Re: [NTG-context] more manuals

2006-04-23 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 11:08:33PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Hi,

Hello,

> 
> I uploaded

Mmm, uploaded to where ?

I did visit http://www.pragma-ade.com/download-1.htm
and clicked 6 (six) times on 'next'

I also did visit http://www.pragma-ade.com/document-1.htm
where I clicked on 'all manuals' which did bring me
to http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-man-1.htm.
Seeing the "page 1 of 42" made me loose my appetite.

Writing this E-mail inspired me to manaully change the URL
to http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-man-42.htm
but still not the fresh uploaded manuals.

In other words:
 
 Add a URL to a "I uploaded"


> enattab
> eppchtex

What do the documents document?
Please provide a (short) description of the manuals.


> esp the nattab manual needs some updating (new features) so if you run 
> into a missing aspect ...

 ... 

I think that is another example of 

 * you mean what I mean
 * smart people will find their way, normal people can follow them
 * I have no time to communicate, your help is welcome
 * 

> Hans

This E-mail is written with the best intensions,
but it can be read as offencesive.
In that case: Shoot the messenger and return to bisness as usual


Cheers
Geert Stappers


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Re: [NTG-context] documents to (print and) read

2006-03-29 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, Mar 28, 2006 at 06:12:30PM +0200, Jano Kula wrote:
> 
  [ "&emdash;" expected to be defined ] 
> 
> > Here is the hint - needs to be wikified now ... -) 
> 
> I can't resist to do so (that's why I need an explanation), cause as a 
> newbie I see the only weakness of the ConTeXt in the lack of documentation.
> 
> Well, there is a lot of it, maybe there is too much of it spread all 
> over the different places (that's why wiki is here), maybe I'm not 
> familiar enough with ConTeXt yet, but as a long term user of LaTeX I'm 
> still quite confused after a week or so of browsing through the 
> documentation, trying to find out how the things work and how they are 
> related. Well, it took some time to understand LaTeX, too. I would buy 
> the book mentioned here immediatelly.
> 
> These are not complaints, just another hint how to smooth starting with 
> ConTeXt. As I see the possibilities I become addicted ;) and I do 
> understand the developers have a lot of work with developing.
> 
> Would anybody who suggests the wikifying mind the proper place to put it 
> in the wiki, if known? Or I shouldn't care and the administators tide it 
> up occasionally. As a newbie I might not to think of writing to wiki, 
> but better something than nothing, right?
> 
> As the new one here, I can add some small examples as I learn and test 
> the things, what would be nice for the newcomers, if somebody 
> experienced would add to wiki an explanation of the documentations in 
> terms of user experience
> 
> 1. "must read"
> 2. how the things work (texexec, etc.)
> 3. simple topics
> 4. advanced features
> 
> If I see the all-manuals page (http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-man.pdf) I 
> really don't know where to start. All the titles look so interesting! 
> Such overview could postpone the temptation to seek for advanced topic 
> and subsequently get lost, as in my case. (Might be only my fault.)


Here the very same situation. My question boils down to

  Which document should I print, book bundle and read.


(Reading the "wrong" manual is only "lost time",
printing the wrong manual is waste of time AND materiaals ... )

> 
> Sorry for the desperade bigginer's notes, hope they help. To finish it 
> why I can't get these two (advanced) pages?
> 
> http://www.pragma-ade.com/makeres.html
> http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/xcorresp.pdf_Serial_Letters

On which page were to broken links (404s) encountered?

> 
> Looking forward to use ConTeXt,
> 
> Jano


Geert


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Re: [NTG-context] xml / docbook

2006-03-27 Thread Geert Stappers
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 09:24:50AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
Hi,

> Could anyone give some tips how to make Docbook work with context? I 
> followed the documentation, but somehow it does not work.

Please elaborate that.
( show your converting XSL files, show your XML source files
show which (unwanted) results you get)


> This would, i believe, also solve Johannes' problem.

Incomplete documentation affects even more people ...


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[NTG-context] sources of the manaul

2006-03-17 Thread Geert Stappers
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 05:17:46PM -0500, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, frantisek holop wrote:
> >
> > i think i have read something about this issue, but i don't remember
> > where or when :)
> 
> You can check out the manual sources from the svn respository 
> svn://ctx.pragma-ade.nl/manuals

Is there a "read-only account" available?
When doing a check out, how much data will be transferred?
(So I can estimate the download time (or reconsider doing it ;- ))



> If you prefer to browse them online they are available at
> http://context.aanhet.net/svn/


Or is that the "read-only account"?
(Is  `svn checkout http://context.aanhet.net/svn/ context-manual`
the way to go ? )


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Re: [NTG-context] Manual or Book

2006-03-13 Thread Geert Stappers
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 06:32:59PM -0500, John R. Culleton wrote:
> On Friday 10 March 2006 13:29, Jeffrey Drake wrote:
> > I have heard a bit of talk about 'if the manual is updated' or some
> > such like that. I was going to have the manual printed in a book so I
> > have a hardcopy. Is the manual still current and relevant that it
> > would be worth it?
> >
> 
> The manual is five years old. the pattern has been to issue
> additional documentation rather than update the "big" manual. 
> I printed mine out, have it in my manual rack, and it is getting
> worn out from use. 

Worn out from use is one of the better things that can happen to a manual.

> You may as well print it out.
> I have not heard of a new edition pending.  


Mmmm, I'm also looking for a printed edition of the ConTeXt manual.

Does this ML have publishers subscribed that have some VC to burn?
Or does see someone else see a possibilty for a ConTeXt book?


Geert Stappers


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Re: [NTG-context] Context Garden, wiki not accesable

2006-03-10 Thread Geert Stappers
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 03:04:04PM -0500, Jeffrey Drake wrote:
> On 3/10/06, Geert Stappers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 01:04:17PM -0500, Jeffrey Drake wrote:
> > > On 3/10/06, Taco Hoekwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Jeffrey Drake wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > DNS Domain 'www.contextgarden.net' is invalid: Host not found
> > > > > (authoritative).
> > > >
> > > > You can try http://wiki.contextgarden.net directly, maybe?
> > > >
> > > > > This means that:
> > > > >
> > > > > The named host probably does not exist.
> > > >
> > > > Some server along the way is lying, because the host definately does
> > > > exist (it has IP 83.151.27.139), and its authoritive nameservers
> > > > report the information correctly.
> > >
> > > I have tried both directly with no success.
> >
> > Okay, noticed.
> >
> > Next thing to do is that _you_ fix the network setup at _your end_
> >
> I have no understanding of what the problem is to know even what to
> say to the network guys.

Print this E-mail and bring it to the network guys.

They will read this from top to bottom (people tend to read in that
order) and will known what to do ( yes, I assume that a network
administrator is worth it's money )


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Re: [NTG-context] Context Garden, wiki not accesable

2006-03-10 Thread Geert Stappers
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 01:04:17PM -0500, Jeffrey Drake wrote:
> On 3/10/06, Taco Hoekwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Jeffrey Drake wrote:
> > > DNS Domain 'www.contextgarden.net' is invalid: Host not found
> > > (authoritative).
> >
> > You can try http://wiki.contextgarden.net directly, maybe?
> >
> > > This means that:
> > >
> > > The named host probably does not exist.
> >
> > Some server along the way is lying, because the host definately does
> > exist (it has IP 83.151.27.139), and its authoritive nameservers
> > report the information correctly.
>
> I have tried both directly with no success.

Okay, noticed.

Next thing to do is that _you_ fix the network setup at _your end_


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Re: [NTG-context] Context Garden, wiki not accesable

2006-03-10 Thread Geert Stappers
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 01:10:48AM -0500, Jeffrey Drake wrote:
> Is there any downloadable copy of the Context Garden site that is not
> on the Context Garden website?
> 
> At my school unfortunately we don't seem to be able to get through to
> context garden wiki. But trying to get into ConTeXt would likely be
> much smoother with access to the information.
> 
> Any help is appreciated.

I think you need help from the network administrator at _your_ side.

Start at least to describe what you (can) see from
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page

Mmm, that is allready the URL that you get after going
to http://www.contextgarden.net

Could it be that you are behind
(something like a) webproxy that can't cope with redirects???


Geert Stappers


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Re: [NTG-context] mswincontext.zip installation

2006-03-07 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 06:48:50PM -, Keith McKay wrote:
> And me to! Thanks!
> 
> Would some kind soul care to write up on the Wiki the best way to update the
> windows stand alone version?  Please.


AFAIK is the Wiki page
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Windows_Installation


HtH
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