Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Meeting #7

2013-05-11 Thread Mojca Miklavec 
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Leo Arnold  wrote:
> Hey Mojca,
>
> I guess DANTE discount will do.

Yes, but ConTeXt Group is definitely cooler, if nothing else, because
it's smaller and every member counts. The membership nr. 1 has been
sold for 120 EUR!

> But if it was possible, i'd join them all
> and come for free :-P

Good idea. I believe that we could make a corporate membership that
would include a free conference attendance.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Meeting #7

2013-05-11 Thread Leo Arnold 

Hey Mojca,

I guess DANTE discount will do. But if it was possible, i'd join them 
all and come for free :-P


Best

Leo

On 05/11/2013 11:56 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Leo Arnold wrote:

Hi there,

will the registration open before the end of early bird discount?


The dates were most probably copied from the website of meeting in
2010. Jano promised to fix the page in the following days, so no
worries - the early bird discount won't run out before the
registration starts, but you can already become a ConTeXt Group member
to get a discount for the conference ;)

http://group.contextgarden.net/register.shtml

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt Meeting #7

2013-05-11 Thread Mojca Miklavec 
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Leo Arnold wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> will the registration open before the end of early bird discount?

The dates were most probably copied from the website of meeting in
2010. Jano promised to fix the page in the following days, so no
worries - the early bird discount won't run out before the
registration starts, but you can already become a ConTeXt Group member
to get a discount for the conference ;)

http://group.contextgarden.net/register.shtml

Mojca
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[NTG-context] ConTeXt Meeting #7

2013-05-11 Thread Leo Arnold 

Hi there,

will the registration open before the end of early bird discount?

Cheers

Leo
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Re: [NTG-context] Arabic typesetting, one more

2013-05-11 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 

Salaam, Huseyin,

I missed this and other threads, it's been busy here...

On Tue, 07 May 2013 23:35:25 -0600, H. Özoguz  wrote:

But with traditionalarabic it is worse than with arabtype. What could be  
a way to fix this?


Traditional Arabic is a uniscribe-compliant font, but not a fully opentype  
font. Uniscribe also supports older, pre-unicode protocols. In other  
words, TraditionalArabic is platform-dependent. So unless M$ has updated  
it in a recent OS, it will not work in ConTeXt MkIV. Since XeTeX uses the  
local libraries, then mkii/xetex on windows might work.


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Re: [NTG-context] python parse/formatter example on the wiki

2013-05-11 Thread seasoul 
Yes, it is solved.



On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Wolfgang Schuster <
schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Am 11.05.2013 um 16:22 schrieb seasoul :
>
> > I was trying the example of "writing a parse/formatter" under "Verbatim
> text".
> >
> > The python formatter runs successfully. But when I compile the text file
> with all the definitions included,  an error occurs.
> >
> >
> > 
> > }
> > 
> > \endgroup
> > \buff_verbatim_type_block_verbatim_indeed ...ines
> > \dostoptagged \csname #2\e...
> >
> >
> > It could be implemented forcefully, but definitely not an excuse to
> ignore this error.
>
> You have to change the color settings from
>
>   {\color[…]…}
>
> to
>
>   \color[…]{…}
>
> because the command expects the text as argument.
>
> Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] python parse/formatter example on the wiki

2013-05-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster 

Am 11.05.2013 um 16:22 schrieb seasoul :

> I was trying the example of "writing a parse/formatter" under "Verbatim text".
> 
> The python formatter runs successfully. But when I compile the text file with 
> all the definitions included,  an error occurs.
> 
> 
> 
> }
> 
> \endgroup
> \buff_verbatim_type_block_verbatim_indeed ...ines
> \dostoptagged \csname #2\e...
> 
> 
> It could be implemented forcefully, but definitely not an excuse to ignore 
> this error.

You have to change the color settings from

  {\color[…]…}

to

  \color[…]{…}

because the command expects the text as argument.

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] authoring for web and print - suggestions

2013-05-11 Thread Martin Schröder 
2013/5/11 Norbert Preining :
> Does anyone have experience with authoring for web and print. I.e.,
> we want to maintain only one format and generate both web pages and
> printed documentation from it. Is there intrinsic or through addons
> support in ConteXt for this?

Consider pandoc.
But you probably need math. :-)

Best
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[NTG-context] python parse/formatter example on the wiki

2013-05-11 Thread seasoul 
I was trying the example of "writing a parse/formatter" under "Verbatim
text".

The python formatter runs successfully. But when I compile the text file
with all the definitions included,  an error occurs.




}



\endgroup

\buff_verbatim_type_block_verbatim_indeed ...ines

\dostoptagged \csname #2\e...



It could be implemented forcefully, but definitely not an excuse to ignore
this error.


Any solutions?
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Re: [NTG-context] authoring for web and print - suggestions

2013-05-11 Thread Grant Rettke 
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Hans Hagen  wrote:

> On 5/11/2013 2:47 PM, Grant Rettke wrote:
>
>> http://www.leverkruid.eu/**context/index.html
>>
>> Looks really interesting.
>>
>
> Don't go that route ... it's mkii based and overloads low level context
> commands (which even for that approach is not needed). It's far more
> convenient to use mkiv's tree based xml handler with expressions.
>

Understood. Thanks!
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Re: [NTG-context] authoring for web and print - suggestions

2013-05-11 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 5/11/2013 2:47 PM, Grant Rettke wrote:

http://www.leverkruid.eu/context/index.html

Looks really interesting.


Don't go that route ... it's mkii based and overloads low level context 
commands (which even for that approach is not needed). It's far more 
convenient to use mkiv's tree based xml handler with expressions.


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] authoring for web and print - suggestions

2013-05-11 Thread Grant Rettke 
http://www.leverkruid.eu/context/index.html

Looks really interesting.

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Ondřej Hošek  wrote:

> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz
>  wrote:
> > I think the most natural route would be to author your content in generic
> > xml. This can be wonderfully processed in ConTeXt
>
> The relevant manual section [1] seems to be the authoritative document
> on this, though I don't know how up-to-date it is. The wiki [2]
> contains additional, perhaps more practical, information.
>
> Cheers,
> ~~ Ondra
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> [1] http://pragma-ade.com/show-man-43.htm
> [2] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/XML
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Re: [NTG-context] authoring for web and print - suggestions

2013-05-11 Thread Ondřej Hošek 
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz
 wrote:
> I think the most natural route would be to author your content in generic
> xml. This can be wonderfully processed in ConTeXt

The relevant manual section [1] seems to be the authoritative document
on this, though I don't know how up-to-date it is. The wiki [2]
contains additional, perhaps more practical, information.

Cheers,
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[1] http://pragma-ade.com/show-man-43.htm
[2] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/XML

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Re: [NTG-context] Formulas in ConTeXt are different from those in plain TeX

2013-05-11 Thread Hans Hagen 
On 5/11/2013 12:16 PM, Tim Li wrote:
> Thanks, Hans,
> 
> can you give me a small example or show me how to do that? I really 
> don't know how to do that. :-(

see plain.tex and the tex book

but you can bet on interference ... deep down, math in context is
implemented in a rather special way and that might conflict with more
traditional approaches

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] authoring for web and print - suggestions

2013-05-11 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz 

On 05/11/2013 12:26 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:

Does anyone have experience with authoring for web and print. I.e.,
we want to maintain only one format and generate both web pages and
printed documentation from it. Is there intrinsic or through addons
support in ConteXt for this?

Any suggestion would be greatly welcome


I think the most natural route would be to author your content in 
generic xml. This can be wonderfully processed in ConTeXt, and you can 
use XSLT to produce xhtml. In theory, you could also directly process 
xhtml in ConTeXt, but personally (mind you, I'm no authority on these 
questions at all) writing xml (such as docbook) gives you more wiggle 
room, should you ever want to reuse your content (just think your 
organization uses a new CMS, and you need a different form of html).


Thomas
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[NTG-context] authoring for web and print - suggestions

2013-05-11 Thread Norbert Preining 
Dear all,

this time I have a question not concerning how to ship ConTeXt in Debian
or so, but very different.

Does anyone have experience with authoring for web and print. I.e.,
we want to maintain only one format and generate both web pages and
printed documentation from it. Is there intrinsic or through addons
support in ConteXt for this?

Any suggestion would be greatly welcome

Norbert


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Re: [NTG-context] Formulas in ConTeXt are different from those in plain TeX

2013-05-11 Thread Hans Hagen 

On 5/11/2013 1:57 AM, Tim Li wrote:

Hi,

I have asked this question on tex.stackexchange.com

http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/113592/formulas-in-context-are-different-from-those-in-plain-tex/113609?noredirect=1#comment250549_113609



as the title said, formulas typeset by ConTeXt are different from those
by plain TeX.
The minimal examples are here:

% plain luatex in ConTeXt standalone

$$\int_a^bf(x)dx=F(b)-F(a)$$
\bye

% context

\starttext
\startformula
\int\nolimits_a^bf(x)dx=F(b)-F(a)
\stopformula
\stoptext

Marco said to me that that's because the fonts used by LuaTeX and
ConTeXt are different. This can be seen from the pdf produced by them

pdffonts context.pdf
name type  emb sub uni object ID
 - --- --- --- -
OLAZTU+LMRoman12-Regular CID Type 0C   yes yes yes 18  0
RXHAAY+LatinModernMath-Regular   CID Type 0C   yes yes yes 19  0
JTHTZJ+LatinModernMath-Regular   CID Type 0C   yes yes yes 20  0

pdffonts plain.pdf
name type  emb sub uni object ID
 - --- --- --- -
APMHZE+LMMathExtension10-Regular Type 1yes yes no   4  0
AWBTPY+LMMathItalic7-Regular Type 1yes yes no   5  0
ITITNI+LMMathItalic10-RegularType 1yes yes no   6  0
DMNVHT+LMRoman10-Regular Type 1yes yes no   7  0
MGKPYK+LMMathSymbols10-Regular   Type 1yes yes no   8  0

even if using the `modern-designsize-virtual` typescript(advice from
Marco), I still get the different outputs.

Now, I get confused about this qustion. If ConTeXt uses LuaTeX as its
engine, how can I tune ConTeXt so that it can produce the same formulas
with those in plain TeX?


you could define your own 'plain like' math setup using type one fonts 
and families and all symbol names redefined or use the virtual lm instead



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