Re: [NTG-context] Better support for Croatian in lang-sla.tex (patch included)
On 12.07.2010 21:23, ntg-context-requ...@ntg.nl wrote: we need to define what that means then ... as i can imagine only combining multiple languages with respect to hyphenation Much anticipated! -- Best Regards, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Better support for Croatian in lang-sla.tex (patch included)
On 12-7-2010 6:01, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
2010/7/12 Hans Hagen:
On 11-7-2010 11:46, Vedran Miletić wrote:
Here is a better patch, with new strings translated and v!appendix
commented as in lang-ger.tex.
I could also add support for Serbian latin, but I have no idea how to
add new language that will allow both latin and cyrilic.
we need to define what that means then ... as i can imagine only combining
multiple languages with respect to hyphenation
In case of Serbian it's in fact about dealing with two completely
"different languages" in terms of TeX. Latin script and Cyrillic
script require different patterns, different font encodings and
different labels.
The \mainlanguage[serbian][script=latin] and [script=cyrillic] would
only be "a more elegant/proper" way as opposed to
\mainlanguage[serbian-latn] and \mainlanguage[serbian-cyrl] (or
serbian-latin or serbianl or sr-latn or ...). In reality the two
should be two different languages, the second parameter would only be
a more elegant way, like for German. Polyglossia has
[german][spelling=old/new] (or something similar).
so that would eventually expand to
\mainlanguage[serbian-\languageparameter{script}-\languageparameter{spelling}-..-\languageparameter{whoknowswhat}]
the danger of that approach is that we end up with as many keys as
languages because most are only used (ok, they are probably then also
misused) for one case (and no one knows what's used for what then)
in mkiv i'd like to follow another route also because we might want to
bring more typographical issues in the game
for instance, although not yet interfaced there is a difference between
labellanguage
headlanguage
mathlabellanguage
that takes care of labels but we migth need something country related
for dates, maybe
conversioncountry
and for patterns we can just use
patternset
when setting up a specific language we then choose a preset i.e. a
combination of settings and serbian-latin is quite ok then
this all is something i'm working on and is also influenced by
discussions in the oriental tex team
If you simply choose two names for language (for example sr-latn and
sr-cyrl), it should be straightforward to add both languages to MKII
as well.
in mkii one can mix font encodings and multiple font encodings can be
set up per language; so, it should be possible to define a language with
two encodings and then when a font switch takes place the right ones
will be chosen. But anyhow, mkii will not be extended and certainly not
in areas were there was never any demand.
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Better support for Croatian in lang-sla.tex (patch included)
2010/7/12 Hans Hagen : > On 11-7-2010 11:46, Vedran Miletić wrote: >> >> Here is a better patch, with new strings translated and v!appendix >> commented as in lang-ger.tex. >> >> I could also add support for Serbian latin, but I have no idea how to >> add new language that will allow both latin and cyrilic. > > we need to define what that means then ... as i can imagine only combining > multiple languages with respect to hyphenation In case of Serbian it's in fact about dealing with two completely "different languages" in terms of TeX. Latin script and Cyrillic script require different patterns, different font encodings and different labels. The \mainlanguage[serbian][script=latin] and [script=cyrillic] would only be "a more elegant/proper" way as opposed to \mainlanguage[serbian-latn] and \mainlanguage[serbian-cyrl] (or serbian-latin or serbianl or sr-latn or ...). In reality the two should be two different languages, the second parameter would only be a more elegant way, like for German. Polyglossia has [german][spelling=old/new] (or something similar). If you simply choose two names for language (for example sr-latn and sr-cyrl), it should be straightforward to add both languages to MKII as well. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Better support for Croatian in lang-sla.tex (patch included)
On 11-7-2010 11:46, Vedran Miletić wrote: Here is a better patch, with new strings translated and v!appendix commented as in lang-ger.tex. I could also add support for Serbian latin, but I have no idea how to add new language that will allow both latin and cyrilic. we need to define what that means then ... as i can imagine only combining multiple languages with respect to hyphenation in that case it's not so much a new language as more a matter of defining patterns in mkii this is not feasible due to the relationship between fonts and languages etc but in mkiv it's quite doable i actually have a mkiv prototype for that but as it breaks a few things i have to redo it so it it will show up some time soon Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Better support for Croatian in lang-sla.tex (patch included)
Here is a better patch, with new strings translated and v!appendix commented as in lang-ger.tex. I could also add support for Serbian latin, but I have no idea how to add new language that will allow both latin and cyrilic. -- Vedran Miletić lang-sla.patch Description: Binary data ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Better support for Croatian in lang-sla.tex (patch included)
Hi, I made some modifications to lang-sla.tex that improve support for Croatian language (quotes, quotations and translations). Hope this can be included in ConTeXt. Regarding translations, I assume existing were done by Mojca, and they are certainly much better than Slovenian tranlsations that I would make :-) -- Vedran Miletić lang-sla.patch Description: Binary data ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
