Re: [NTG-context] \unit problem with powers of ten.
Le samedi 24 novembre 2012, Hans Hagen a écrit : > On 11/24/2012 1:48 AM, Sietse Brouwer wrote: > >>> The '^' and 'e' all print a '10 ×' at the begining. It's what is > >>> expected for > >>> 'e' but not for '^'. Did I miss something? > >> > >> well, until now ^ and e were equivalent so if that has to change (say ^ > >> no 10) then there need to be agreement about this as it's an > >> incompatible change > > > > I, for one, would expect 2^3 to mean '2 cubed', not 2x10^3. So I'd be > > in favour of this change. Then again, I have no code that depends on > > the old meaning... > > interesting so then we need a list of more ^2 ^3 ^4 ^5 ... and what > about ^1.2 I don't know everyone's use of \units but for physicists I think that the only case where it should be usefull is for 10^something (like \unit{10^-12 second} ;). Maybe the informaticians need 2^something… The other cases are probably marginals. > then, what will be the escape for the texlike 2^3? maybe $2^3$, so $ > will leave scanning mode That's already working and this should be the way when one need something unusual. Maybe a support for \m{} should be usefull for those who do not use $...$ anymore. For the moment nested curly brackets aren't supported inside a \m{} which himself is inside a \unit{}. All the best. -- Romain Diss ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \unit problem with powers of ten.
On 11/24/2012 1:48 AM, Sietse Brouwer wrote: The '^' and 'e' all print a '10 ×' at the begining. It's what is expected for 'e' but not for '^'. Did I miss something? well, until now ^ and e were equivalent so if that has to change (say ^ no 10) then there need to be agreement about this as it's an incompatible change I, for one, would expect 2^3 to mean '2 cubed', not 2x10^3. So I'd be in favour of this change. Then again, I have no code that depends on the old meaning... interesting so then we need a list of more ^2 ^3 ^4 ^5 ... and what about ^1.2 then, what will be the escape for the texlike 2^3? maybe $2^3$, so $ will leave scanning mode the 2^3 is probably not used that much --Sietse P.s. Isn't MkIV known to be unstable? I thought the official advice was "If you want stability, use (a) MkII, or (b) a stable version of MkIV, or (c) a dedicated standalone install that you do not update. so you want instability to be a leading design principle ... i'll think about it Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \unit problem with powers of ten.
Le samedi 24 novembre 2012, Sietse Brouwer a écrit : > > > The '^' and 'e' all print a '10 ×' at the begining. It's what is > > > expected for > > > 'e' but not for '^'. > > > > well, until now ^ and e were equivalent so if that has to change (say ^ > > no 10) then there need to be agreement about this as it's an > > incompatible change > > I, for one, would expect 2^3 to mean '2 cubed', not 2x10^3. So I'd be > in favour of this change. Then again, I have no code that depends on > the old meaning... Of course, I'm also in favour of 2^3 to mean '2 cubed'. -- Romain Diss ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \unit problem with powers of ten.
>> The '^' and 'e' all print a '10 ×' at the begining. It's what is expected >> for >> 'e' but not for '^'. Did I miss something? > > > well, until now ^ and e were equivalent so if that has to change (say ^ no > 10) then there need to be agreement about this as it's an incompatible > change I, for one, would expect 2^3 to mean '2 cubed', not 2x10^3. So I'd be in favour of this change. Then again, I have no code that depends on the old meaning... --Sietse P.s. Isn't MkIV known to be unstable? I thought the official advice was "If you want stability, use (a) MkII, or (b) a stable version of MkIV, or (c) a dedicated standalone install that you do not update. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \unit problem with powers of ten.
On 11/23/2012 8:25 PM, Romain Diss wrote: Hi, Le jeudi 22 novembre 2012, Hans Hagen a écrit : On 11/19/2012 11:44 PM, Romain Diss wrote: Hi all, I got some problems to express powers of ten in the \unit command. See the strange behaviour with these two minimal examples. \starttext \unit{10^2 meter}\\ \unit{10^{-12} second} \stoptext Is this a bug or are these expressions not supported? not supported .. i've added it to the upcoming beta: Thank you very much. needs testing as usual (and wiki adaption as well) I have upgraded my context version few minutes ago: $ context --version mtx-context | ConTeXt Process Management 0.60 mtx-context | current version: 2012.11.23 17:35 but your following code doesn't work completely: \starttext \startlines \unit{10^12 meter} \unit{10^{-12} second} \unit{10^{12} second} \unit{10e12 meter} \unit{10e{-12} second} \unit{10e{12} second} \stoplines \stoptext The '^' and 'e' all print a '10 ×' at the begining. It's what is expected for 'e' but not for '^'. Did I miss something? well, until now ^ and e were equivalent so if that has to change (say ^ no 10) then there need to be agreement about this as it's an incompatible change i only added support for {..} - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \unit problem with powers of ten.
Hi, Le jeudi 22 novembre 2012, Hans Hagen a écrit : > On 11/19/2012 11:44 PM, Romain Diss wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I got some problems to express powers of ten in the \unit command. See > > the strange behaviour with these two minimal examples. > > > > \starttext > > \unit{10^2 meter}\\ > > \unit{10^{-12} second} > > \stoptext > > Is this a bug or are these expressions not supported? > > not supported .. i've added it to the upcoming beta: Thank you very much. > needs testing as usual (and wiki adaption as well) I have upgraded my context version few minutes ago: $ context --version mtx-context | ConTeXt Process Management 0.60 mtx-context | current version: 2012.11.23 17:35 but your following code doesn't work completely: > \starttext > > \startlines > \unit{10^12 meter} > \unit{10^{-12} second} > \unit{10^{12} second} > \unit{10e12 meter} > \unit{10e{-12} second} > \unit{10e{12} second} > \stoplines > > \stoptext The '^' and 'e' all print a '10 ×' at the begining. It's what is expected for 'e' but not for '^'. Did I miss something? -- Romain Diss ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \unit problem with powers of ten.
> needs testing as usual (and wiki adaption as well) http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/unit Wiki: adapted. (Page created, actually, as there was none.) Using the fancy-schmancy {{since|2012|text=nov 2012}} template, which (1) marks this as a recent feature, and as such not in the stable yet, and (2) sticks it in the hidden categories [Since] and [Since 2012], so that we may review (and remove) those tags when the new stable comes out next year. --Sietse On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 11/19/2012 11:44 PM, Romain Diss wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I got some problems to express powers of ten in the \unit command. See the >> strange behaviour with these two minimal examples. >> >> \starttext >> \unit{10^2 meter}\\ >> \unit{10^{-12} second} >> \stoptext >> >> However, there is no problem with this one: \unit{1e-4 kilogram}. >> >> Is this a bug or are these expressions not supported? > > > not supported .. i've added it to the upcoming beta: > > \starttext > > \startlines > \unit{10^12 meter} > \unit{10^{-12} second} > \unit{10^{12} second} > \unit{10e12 meter} > \unit{10e{-12} second} > \unit{10e{12} second} > \stoplines > > \stoptext > > needs testing as usual (and wiki adaption as well) > > Hans > > > - > Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE > Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands > tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com > | www.pragma-pod.nl > - > > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \unit problem with powers of ten.
On 11/19/2012 11:44 PM, Romain Diss wrote: Hi all, I got some problems to express powers of ten in the \unit command. See the strange behaviour with these two minimal examples. \starttext \unit{10^2 meter}\\ \unit{10^{-12} second} \stoptext However, there is no problem with this one: \unit{1e-4 kilogram}. Is this a bug or are these expressions not supported? not supported .. i've added it to the upcoming beta: \starttext \startlines \unit{10^12 meter} \unit{10^{-12} second} \unit{10^{12} second} \unit{10e12 meter} \unit{10e{-12} second} \unit{10e{12} second} \stoplines \stoptext needs testing as usual (and wiki adaption as well) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \unit problem with powers of ten.
At least me have seen your post and tried some solutions, but nothing useful On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Romain Diss wrote: > Hi all, > > Le mardi 20 novembre 2012, Romain Diss a écrit : > > Le lundi 19 novembre 2012, Romain Diss a écrit : > > > I got some problems to express powers of ten in the \unit command. See > > > the strange behaviour with these two minimal examples. > > > > > > \starttext > > > \unit{10^2 meter}\\ > > > \unit{10^{-12} second} > > > \stoptext > > > Is this a bug or are these expressions not supported? > > > > I'm not an expert neither in TeX nor Lua, but I quickly glance at the > > source code (phys-dim.*) and here is what I understand: > > — the brackets { } are not recognized (a comment in the lua code > mentioned > > it), so \unit{10^{-12} second} should be \unit{10^-12 second}; > > — the hat sign '^' is recognized as 'e' so it means "… times ten to the > > power…" instead of "to the power…" as one should expect. > > > > So I come back to my problem. I want to write 10⁻¹² s (ten to the > negative > > twelfth power second). Actually, I'm typing \math{10^{-12} \unit{second}} > > but I'd prefer to type \unit{10^-12 second} (for coherence). Is it > > possible to modify phys-dim.lua in that way or is this to much work (I > > have no idea if this is a matter of changing one line or a hundred lines > > in phys-dim.lua. Maybe also this is a too specific request, I don't know… > > Nobody seems very enthusiastic concerning this thread so I tried to go > further > in the comprehension of the phys-dim.lua code. I now have found an > approximate > solution to my problem : > \unit{$10^{-12}$ second} > give the right result. It is not very satisfactory because I'm now used to > use > \m{} instead of $ $. In the phys-dim.lua code, the line 64 shows that \m{} > can > be used inside \unit{} but this doesn't work for: > \unit{\m{10^{-12}} second} > because the pattern doesn't handle nested curly braces. > > Is there any Lua expert to find a pattern to handle exponents? > > Thank you. > > -- > Romain Diss > > > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___ > -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \unit problem with powers of ten.
Hi all, Le mardi 20 novembre 2012, Romain Diss a écrit : > Le lundi 19 novembre 2012, Romain Diss a écrit : > > I got some problems to express powers of ten in the \unit command. See > > the strange behaviour with these two minimal examples. > > > > \starttext > > \unit{10^2 meter}\\ > > \unit{10^{-12} second} > > \stoptext > > Is this a bug or are these expressions not supported? > > I'm not an expert neither in TeX nor Lua, but I quickly glance at the > source code (phys-dim.*) and here is what I understand: > — the brackets { } are not recognized (a comment in the lua code mentioned > it), so \unit{10^{-12} second} should be \unit{10^-12 second}; > — the hat sign '^' is recognized as 'e' so it means "… times ten to the > power…" instead of "to the power…" as one should expect. > > So I come back to my problem. I want to write 10⁻¹² s (ten to the negative > twelfth power second). Actually, I'm typing \math{10^{-12} \unit{second}} > but I'd prefer to type \unit{10^-12 second} (for coherence). Is it > possible to modify phys-dim.lua in that way or is this to much work (I > have no idea if this is a matter of changing one line or a hundred lines > in phys-dim.lua. Maybe also this is a too specific request, I don't know… Nobody seems very enthusiastic concerning this thread so I tried to go further in the comprehension of the phys-dim.lua code. I now have found an approximate solution to my problem : \unit{$10^{-12}$ second} give the right result. It is not very satisfactory because I'm now used to use \m{} instead of $ $. In the phys-dim.lua code, the line 64 shows that \m{} can be used inside \unit{} but this doesn't work for: \unit{\m{10^{-12}} second} because the pattern doesn't handle nested curly braces. Is there any Lua expert to find a pattern to handle exponents? Thank you. -- Romain Diss ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] \unit problem with powers of ten.
Le lundi 19 novembre 2012, Romain Diss a écrit : > I got some problems to express powers of ten in the \unit command. See the > strange behaviour with these two minimal examples. > > \starttext > \unit{10^2 meter}\\ > \unit{10^{-12} second} > \stoptext > Is this a bug or are these expressions not supported? I'm not an expert neither in TeX nor Lua, but I quickly glance at the source code (phys-dim.*) and here is what I understand: — the brackets { } are not recognized (a comment in the lua code mentioned it), so \unit{10^{-12} second} should be \unit{10^-12 second}; — the hat sign '^' is recognized as 'e' so it means "… times ten to the power…" instead of "to the power…" as one should expect. So I come back to my problem. I want to write 10⁻¹² s (ten to the negative twelfth power second). Actually, I'm typing \math{10^{-12} \unit{second}} but I'd prefer to type \unit{10^-12 second} (for coherence). Is it possible to modify phys-dim.lua in that way or is this to much work (I have no idea if this is a matter of changing one line or a hundred lines in phys-dim.lua. Maybe also this is a too specific request, I don't know… Anyway, thank you in advance. All the best. -- Romain Diss ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] \unit problem with powers of ten.
Hi all, I got some problems to express powers of ten in the \unit command. See the strange behaviour with these two minimal examples. \starttext \unit{10^2 meter}\\ \unit{10^{-12} second} \stoptext However, there is no problem with this one: \unit{1e-4 kilogram}. Is this a bug or are these expressions not supported? Thanks. -- Romain Diss ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] \unit problem
Hello all, It seems that some unit combinations don't work very well with the \unit macro. I have some problems with the m- (milli-) prefix but some tests reveal other strange errors. Here is a not so minimal example. The first 33 entries come from "phys- dim.mkiv" and work well. In the entries 100 to 115 which I added, the 102, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112 and 115 cause problem : \starttext \startbuffer 01: $10\unit{km/h}$ 02: $\unit{10 km/h}$ 03: \unit{km/h} 04: \unit{10 km/h} 05: \unit{10 km/h} 06: \unit{~1 km/h} 07: 10\unit{km/h} 08: 10 \unit{km/h} 09: $10 \unit{km/h}$ 10: 10 \unit{KiloMeter/Hour} 11: 10 \unit{kilometer/hour} 12: 10 \unit{km/h} 13: 10 \unit{kilometer per hour} 14: 10 \unit{km / h} 15: 10 \unit{ km / h } 16: 10 \unit{km/ms2} 17: 10 \unit{meter per second} 18: 10 \unit{cubic meter} 19: 10 \unit{cubic meter per second} 21: 10 \unit{cubic meter / second} 22: $10 \unit{cubic meter / second}$ 23: 30 \unit{kilo pascal } 24: 30 \unit{kilo pascal square meter / second} 25: 30 \unit{kilo pascal square meter / kelvin second} 26: \unit{30 kilo pascal square meter / kelvin second} 27: $30 \unit{kilo pascal square meter / kelvin second }$ 28: 30 \unit{crap} 29: 30 \unit{AC} 30: $\frac{10 \unit{m/s}}{20 \unit{m/s}} $ 31: {\ss 30 \unit{kilo pascal square meter / second kelvin}} 32: \unit{123.22^-3 km/s} 33: \unit{123.22e-3 km/s} 100: \unit{10 mm} 101: \unit{10 km} 102: \unit{10,2 mA} 103: \unit{123 kA} 104: \unit{0,001 MA} 105: \unit{1 dal} 106: \unit{2.21 GW} 107: \unit{345 mW} 108: \unit{152.20 mHz} 109: \unit{55.5 mmol} 110: \unit{6.7 mol/l} 111: \unit{125 g/l} 112: \unit{125 g / l} 113: \unit{125 km/s} 114: \unit{125 m/s} 115: \unit{125 mA/s} \stopbuffer \typebuffer Result: \startlines \getbuffer \stoplines \stoptext Thank you for your help. -- Romain Diss ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___