrun | fontnames: scanning tree:///c:/contextminimal/texmf-context
for otf files
MTXrun | fontnames: 1770 entries found, 1 otf files checked, 1 okay
MTXrun | fontnames: scanning tree:///c:/contextminimal/texmf-mswin for otf files
MTXrun | fontnames: 108 entries found, 0 otf files checked, 0 okay
MTXrun | fontnames: identifying tree font files with suffix OTF
MTXrun | fontnames: scanning tree:///c:/contextminimal/texmf for OTF files
MTXrun | fontnames: 3313 entries found, 0 OTF files checked, 0 okay
MTXrun | fontnames: scanning tree:///c:/contextminimal/texmf-local for OTF files
MTXrun | fontnames: 1372 entries found, 0 OTF files checked, 0 okay
MTXrun | fontnames: scanning tree:///c:/contextminimal/texmf-context
for OTF files
MTXrun | fontnames: 1770 entries found, 0 OTF files checked, 0 okay
MTXrun | fontnames: scanning tree:///c:/contextminimal/texmf-mswin for OTF files
MTXrun | fontnames: 108 entries found, 0 OTF files checked, 0 okay
MTXrun | fontnames: 844 tree files identified, 844 skipped, 0
duplicates, 0 hash entries added, runtime 0.172 seconds
...


What do I wrong?


Greetings Lutz
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Re: [NTG-context] beta

2010-08-11 Thread Hans Hagen

On 10-8-2010 7:09, Martin Schröder wrote:

2010/8/10 Hans Hagenpra...@wxs.nl:

\setupbackend
  [format=valid pdf/x name,
   profile=name.icc,
   intent=name.icc,
   level=compresslevel, % default 3


Does it correctly handle x-4? That's a lot harder then x-3.


in what respect?

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Re: [NTG-context] Bugs in current beta

2010-08-11 Thread Hans Hagen

On 10-8-2010 11:44, Andreas Harder wrote:


\starttext
\input tufte

\writetolist[test]{.1}{test}

\input tufte
\stoptext

There shouldn't be a whitespace between the paragraphs, should there?


this is a side effect of the fact that the write becomes a node which is 
needed because we need to know where (on what page) the entry is written


we can make an \directwritetolist is needed but that is hardly useful as 
it does not carry the right info then


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Re: [NTG-context] Bugs in current beta

2010-08-11 Thread Hans Hagen

On 10-8-2010 5:36, Andreas Harder wrote:

Hi all,

for me (OS X 10.6.4)
mtxrun –script server –auto
do not work. If I click on a font name I get:
MTXrun | request from: 127.0.0.1
MTXrun | requested action: 
/mtx-server-ctx-fonttest.lua?selection=hoeflertextregular
MTXrun | performing action: 
/mtx-server-ctx-fonttest.lua?selection=hoeflertextregular
MTXrun | requested file 
'/mtx-server-ctx-fonttest.lua?selection=hoeflertextregular'
MTXrun | handling error 404: Not Found

Another thing is the streams-module. Here is an example:

\usemodule[streams]
\definestreamlayer[test][method=overlay]
\setupbackgrounds[page][background=test]

\starttext  \showframe
\startstreamlayer[test]
   \startcolumns
 \input knuth
   \stopcolumns
\stopstreamlayer

\setlayer[test][x=5cm,y=10cm]{\placestreamlayer[test]}
\stoptext

And here the error:
! Undefined control sequence.
l.19 \defineoutputstream[\v!left]


This is not really a bug. Streams in mkii are an experiment and will not 
be developed further (is a module after all). In mkiv there will be a 
different mechanism. There is some experimental code ... copied from the 
source:


\enabletrackers[streams.flushing]

\setuplayout[grid=yes] \showgrid

\starttext

\input tufte

\startoutputstream[nl]

Wat doen we hier?

\enableoutputstream[en]

Are you sleeping, brother John?\footnote{xxx}

\dorecurse{4}{x \footnote{note \recurselevel}\input tufte \par 
\pushoutputstream}


\enableoutputstream[de]

Bruder Jakob, schläfst du noch?\footnote{yyy}

\dorecurse{4}{x \footnote{note \recurselevel}\input ward \par 
\pushoutputstream}


\disableoutputstream

\stopoutputstream

Vader Jacob, slaap je nog?\footnote{zzz}

\input tufte

\synchronizestreams[en,de,nl]

\page \flushoutputstream[en] \input knuth
\page \flushoutputstream[de] \input knuth
\page \flushoutputstream[nl] \input knuth

\stoptext

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Bugs in current beta

2010-08-11 Thread Andreas Harder

Am 11.08.2010 um 11:22 schrieb Hans Hagen:

 On 10-8-2010 5:36, Andreas Harder wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 for me (OS X 10.6.4)
 mtxrun –script server –auto
 do not work. If I click on a font name I get:
 MTXrun | request from: 127.0.0.1
 MTXrun | requested action: 
 /mtx-server-ctx-fonttest.lua?selection=hoeflertextregular
 MTXrun | performing action: 
 /mtx-server-ctx-fonttest.lua?selection=hoeflertextregular
 MTXrun | requested file 
 '/mtx-server-ctx-fonttest.lua?selection=hoeflertextregular'
 MTXrun | handling error 404: Not Found
 
 Another thing is the streams-module. Here is an example:
 
 \usemodule[streams]
 \definestreamlayer[test][method=overlay]
 \setupbackgrounds[page][background=test]
 
 \starttext  \showframe
 \startstreamlayer[test]
   \startcolumns
 \input knuth
   \stopcolumns
 \stopstreamlayer
 
 \setlayer[test][x=5cm,y=10cm]{\placestreamlayer[test]}
 \stoptext
 
 And here the error:
 ! Undefined control sequence.
 l.19 \defineoutputstream[\v!left]
 
 This is not really a bug. Streams in mkii are an experiment and will not be 
 developed further (is a module after all). In mkiv there will be a different 
 mechanism. There is some experimental code ... copied from the source:
 
 \enabletrackers[streams.flushing]
 
 \setuplayout[grid=yes] \showgrid
 
 \starttext
 
 \input tufte
 
 \startoutputstream[nl]
 
 Wat doen we hier?
 
 \enableoutputstream[en]
 
 Are you sleeping, brother John?\footnote{xxx}
 
 \dorecurse{4}{x \footnote{note \recurselevel}\input tufte \par 
 \pushoutputstream}
 
 \enableoutputstream[de]
 
 Bruder Jakob, schläfst du noch?\footnote{yyy}
 
 \dorecurse{4}{x \footnote{note \recurselevel}\input ward \par 
 \pushoutputstream}
 
 \disableoutputstream
 
 \stopoutputstream
 
 Vader Jacob, slaap je nog?\footnote{zzz}
 
 \input tufte
 
 \synchronizestreams[en,de,nl]
 
 \page \flushoutputstream[en] \input knuth
 \page \flushoutputstream[de] \input knuth
 \page \flushoutputstream[nl] \input knuth
 
 \stoptext
 
 Hans

Hello Hans,

big thanks for the explanation.

Andreas
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[NTG-context] an issue with line numbers in the verbatim text

2010-08-11 Thread 李延瑞
Hi all,

this is an example.

\setuptyping[numbering=line]
\setuplinenumbering[location=intext]
\showframe
\starttext
\starttyping
This is the first line.
Last line after an empty line.
\stoptyping
\stoptext

the linenumbering setup of location=intext can not work. the line
numbers still be inmargin.

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Re: [NTG-context] how to jump to figure and return to the original postion?

2010-08-11 Thread dalyoung
Dear Hans,

After reinstalling the minimal, it works well.
It is really great!

Thank you.

Best regards,

Dalyoung
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Re: [NTG-context] an issue with line numbers in the verbatim text

2010-08-11 Thread Hongwen Qiu

 On 08/11/2010 08:23 PM, Li Yanrui (李延瑞) wrote:

Hi all,

this is an example.

\setuptyping[numbering=line]
\setuplinenumbering[location=intext]
\showframe
\starttext
\starttyping
This is the first line.
Last line after an empty line.
\stoptyping
\stoptext

the linenumbering setup of location=intext can not work. the line
numbers still be inmargin.

Not location=intext, but location=text will do.
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[NTG-context] interesting LaTeX package for flowing text

2010-08-11 Thread Piotr Kopszak
Hello List,

Just came across this today. Haven't even tried it. Just wondering
whether it could be ported to ConTeXt at all.

http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/flowfram.html

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Re: [NTG-context] an issue with line numbers in the verbatim text

2010-08-11 Thread 李延瑞
2010/8/11 Hongwen Qiu qiuhong...@gmail.com:
  On 08/11/2010 08:23 PM, Li Yanrui (李延瑞) wrote:

 Hi all,

 this is an example.

 \setuptyping[numbering=line]
 \setuplinenumbering[location=intext]
 \showframe
 \starttext
 \starttyping
 This is the first line.
 Last line after an empty line.
 \stoptyping
 \stoptext

 the linenumbering setup of location=intext can not work. the line
 numbers still be inmargin.

 Not location=intext, but location=text will do.

I see, tks!

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Re: [NTG-context] interesting LaTeX package for flowing text

2010-08-11 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Piotr Kopszak kops...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello List,

 Just came across this today. Haven't even tried it. Just wondering
 whether it could be ported to ConTeXt at all.
maybe columns is similar or better

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[NTG-context] Whitespace before \placenotes

2010-08-11 Thread Andreas Harder
Hi all,

please have a look at the following example.

\setupnote[footnote][location=none]

\starttext
\dorecurse{5}{text\footnote{test}}

\framed[align=normal]{\placenotes[footnote]}
\stoptext

How can I prevent the vertical space before the first note?

Greeting
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Re: [NTG-context] Whitespace before \placenotes

2010-08-11 Thread Hans Hagen

On 11-8-2010 7:24, Andreas Harder wrote:

\setupnote[footnote][location=none]

\starttext
\dorecurse{5}{text\footnote{test}}

\framed[align=normal]{\placenotes[footnote]}
\stoptext


\framed[align=normal,strut=no]{\placenotes[footnote][before=,after=]}


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Re: [NTG-context] Whitespace before \placenotes

2010-08-11 Thread Andreas Harder

Am 11.08.2010 um 19:36 schrieb Hans Hagen:

 On 11-8-2010 7:24, Andreas Harder wrote:
 \setupnote[footnote][location=none]
 
 \starttext
 \dorecurse{5}{text\footnote{test}}
 
 \framed[align=normal]{\placenotes[footnote]}
 \stoptext
 
 \framed[align=normal,strut=no]{\placenotes[footnote][before=,after=]}

Thank you Hans!

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Re: [NTG-context] an issues with resume module

2010-08-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

 Am 11.08.10 02:12, schrieb views63:

BTW: In the old version beta some symbol is invalid such as
\setresumevalue{mobile}


I’m sorry but I don’t know what you mean.

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] setup for (start)paragraph?

2010-08-11 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hi,

there seems to be a confusion in contextgarden (at least *I* am confused):

Isn't there also a setup for \startparagraph ... \stopparagraph???

\defineparagraphs is something different, no?


See
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/startparagraph

Reference/en/startparagraph
\startparagraph

[edit]Syntax

\startparagraph ... \stopparagraph
[edit]Description

[edit]Example

% Source: ConText Manual ms-cb-en.pdf

% Define a paragraph environment with 3 columns. 
% Insert a blank line just before and just after the paragraph. 
\defineparagraphs[mypar][n=3,before={\blank},after={\blank}]
 


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Re: [NTG-context] setup for (start)paragraph?

2010-08-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

 Am 11.08.10 21:20, schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:

Hi,

there seems to be a confusion in contextgarden (at least *I* am confused):

Isn't there also a setup for \startparagraph ... \stopparagraph???


This should be \startPARAGRAPH ... \stopPARAGRAPH where PARAGRAPH stands
for the name of the environment you create with \defineparagraphs.

In MkIV there is also a real paragraph environment (\startparagraph ... 
\stopparagraph)

which is usefull for tagged pdf.

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Re: [NTG-context] setup for (start)paragraph?

2010-08-11 Thread Steffen Wolfrum

Am 11.08.2010 um 21:28 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

 Am 11.08.10 21:20, schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:
 Hi,
 
 there seems to be a confusion in contextgarden (at least *I* am confused):
 
 Isn't there also a setup for \startparagraph ... \stopparagraph???
 
 This should be \startPARAGRAPH ... \stopPARAGRAPH where PARAGRAPH stands
 for the name of the environment you create with \defineparagraphs.
 
 In MkIV there is also a real paragraph environment (\startparagraph ... 
 \stopparagraph)
 which is usefull for tagged pdf.


Exactly. And is there also a dedicated setup for  \startparagraph ... 
\stopparagraph?

Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] setup for (start)paragraph?

2010-08-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

 Am 11.08.10 21:32, schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:

there seems to be a confusion in contextgarden (at least *I* am confused):

Isn't there also a setup for \startparagraph ... \stopparagraph???

This should be \startPARAGRAPH ... \stopPARAGRAPH where PARAGRAPH stands
for the name of the environment you create with \defineparagraphs.

In MkIV there is also a real paragraph environment (\startparagraph ... 
\stopparagraph)
which is usefull for tagged pdf.

Exactly. And is there also a dedicated setup for  \startparagraph ... 
\stopparagraph?


No because the environment adds only tags before and after the 
environment, nothing else.


Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] setup for (start)paragraph?

2010-08-11 Thread Hans Hagen

On 11-8-2010 9:38, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


Am 11.08.10 21:32, schrieb Steffen Wolfrum:

there seems to be a confusion in contextgarden (at least *I* am
confused):

Isn't there also a setup for \startparagraph ... \stopparagraph???

This should be \startPARAGRAPH ... \stopPARAGRAPH where PARAGRAPH stands
for the name of the environment you create with \defineparagraphs.

In MkIV there is also a real paragraph environment (\startparagraph
... \stopparagraph)
which is usefull for tagged pdf.

Exactly. And is there also a dedicated setup for \startparagraph ...
\stopparagraph?


No because the environment adds only tags before and after the
environment, nothing else.


indeed. but there will be something someday; maybe we should reserve the 
setup command


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Re: [NTG-context] setup for (start)paragraph?

2010-08-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

 Am 11.08.10 21:44, schrieb Hans Hagen:

Exactly. And is there also a dedicated setup for \startparagraph ...
\stopparagraph?


No because the environment adds only tags before and after the
environment, nothing else.



indeed. but there will be something someday; maybe we should reserve 
the setup command


Good idea but now there are two environment for normal paragraphs:

- \startparagraph/stopparagraph
- \bpar/\epar

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[NTG-context] caught in the grid

2010-08-11 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hi,


as there is no setup for paragraphs (see thread before), I really don' know how 
to come out of this trap:

I need a tight interlinespace for the normal body text, but no lunatic 
headings!!


Have a look, please:

\definegridsnapping[MyGrid] [off]% broad/both/bold/local fit for the text

\starttext

\setuplayout[grid=MyGrid]

\switchtobodyfont[42pt]
 \setupinterlinespace[line=30pt]
 \lineskiplimit-\maxdimen
 Big text\crlf written in\crlf three row

\section{One\\Two\\Three}

 Big text\crlf written in\crlf three row

\stoptext


Literally the whole day I tried various grid key combinations ... for 
setuplayout and setuphead ... in vain.

I am going crazy!

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Re: [NTG-context] setup for (start)paragraph?

2010-08-11 Thread Hans Hagen

On 11-8-2010 9:49, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


Am 11.08.10 21:44, schrieb Hans Hagen:

Exactly. And is there also a dedicated setup for \startparagraph ...
\stopparagraph?


No because the environment adds only tags before and after the
environment, nothing else.



indeed. but there will be something someday; maybe we should reserve
the setup command


Good idea but now there are two environment for normal paragraphs:

- \startparagraph/stopparagraph
- \bpar/\epar


Indeed, as i didn't want to use that one (yet) for tagging.

At some point luatex will open op the par related info so about that 
time i'll pick up this thread. For instance mkiv will carry info with a 
paragraph (which then can replace some of the pos related code)


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Re: [NTG-context] interesting LaTeX package for flowing text

2010-08-11 Thread Piotr Kopszak
Columns are excellent, no doubt, but as far as I understand them, they
don't allow to flow text to boxes in arbitrary locations.

Piotr

2010/8/11 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com:
 On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Piotr Kopszak kops...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello List,

 Just came across this today. Haven't even tried it. Just wondering
 whether it could be ported to ConTeXt at all.
 maybe columns is similar or better

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Re: [NTG-context] interesting LaTeX package for flowing text

2010-08-11 Thread Hans Hagen

On 11-8-2010 11:54, Piotr Kopszak wrote:

Columns are excellent, no doubt, but as far as I understand them, they
don't allow to flow text to boxes in arbitrary locations.


column sets come pretty close (see mcolumns.pdf)

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Re: [NTG-context] caught in the grid

2010-08-11 Thread Hans Hagen

On 11-8-2010 9:49, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

Hi,


as there is no setup for paragraphs (see thread before), I really don' know how 
to come out of this trap:

I need a tight interlinespace for the normal body text, but no lunatic 
headings!!


Have a look, please:


I have no time now. I will document the grid snapper once I've finished 
the (still somewhat experimental) mechanism.


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[NTG-context] Numbering in Table of Content

2010-08-11 Thread Riobard
Hi,

Is it possible to create a Table of Content like the one shown in the attached 
image? Basically I need a few unnumbered entries at the top of the table (like 
abstract, acknowledgements, etc) with romannumeral-numbered page number, 
followed by numbered chapters with digits-numbered page number as normal. 
Thanks! 



Rio

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Re: [NTG-context] Numbering in Table of Content

2010-08-11 Thread Martin Althoff
 Basically I need a few
 unnumbered entries at the top of the table (like abstract,
 acknowledgements, etc) 

Rio,

I handle this through using the unnumbered sectioning (\title, \subject..) and 
then a 

\definecombinedlist [content][title,chapter]

Essentially you add title to the already predefined list or combindedlist 
content. Read contextref for details. This then generates a TOC with 
\completecontent which includes the unnumbered sections/headers.

Regarding the numbering, you might gleen that from the sample document here:

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Biochemistry_textbook


It all kind of goes like this:

\starttext

\startfrontmatter
\setuppagenumbering[conversion=romannumerals]
\completecontent
\stopfrontmatter

\startbodymatter
\setuppagenumbering[conversion=]
\setuppagenumber[number=1]
\title {Introduction}
\dorecurse{5}{\input tufte\par}
\chapter{Some Stuff}
\dorecurse{5}{\input tufte\par}
\stopbodymatter
\stoptext


best, Martin



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[NTG-context] Interaction and TOC/content problmes

2010-08-11 Thread Martin Althoff
I am having a couple of small problems with the interaction. In principle it's 
working, but...

1. The TOC is added to the bookmarks, which is fine, but with a lower-case c, 
ie. content

2. From http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF_Bookmarks_and_Headers I figured out 
how to get rid of the \crlf in the header. Actually, I'd be happy to just pass 
the word Introduction to the bookmarks and leave out the rest. Any way of 
doing that?

3. Strangely enough, placing \bookmark{Intro} after the \title {Introduction -- 
\crlf Welcome} replaces the content entry and points to the content, but 
putting a \bookmark after \completecontent leads to no output at all.

Thanks for any pointers !
Martin

\setupinteraction[
state=start,
color=,
contrastcolor=]

\setupcombinedlist[content][interaction=all]
\placebookmarks[chapter,title][force=yes]

\setuphead[chapter][interaction=list]

\setuplabeltext[chapter=Chapter~]

\definecombinedlist [content][title,chapter]

%strip the \crlf
\appendtoks \let\crlf\space \to \simplifiedcommands


\starttext

\startfrontmatter
\startstandardmakeup
\input tufte
\stopstandardmakeup
\completecontent
\stopfrontmatter


\startbodymatter

\title {Introduction -- \crlf Welcome}
%\bookmark{Intro}

\dorecurse{5}{\input tufte\par}

\chapter{Some Stuff}
\dorecurse{5}{\input tufte\par}

\chapter{An Addition}
\dorecurse{5}{\input tufte\par}

\stopbodymatter

\stoptext




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[NTG-context] Roman page numbers

2010-08-11 Thread Hongwen Qiu
 Hi,
The following minimal example has no effect on page numbering(MkIV):

\setuppagenumbering[conversion=romannumerals] %
\setuppagenumbering[numberconversion=romannumerals] has no effect too.
\starttext
\chapter{Alpha}
\input tufte
\stoptext

$ context --version
MTXrun | current version: 2010.08.10 17:14
$ luatex --version
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.61.0-2010072816
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Re: [NTG-context] Roman page numbers

2010-08-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

 Am 12.08.10 03:52, schrieb Hongwen Qiu:

  Hi,
The following minimal example has no effect on page numbering(MkIV):

\setuppagenumbering[conversion=romannumerals] %
\setuppagenumbering[numberconversion=romannumerals] has no effect too.


\setupuserpagenumbering[numberconversion=romannumerals]

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] Roman page numbers

2010-08-11 Thread Hongwen Qiu

 于 2010年08月12日 11:08, Wolfgang Schuster 写道:

Am 12.08.10 03:52, schrieb Hongwen Qiu:

Hi,
The following minimal example has no effect on page numbering(MkIV):

\setuppagenumbering[conversion=romannumerals] %
\setuppagenumbering[numberconversion=romannumerals] has no effect too.


\setupuserpagenumbering[numberconversion=romannumerals]

Thanks for the reply, but I get the following error:
! Undefined control sequence.
l.10 \setupuserpagenumbering
[numberconversion=romannumerals]
?

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[NTG-context] lettrine and setupalign cause Overfull \hbox errors

2010-08-11 Thread Martin Althoff
There appears to be some kind of clash between the lettrine module and setting 
up \setupalign[right] when used together: on a 200 page text every line has 
Overfull \hbox errors. 

As a (stupid?) side question: why is text, that aligns on the left edge of an 
odd-numbered page called right aligned?

Thanks, Martin

Demo:

\usemodule[lettrine]

\setupalign[right]

\starttext
\dorecurse{5}{\lettrine {T}{here} {\input tufte\par}}
\stoptext



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Re: [NTG-context] lettrine and setupalign cause Overfull \hbox errors

2010-08-11 Thread Taco Hoekwater

On 08/12/2010 06:03 AM, Martin Althoff wrote:

There appears to be some kind of clash between the lettrine module
and setting up \setupalign[right] when used together: on a 200 page
text every line has Overfull \hbox errors.


Both are attempting to do something special with the paragraph
shape, and the interaction is causing trouble.


As a (stupid?) side question: why is text, that aligns on the left
edge of an odd-numbered page called right aligned?


This is a FAQ, see this page for why:

  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Right_and_left

Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] lettrine and setupalign cause Overfull \hbox errors

2010-08-11 Thread Martin Althoff
 Both are attempting to do something special with the
 paragraph
 shape, and the interaction is causing trouble.

Taco, thanks. Does that mean I have either live with it or forget about left 
alignment?

Martin




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