Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
On 7/22/2015 11:33 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Dear Pablo,
Thank you very much for what you proposed — it did work indeed. I tried to
achieve the same at some length this afternoon. I think I understand what is
going on in the first macro, but wouldn’t have been able to arrive at the the
second one for \variant, or the counter (and still don’t fully understand it).
Thanks again.
Hans, Idris, Thomas, and others interested in critical editions: I wonder
whether this code — with the user-facing command \variant{#1}{#2} — might be
something that could become part of an eventual CritTeXt package.
This is rather specific code and one then ends up with options for
either or not the ] and so which then makes it more complex. Better is
to collect such things into a module. If there is enough we can always
see if some mechanisms are needed.
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
On 07/22/2015 11:33 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote: Dear Pablo, Thank you very much for what you proposed — it did work indeed. I tried to achieve the same at some length this afternoon. I think I understand what is going on in the first macro, but wouldn’t have been able to arrive at the the second one for \variant, or the counter (and still don’t fully understand it). Thanks again. Dear Talal, well, both macros come from Hans... I’m afraid I’m not smart enough for that code ;-). BTW, I just accidentally discovered a possible fix for the hyphenation issue (although I’m not sure it is a bug itself). I will open another thread to discuss that with the experts. Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
On 07/22/2015 09:26 PM, Talal wrote:
[...]
I would like to be able to automate (through macros) the making of a
critical apparatus' note. This is for two reasons. First, the body text
and the lemma in the note below should be identical: as such, they
ideally not have to be typed twice, as it introduces the possibility of
error. Furthermore, if one manually writes out \linenote{Lemma ]
Comment} in the body of the text, you forego the separation of content
and style, since the separator ] has been hardcoded in.
Hi Talal,
I wonder whether creating a new thread should be the right thing to do.
The original thread is three years old.
Anyway, this may help you (it isn’t my original code):
\unexpanded\def\doVariant#1#2#3%
{\startlinenote[#1]{#2] #3}#2\stoplinenote[#1]}
\newcounter\countvariants
\unexpanded\def\variant
{\doglobal\increment\countvariants
\normalexpanded{\doVariant{Varia:\countvariants}}}
\starttext
\startlinenumbering
\dorecurse{20}{\variant{donald e knuth}{herman zapf} }
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext
BTW, it has a “minor issue”: hyphenation doesn’t work in the body text
It works fine in the notes. I reported this, but I’m afraid it hasn’t
been solved.
Just in case it helps,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
Hans Hagen pragma at wxs.nl writes:
Actually ranges have always been supported ...
Maybe I should add those commands.
Hans
Picking up on an old thread, again.
The document below lays out the three basic parts of a critical
apparatus of a critical edition of a text: (1) the body text; (2) the
lemma (which is the part of the body text being commented upon); and
(3) the comment on the lemma.
I would like to be able to automate (through macros) the making of a
critical apparatus' note. This is for two reasons. First, the body text
and the lemma in the note below should be identical: as such, they
ideally not have to be typed twice, as it introduces the possibility of
error. Furthermore, if one manually writes out \linenote{Lemma ]
Comment} in the body of the text, you forego the separation of content
and style, since the separator ] has been hardcoded in.
This is my attempt so far:
- - -
\setuplinenumbering[% style=\tfxx,referencing=on, step=1,
location=outer, method=page,align=left, distance=1em,
width=0.4em,]
\definelinenote[linenote][% paragraph=yes, frame=on,framecolor=red,
]% \setupnotation[linenote][% alternative=serried,width=broad,
distance=.5em, display=yes,]%
\def\variant#1#2{{#1}\linenote{{#1}] {#2}}}
\def\lemma{This is the LEMMA.} \def\comment{This is my COMMENT on the
lemma.} \def\bodytext{This is the BODY TEXT. It should be identical to
the lemma in the note: their being identical should be automated so as
to minimise errors and reduce the amount of typing.}
%% DOCUMENT
\starttext
\startlinenumbering
% EX1 \section{EX1} \variant{Lemma lemma lemma lemma lemma lemma lemma
lemma lemma lemma lemma lemma lemma} {Comment comment comment.}.\blank
% EX2 \section{EX2} \section{With start and stop} \startlinenote[one]
{\lemma ] \comment} \bodytext \stoplinenote[one]
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext
- - -
In the above, I have been able to successfully do automate this using
the macro command variant. With this approach, however, the line
number is only that of the last word in the lemma.
To get line numbers that span more than one line, Hans instructed us to
use \startlinenote[x]...\stoplinenote[x]. However, I have not been able
to figure out how to automate the making of the lemma and comment
like was done in EX1 in such a stopstart block. I assume that the
solution lies in using \startsetups…\stopsetups + \definestartstop.
However, despite many attempts, I haven't been able to concoct the
right set of macros within that to get it working.
I'd be grateful for any help that could be offered.
Many thanks, Talal
p.s. Hans: When using \startlinenote…\stoplinenote, the addition of
some unique name (e.g. \startlinenote[one]) is obviously necessary. Is
there any way to automate this as well, as part of some sets of
macros/commands?
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Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
Dear Pablo,
Thank you very much for what you proposed — it did work indeed. I tried to
achieve the same at some length this afternoon. I think I understand what is
going on in the first macro, but wouldn’t have been able to arrive at the the
second one for \variant, or the counter (and still don’t fully understand it).
Thanks again.
Hans, Idris, Thomas, and others interested in critical editions: I wonder
whether this code — with the user-facing command \variant{#1}{#2} — might be
something that could become part of an eventual CritTeXt package.
With many thanks and all best wishes,
Talal
p.s. I had thought it better to add this on to the old thread, since the topic
was contiguous. Admittedly, I’m not sure what the proper etiquette for such
matters is.
On 22 Jul 2015, at 21:19, Pablo Rodriguez oi...@gmx.es wrote:
On 07/22/2015 09:26 PM, Talal wrote:
[...]
I would like to be able to automate (through macros) the making of a
critical apparatus' note. This is for two reasons. First, the body text
and the lemma in the note below should be identical: as such, they
ideally not have to be typed twice, as it introduces the possibility of
error. Furthermore, if one manually writes out \linenote{Lemma ]
Comment} in the body of the text, you forego the separation of content
and style, since the separator ] has been hardcoded in.
Hi Talal,
I wonder whether creating a new thread should be the right thing to do.
The original thread is three years old.
Anyway, this may help you (it isn’t my original code):
\unexpanded\def\doVariant#1#2#3%
{\startlinenote[#1]{#2] #3}#2\stoplinenote[#1]}
\newcounter\countvariants
\unexpanded\def\variant
{\doglobal\increment\countvariants
\normalexpanded{\doVariant{Varia:\countvariants}}}
\starttext
\startlinenumbering
\dorecurse{20}{\variant{donald e knuth}{herman zapf} }
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext
BTW, it has a “minor issue”: hyphenation doesn’t work in the body text
It works fine in the notes. I reported this, but I’m afraid it hasn’t
been solved.
Just in case it helps,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
[If this is considered too off-topic for this list, please ignore this mail. My main point has still something to do with ConTeXt, but I guess this discussion shouldn't be continued on the list.] On 07/22/2012 08:07 PM, Pablo Rodríguez wrote: And to explain that a bit: it's not merely ugly. If all you want is the printed book, you don't care about the ugliness and simply code this way to get the desired output. However, we are in the 21st century. We should be beyond the point where a critical edition is the printed text, we should think of the typeset result as just one way of representing the logical structure of the edition. With a syntax as the one Wolfgang shows above, it is difficult for most parsers to understand what is meant. Which means most ways of representing such a structure will fail because it's not a consistent logical construct. And yes, as Pablo pointed out, TEI itself hasn't reached a clear conclusion on such points, and they are specialists who have been working on these problems for quite a while... Thomas, many thanks for your reply. You are the real expert on this topic. I don't really know why there are so many people from TEI working on textual variants, but my guess is that this might be also related to the different needs each of them might face for each kind of texts. Probably the needs to critically edit an ancient Greek or Latin author might differ with the ones for an early modern (or even contemporary) English or German author. I'm not an expert at all, but I'm trying to put together a research project that would help us make some progress here. But your assumption is basically correct: there are many different philologies with different habits and norms, and TEI has to take that into account. There is another issue that I would like to discuss. My question is what changes in a critical edition with no page model. I don't mean that critical editions need to be printed (it isn't a paper-based model), but I'm not so sure they can be properly represented without a page model. So, if I'm not wrong, it isn't only a question of data representation, but it is related to the logic of the text structure itself. Some have characterized the electronic text as infinite, in opposition to a page-based text that by definition finite. XML is a good example of a human-readable text, but this human-readability is relevant because of a prior machine-readability. XML is meaningful and useful for non-coders as source code to generate a human-understandable representation of text. Footnotes can be displayed not using a page model, because reference is on both the body and the note texts. A hyperlink is the right way to link each other. So, an infinite text is not a problem. The footnote doesn't need to be on the same page (as in a printed book), because there is a way to go to the note and back to the text (as on the physical book). But linenotes are different. The reference is on the note, but not on the body. The same line can have many linenotes. And the same word or passage can be referenced in more than one apparatus simultaneously. Linenotes work on a page model, because all relevant information is given at a glance. Looking at a page, one knows which words of text passages have relevant information on the apparatus(es). Using the model of the infinite text, there are some issues, unless one reconstructs the page model on a screen model (I mean, that each portion of body text displayed in the screen has also the apparatus(es) included on that same screen). These issues are: which words or text passages have additional information, how to distinguish between references to different apparatuses and how to access to each of these different apparatuses. Maybe marking the text with different features might be a way to distinguish them (colors, underline or a mixture of both). And enabling contextual information is the way to workaround these issues. But I wonder how this is really helpful in practice. Sorry, but I'm afraid I'm a bit skeptical about this. Probably I'm wrong, but I think it will take some time before having an ePub file containing the electronic version of a critical edition. I think you misunderstand. I'm absolutely not interested in epub. I'm not arguing against printed output per se (or electronic representations of printed output such as pdf). But it has severe limitations that we need to transcend. I take as an example the text that I'm currently re-reading, Ovid's Metamorphoses in the new edition by R. Tarrant, published in 2004. There are more than 400 complete medieval manuscripts of this text. As things stand now, with a printed edition, no editor can investigate all of them. No editor can record in his apparatus the readings of all the manuscripts he has consulted. No editor can record all the data of the secondary transmission (quotations, allusions, translations etc.) But Tarrant has certainly much more information available than he can include in
Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
On 20/07/12 22:41, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 20-7-2012 20:21, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
[...]
And to explain that a bit: it's not merely ugly. If all you want is
the printed book, you don't care about the ugliness and simply code this
way to get the desired output. However, we are in the 21st century. We
should be beyond the point where a critical edition is the printed text,
we should think of the typeset result as just one way of representing
the logical structure of the edition. With a syntax as the one Wolfgang
shows above, it is difficult for most parsers to understand what is
meant. Which means most ways of representing such a structure will fail
because it's not a consistent logical construct. And yes, as Pablo
pointed out, TEI itself hasn't reached a clear conclusion on such
points, and they are specialists who have been working on these problems
for quite a while...
In xml one could do
note tag=bla range=yessome text/note . note tag=bla/
i.e. use an empty element to indicate a matching end.
Hans,
thanks for your reply.
TEI would propose something like this for a just invented example (not
100% sure TEI encoding right, but I think it is [a cheat sheet on
critical apparatuses can be found at
http://marjorie.burghart.online.fr/?q=en/content/tei-critical-apparatus-cheatsheet]):
pEntia non sunt multiplicanda
app
lempraeter necessitatem/lem
rdg wit=#Hsine necessitate/lem
/app
/p
Which can be typeset with ConTeXt:
\mainlanguage[la]
\definelinenote[linenote]
\starttext
\startlinenumbering
Entia non sunt multiplicanda \startlinenote[one]{praeter necessitatem]
sine necessitate H} praeter necessitatem \stoplinenote[one].
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext
If I'm not wrong, I'm afraid there might be a bug here, since there is
no space between «multiplicanda» and «praeter» in the body.
I don't know how ConTeXt parses XML directly, but I think unless a
counter (or an unique ID) is entered, problems might arise to
distinguish between different critical annotations. (Sorry if that was
obvious.)
BTW, how about the option to only display the number from line on the
first linenote if many linenotes coming from the same line? I only want
to know whether this feature could be considered for inclusion in
ConTeXt in the future.
Many thanks for your help,
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Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
On 20/07/12 20:21, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: [...] And to explain that a bit: it's not merely ugly. If all you want is the printed book, you don't care about the ugliness and simply code this way to get the desired output. However, we are in the 21st century. We should be beyond the point where a critical edition is the printed text, we should think of the typeset result as just one way of representing the logical structure of the edition. With a syntax as the one Wolfgang shows above, it is difficult for most parsers to understand what is meant. Which means most ways of representing such a structure will fail because it's not a consistent logical construct. And yes, as Pablo pointed out, TEI itself hasn't reached a clear conclusion on such points, and they are specialists who have been working on these problems for quite a while... Thomas, many thanks for your reply. You are the real expert on this topic. I don't really know why there are so many people from TEI working on textual variants, but my guess is that this might be also related to the different needs each of them might face for each kind of texts. Probably the needs to critically edit an ancient Greek or Latin author might differ with the ones for an early modern (or even contemporary) English or German author. There is another issue that I would like to discuss. My question is what changes in a critical edition with no page model. I don't mean that critical editions need to be printed (it isn't a paper-based model), but I'm not so sure they can be properly represented without a page model. So, if I'm not wrong, it isn't only a question of data representation, but it is related to the logic of the text structure itself. Some have characterized the electronic text as infinite, in opposition to a page-based text that by definition finite. XML is a good example of a human-readable text, but this human-readability is relevant because of a prior machine-readability. XML is meaningful and useful for non-coders as source code to generate a human-understandable representation of text. Footnotes can be displayed not using a page model, because reference is on both the body and the note texts. A hyperlink is the right way to link each other. So, an infinite text is not a problem. The footnote doesn't need to be on the same page (as in a printed book), because there is a way to go to the note and back to the text (as on the physical book). But linenotes are different. The reference is on the note, but not on the body. The same line can have many linenotes. And the same word or passage can be referenced in more than one apparatus simultaneously. Linenotes work on a page model, because all relevant information is given at a glance. Looking at a page, one knows which words of text passages have relevant information on the apparatus(es). Using the model of the infinite text, there are some issues, unless one reconstructs the page model on a screen model (I mean, that each portion of body text displayed in the screen has also the apparatus(es) included on that same screen). These issues are: which words or text passages have additional information, how to distinguish between references to different apparatuses and how to access to each of these different apparatuses. Maybe marking the text with different features might be a way to distinguish them (colors, underline or a mixture of both). And enabling contextual information is the way to workaround these issues. But I wonder how this is really helpful in practice. Sorry, but I'm afraid I'm a bit skeptical about this. Probably I'm wrong, but I think it will take some time before having an ePub file containing the electronic version of a critical edition. Just in case it might help, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
Just a few comments on this helpful mail: On 07/19/2012 12:57 PM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote: I'm not a classical philologist, but the way ConTeXt works is much clearer than ledmac to me (although I have only tested ledmac for a couple of days). I haven't looked at ledmac too closely, and of course I'm a huge fan of ConTeXt; nevertheless, we shouldn't promise too much: for the time being, ledmac provides a pretty good working environment which you can just use; ConTeXt offers a much better overall syntax and programming interface, but right now, it's more of a DIY experience when it comes to critical editions. There is no ready drop-in replacement for ledmac But there are two features from ledmac that aren't available in ConTeXt (or at least I don't know how to achieve them): -ConTeXt numbers all linenotes that come from the same line and there seems to be no way to limit number in the apparatus to only the first linenote from that line. This is something that can be fixed, I assume. The best you could do: make a small example file, explain what output you expect and what you get, and ask Hans nicely if he can implement this. Chances are he'll reply on a rainy Sunday afternoon, maybe, and you'll have to give him a couple of weeks and gently remind him. He (or the Wolfgang) will be willing and helpful, but of course time is a finite resource. So: the better and clearer and shorter your example, the more polite your request, the better your chances to see this implemented. -From the way linenotes are implemented, linenotes mark a point in the body text, but not a text passage, so it seems to be impossible to refer to a passage that is typeset in different lines (such as 2-3). This may be a bit more difficult, because it involves thinking about proper input syntax. How do you want to mark this passage? If you can come up with clean and unequivocal syntax and demonstrate it in an example, your chances aren't too bad. However, I mean really clean syntax, not just a kludge to give you the output you want. Ideally, have a look at the TEI syntax. IMO, this is the best way to go; I don't think TeX is a good input format for critical editions. If you can come up with a good mapping TEI -- ConTeXt -- output, that would facilitate things. Just my personal opinions; I'm not a spokesperson for ConTeXt in any way! All best Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
On 20-7-2012 17:41, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
This may be a bit more difficult, because it involves thinking about
proper input syntax. How do you want to mark this passage? If you can
come up with clean and unequivocal syntax and demonstrate it in an
example, your chances aren't too bad. However, I mean really clean
syntax, not just a kludge to give you the output you want. Ideally, have
a look at the TEI syntax. IMO, this is the best way to go; I don't think
TeX is a good input format for critical editions. If you can come up
with a good mapping TEI -- ConTeXt -- output, that would facilitate
things.
Actually ranges have always been supported (as we needed in the previous
century already for referring to passages in texts where students had to
comment on):
\definelinenote[linenote] % was commented but will be predefined
\starttext
\setuplinenumbering[distance=2em]
\setuplinenote [linenote]
[distance=2em,rule=off,frame=on,framecolor=darkred]
\startlinenumbering
test test test \dorecurse{40}{test }.
\linenote {A simple linenote does not have a number range}
\startlinenote [one] {A linenote environment has a range that covers the
first line of an environment up to the last.}
\dorecurse{40}{test }.
\stoplinenote [one]
\linenote {A simple linenote does not have a number range}
\dorecurse{30}{test }\removeunwantedspaces.
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext
but as you mention the interface is a bit problematic as start/stop is
not nice when being nested:
\let\fromlinenote\startlinenote
\let\tolinenote \stoplinenote
\startlinenumbering
test test test \dorecurse{40}{test }.
\linenote {A simple linenote does not have a number range}
\fromlinenote [two] {A linenote environment has a range that covers the
first line of an environment up to the last.}
\dorecurse{40}{test }.
\fromlinenote [three]{However, nesting can be mixed.}\dorecurse{40}{test }.
\tolinenote [two]
\dorecurse{40}{test }.
\tolinenote [three]
\linenote {A simple linenote does not have a number range}
\dorecurse{30}{test }\removeunwantedspaces.
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext
Maybe I should add those commands.
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
On 07/20/2012 06:45 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: Actually ranges have always been supported (as we needed in the previous century already for referring to passages in texts where students had to comment on): Yes, that's something I forgot in my mail: ask on the list, and chances are that it has already been implemented :-) but as you mention the interface is a bit problematic as start/stop is not nice when being nested: Yes, the syntax seems a bit illogical. But there may be no really clean way - maybe we can call them anchors or something? All best Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
I'm trying to get straight in my head what critical-edition-related
commands are already implemented in ConTeXt.
Implemented:
(a) footnotes on specific lines, specified inline: \linenote{note text}
(b) ditto on line ranges: \startlinenote[tag]{note text} ... \stoplinenote[tag]
(c) tag a line and refer to it later in text: \someline[tag]; refer
back with \inline[tag] or \inlinerange[tag] (the former has a spurious
space before the number). The low-level backreferences are
\in[lr:b:tag] and \in[lr:e:tag]; see page-lin.mkiv
(d) ditto for line ranges: \startlines[tag] ... \stoplines[tag]; refer
to these with \inlinerange[tag].
Not implemented AFAIK:
(e) tag a line, but write the linenote on it later; at the end of the
stanza or the quotation, say. Nice to keep notes from overpowering the
text in the source code.).
(f) ditto for line ranges
This would have the added advantage that you could place tags in the
text according to its contents, and then use those tags for both
footnotes and textual references.
Hans wrote:
but as you mention the interface is a bit problematic as start/stop is not
nice when being nested
Do you mean it doesn't look nice, or is it so that nesting or
interleaving \startlinenote[tag] ... \stoplinenote[tag] environments
causes problems because the commands start with \start... and
\stop...?
If looks are the only problem, I think that is a problem with
interleaving environments; no matter whether you call them
\startlinenote...\stoplinenote, or \fromlinenote...\tolinenote. And in
that case, I think consistently naming environment commands
\start...\stop... is a very valuable thing, and should get priority.
Regards,
Sietse
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Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
Am 20.07.2012 um 19:33 schrieb Sietse Brouwer: Hans wrote: but as you mention the interface is a bit problematic as start/stop is not nice when being nested Do you mean it doesn't look nice, or is it so that nesting or interleaving \startlinenote[tag] ... \stoplinenote[tag] environments causes problems because the commands start with \start... and \stop...? If looks are the only problem, I think that is a problem with interleaving environments; no matter whether you call them \startlinenote...\stoplinenote, or \fromlinenote...\tolinenote. And in that case, I think consistently naming environment commands \start...\stop... is a very valuable thing, and should get priority. Hans speaks about something like this \startone … \starttwo … \stopone … \stopone where environment ranges overlap. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
On 20/07/12 17:41, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
Just a few comments on this helpful mail:
Thank you very much for your reply, Thomas.
On 07/19/2012 12:57 PM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote:
I'm not a classical philologist, but the way ConTeXt works is much
clearer than ledmac to me (although I have only tested ledmac for a
couple of days).
I haven't looked at ledmac too closely, and of course I'm a huge fan of
ConTeXt; nevertheless, we shouldn't promise too much: for the time
being, ledmac provides a pretty good working environment which you can
just use; ConTeXt offers a much better overall syntax and programming
interface, but right now, it's more of a DIY experience when it comes to
critical editions. There is no ready drop-in replacement for ledmac
I must admit that I didn't get ledmac to do some of the documented
tricks. I haven't tried much, but some code didn't work.
But there are two features from ledmac that aren't available in ConTeXt
(or at least I don't know how to achieve them):
-ConTeXt numbers all linenotes that come from the same line and there
seems to be no way to limit number in the apparatus to only the first
linenote from that line.
This is something that can be fixed, I assume. The best you could do:
make a small example file, explain what output you expect and what you
get, and ask Hans nicely if he can implement this. Chances are he'll
reply on a rainy Sunday afternoon, maybe, and you'll have to give him
a couple of weeks and gently remind him. He (or the Wolfgang) will be
willing and helpful, but of course time is a finite resource. So: the
better and clearer and shorter your example, the more polite your
request, the better your chances to see this implemented.
My minimal example is this:
\definelinenote[lnote]
\setuplinenote[lnote][rule=off,paragraph=yes,numbercommand=,inbetween=\qquad]
\setupdescriptions[lnote][display=yes,location=serried,distance=1em]
\starttext
\startlinenumbering
This\lnote{That} is\lnote{was} imposible\lnote{possible}.
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext
which gives as result something like:
1 This 1 was 1 impossible
And the output I would like to have is:
1 This was impossible
I mean, what it would be extremely useful to have is an option to avoid
that the line number and the space after (distance from
\setupdescriptions) could be disabled after the first linenote from that
same line.
-From the way linenotes are implemented, linenotes mark a point in the
body text, but not a text passage, so it seems to be impossible to refer
to a passage that is typeset in different lines (such as 2-3).
This may be a bit more difficult, because it involves thinking about
proper input syntax. How do you want to mark this passage? If you can
come up with clean and unequivocal syntax and demonstrate it in an
example, your chances aren't too bad. However, I mean really clean
syntax, not just a kludge to give you the output you want. Ideally, have
a look at the TEI syntax. IMO, this is the best way to go; I don't think
TeX is a good input format for critical editions. If you can come up
with a good mapping TEI -- ConTeXt -- output, that would facilitate
things.
A clear syntax might be not so easy not being a philologist at all
(classical or not). As far as I understand, ledmac syntax should be left
aside. There was a syntax proposal from Idris Hamid for this at section
4.2 http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2007/share/idris/cr-apparatus.pdf.
Isn't this syntax right?
But after just consulting the TEI Guidelines on critical apparatus, I
must admit that I would need more experience typesetting critical
editions to provide a meaningful example. Consider that even TEI has a
working group on critical apparatus to improve the TEI syntax and
possibilities.
Just my personal opinions; I'm not a spokesperson for ConTeXt in any way!
I know these are your personal opinions.
Sorry for not being able to provide a second example and many thanks for
your help,
Pablo
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On 07/20/2012 08:01 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Hans speaks about something like this \startone … \starttwo … \stopone … \stopone where environment ranges overlap. And to explain that a bit: it's not merely ugly. If all you want is the printed book, you don't care about the ugliness and simply code this way to get the desired output. However, we are in the 21st century. We should be beyond the point where a critical edition is the printed text, we should think of the typeset result as just one way of representing the logical structure of the edition. With a syntax as the one Wolfgang shows above, it is difficult for most parsers to understand what is meant. Which means most ways of representing such a structure will fail because it's not a consistent logical construct. And yes, as Pablo pointed out, TEI itself hasn't reached a clear conclusion on such points, and they are specialists who have been working on these problems for quite a while... Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
On 20-7-2012 20:21, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On 07/20/2012 08:01 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Hans speaks about something like this \startone … \starttwo … \stopone … \stopone where environment ranges overlap. And to explain that a bit: it's not merely ugly. If all you want is the printed book, you don't care about the ugliness and simply code this way to get the desired output. However, we are in the 21st century. We should be beyond the point where a critical edition is the printed text, we should think of the typeset result as just one way of representing the logical structure of the edition. With a syntax as the one Wolfgang shows above, it is difficult for most parsers to understand what is meant. Which means most ways of representing such a structure will fail because it's not a consistent logical construct. And yes, as Pablo pointed out, TEI itself hasn't reached a clear conclusion on such points, and they are specialists who have been working on these problems for quite a while... In xml one could do note tag=bla range=yessome text/note . note tag=bla/ i.e. use an empty element to indicate a matching end. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
Hi Pablo..Thanks for your quick response. The truth is that I am very, very newbie working with ConTeXt (in fact I know only a few months) but I think the possibilities are extraordinary for all kinds of documents.The issue of critical issues is fairly well resolved in LaTeX with ledmac, but I think ConTeXt can have better choices (or at least easier).Thanks again. I'll try to CervanTeX.El 18/07/12, Pablo Rodríguez oi...@web.de escribió:On 18/07/12 12:09, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: On 7/18/12 10:10 AM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote: Hey. First, thanks to Andreas for his solution to the bibliographies. Second, a question: is there a module to produce critical editions with ConTeXt? In critical editions usually have several groups of footnotes and reference is usually made by line number. With LaTeX can be done using ledmac, but perhaps would have to customize the footnotes with ConTeXt. Thank you. No, there isn't a single module to do this. Most of the functionality is there (search for linenotes in the mailing list and look at the TEI xml example on the wiki), but you will still have to write your own style/module.Hi Manuel,As Thomas replied, linenotes is your friend. TEI XML(http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TEI_xml) shows the features of criticaledition typesetting, but you have to learn XML, TEI, ConTeXt and howConTeXt deals directly with XML files . This is a much better way towork with documents, but you'll need to learn much more.I provide here a minimal example on how ConTeXt works with linenotes:\definelinenote[lnote]\setuplinenote[lnote][rule=off,paragraph=yes,numbercommand=,inbetween=\qquad]\setupdescriptions[lnote][display=yes,location=serried,distance=1em]\starttext\startlinenumberingEn un lugar\lnote{lugar: place} de la Mancha, de cuyonombre\lnote{nombre: name} no quiero\lnote{querer: want}acordarme\lnote{acordarse: remember}.\stoplinenumbering\stoptextI'm not a classical philologist, but the way ConTeXt works is muchclearer than ledmac to me (although I have only tested ledmac for acouple of days).But there are two features from ledmac that aren't available in ConTeXt(or at least I don't know how to achieve them):-ConTeXt numbers all linenotes that come from the same line and thereseems to be no way to limit number in the apparatus to only the firstlinenote from that line.-From the way linenotes are implemented, linenotes mark a point in thebody text, but not a text passage, so it seems to be impossible to referto a passage that is typeset in different lines (such as 2-3).Apart from these two issues and since the other issues involved inlinenotes are known to the ones in this mailing list, it might be easierthat you start a thread at the Spanish TeX mailing list (I'm alsosubscribed to that list). I'm only suggesting this, since it might beeasier for you, the topic is known to the members from this list and itmay be interesting for the members from ES-TEX (I apologize if I'm wrong).I hope this might help,Pablo-- http://www.ousia.tk___If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-contextwebpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.netarchive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/wiki : http://contextgarden.net___-- Manuel González Suárez
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[NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
Hey. First, thanks to Andreas for his solution to the bibliographies. Second, a question: is there a module to produce critical editions with ConTeXt? In critical editions usually have several groups of footnotes and reference is usually made by line number. With LaTeX can be done using ledmac, but perhaps would have to customize the footnotes with ConTeXt. Thank you. critical editions-- Manuel González Suárez ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
On 7/18/12 10:10 AM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote: Hey. First, thanks to Andreas for his solution to the bibliographies. Second, a question: is there a module to produce critical editions with ConTeXt? In critical editions usually have several groups of footnotes and reference is usually made by line number. With LaTeX can be done using ledmac, but perhaps would have to customize the footnotes with ConTeXt. Thank you. critical editions No, there isn't a single module to do this. Most of the functionality is there (search for linenotes in the mailing list and look at the TEI xml example on the wiki), but you will still have to write your own style/module. Best wishes Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Critical editions with ConTeXt
On 18/07/12 12:09, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
On 7/18/12 10:10 AM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote:
Hey.
First, thanks to Andreas for his solution to the bibliographies.
Second, a question: is there a module to produce critical editions with
ConTeXt? In critical editions usually have several groups of footnotes
and reference is usually made by line number. With LaTeX can be done
using ledmac, but perhaps would have to customize the footnotes with
ConTeXt.
Thank you.
No, there isn't a single module to do this. Most of the functionality is
there (search for linenotes in the mailing list and look at the TEI
xml example on the wiki), but you will still have to write your own
style/module.
Hi Manuel,
As Thomas replied, linenotes is your friend. TEI XML
(http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TEI_xml) shows the features of critical
edition typesetting, but you have to learn XML, TEI, ConTeXt and how
ConTeXt deals directly with XML files . This is a much better way to
work with documents, but you'll need to learn much more.
I provide here a minimal example on how ConTeXt works with linenotes:
\definelinenote[lnote]
\setuplinenote[lnote][rule=off,paragraph=yes,numbercommand=,inbetween=\qquad]
\setupdescriptions[lnote][display=yes,location=serried,distance=1em]
\starttext
\startlinenumbering
En un lugar\lnote{lugar: place} de la Mancha, de cuyo
nombre\lnote{nombre: name} no quiero\lnote{querer: want}
acordarme\lnote{acordarse: remember}.
\stoplinenumbering
\stoptext
I'm not a classical philologist, but the way ConTeXt works is much
clearer than ledmac to me (although I have only tested ledmac for a
couple of days).
But there are two features from ledmac that aren't available in ConTeXt
(or at least I don't know how to achieve them):
-ConTeXt numbers all linenotes that come from the same line and there
seems to be no way to limit number in the apparatus to only the first
linenote from that line.
-From the way linenotes are implemented, linenotes mark a point in the
body text, but not a text passage, so it seems to be impossible to refer
to a passage that is typeset in different lines (such as 2-3).
Apart from these two issues and since the other issues involved in
linenotes are known to the ones in this mailing list, it might be easier
that you start a thread at the Spanish TeX mailing list (I'm also
subscribed to that list). I'm only suggesting this, since it might be
easier for you, the topic is known to the members from this list and it
may be interesting for the members from ES-TEX (I apologize if I'm wrong).
I hope this might help,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] critical editions in context / arabtex
Thomas A.Schmitz wrote: Thanks Hans, but it's primarily edmac that I'm interested in, not arabtex. Could the edmac macros just be part of a Context module? not so much edmac, but similar functionality; as idris suggests: just provide a request for functionality + examples; think about what you want in context (or your docs) and not so much of what edmac does. (thinsg like configurable footnotes are already there) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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A: concept B,C typographical A: computational B, euphoric C 4 manual A: handbook B (as in l. 1) On Sep 23, 2003, at 5:46 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: At 09:12 23/09/2003 -0600, you wrote: Hi Thomas, Thomas A.Schmitz wrote: In March/April 2002, Hans and Idris had an interesting exchange about the topic critical editions in context here in ntg-context; the main question was whether the functionality of edmac could be implemented in context. I'd be curious to know whether anything came out of it, I couldn't find any follow-up. Hans has already done some preliminary work in this direction. I could not completely test it because the implementations used hooks from e-TeX. Now that eOmega/Aleph is available I will be able to be a bit more proactive in testing/suggesting things. I don't remember if Hans added the xperimental stuff for critical editions to the latest beta. But I'm going to have to start testing this stuff soon, because the next issue of our journal is supposed to have a couple of small Arabic critical editions in it. if i'm right, you have somewhere: \input page-nnt \input core-nnt \input core-lnt (multiple footnote classes, arbitrary footnote placement, line refs in footnotes and so) Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -- - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:30:38 +0100, Thomas A.Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Hans, but it's primarily edmac that I'm interested in, not arabtex. Could the edmac macros just be part of a Context module? I actually considered that. During my own pre-ConTeXt work I dived deep into the EDMAC code and made changes so that I could do real 100% right-to-left critical editions. EDMAC has its own OTR, however, which makes it difficult to merely plug it in to ConTeXt or even LaTeX (though there has been a recent port to LaTeX). As soon as I finish my present book project this month (I'm really behind-) I'll be working on the critical edition business as well (I have to finish a critical edition for Springer Verlag (formerly Kluwer) this spring); maybe we can share notes and bother Hans together;-) Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:30:38 +0100, Thomas A.Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Hans, but it's primarily edmac that I'm interested in, not arabtex. Could the edmac macros just be part of a Context module? I actually considered that. During my own pre-ConTeXt work I dived deep into the EDMAC code and made changes so that I could do real 100% right-to-left critical editions. EDMAC has its own OTR, however, which makes it difficult to merely plug it in to ConTeXt or even LaTeX (though there has been a recent port to LaTeX). As soon as I finish my present book project this month (I'm really behind-) I'll be working on the critical edition business as well (I have to finish a critical edition for Springer Verlag (formerly Kluwer) this spring); maybe we can share notes and bother Hans together;-) sounds ok to me; also keep in mind that much of what you want is already there! Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] critical editions in context / arabtex
Thomas A.Schmitz wrote: OK, I feel guilty resurrecting this stale thread, but I can't resist asking again. I found this in m-arabtex.tex: %\pushmacro\edmacloaded \let \edmacloaded \undefined and later %\popmacro\edmacloaded Both lines are commented out, so I'm still wondering if i talked with Klaus Lagally at eurotex and he will make arabtex a bit more context friendly: a few more hooks, context aware loading, etc he will also look into the recent problems (may hav eto do with loading heberw (no longer needed, part of arabtex kernel) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] critical editions in context
OK, I feel guilty resurrecting this stale thread, but I can't resist asking again. I found this in m-arabtex.tex: %\pushmacro\edmacloaded \let \edmacloaded \undefined and later %\popmacro\edmacloaded Both lines are commented out, so I'm still wondering if The absolute basics that are needed for critical editions are: 1. Capability to have footnotes with reference to line-number instead of counter. These notes must not end with a newline character (see ASCII-art at end of post), but must provide the possibility to have several on one line. These notes must not flow, they have to stay on the same page as the reference. Horizontal tolerance can be set to very sloppy to achieve this 2. Must be possible to apply a format like \bf vel. sim. to the reference. 3. Within these notes, it should be possible to refer to other line numbers. 4. Nice, but not quite essential: possibility to have notes in more than one column. 5. Not absolutely basic, but important for serious work: have more than one set of notes referring to the same passage. Is this possible in ConTeXt out of the box? If not, I'd be willing to roll up my sleeves and help, but would like to know which would be a good starting point. I looked at core-ltn.tex. I'm not sure if core-nnt and page-nnt refer to core-not and page-not; I couldn't find anything appropriate in these files. Best Thomas Example what should be possible: 1 This manual is about ConTEXt, a system for typesetting documents. 2 Central element in this name is the word TEX because the typographical 3 programming language TEX is the base for ConTEXt. People who are used 4 to TEX will probably identify this manual as a TEX document. They recognise 5 the use of \. One may also notice that the way pararaphs are broken into lines 6 is often better than in the avarage typesetting system. 1 manual A: handbook B 2 name A: concept B,C typographical A: computational B, euphoric C 4 manual A: handbook B (as in l. 1) On Sep 23, 2003, at 5:46 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: At 09:12 23/09/2003 -0600, you wrote: Hi Thomas, Thomas A.Schmitz wrote: In March/April 2002, Hans and Idris had an interesting exchange about the topic critical editions in context here in ntg-context; the main question was whether the functionality of edmac could be implemented in context. I'd be curious to know whether anything came out of it, I couldn't find any follow-up. Hans has already done some preliminary work in this direction. I could not completely test it because the implementations used hooks from e-TeX. Now that eOmega/Aleph is available I will be able to be a bit more proactive in testing/suggesting things. I don't remember if Hans added the xperimental stuff for critical editions to the latest beta. But I'm going to have to start testing this stuff soon, because the next issue of our journal is supposed to have a couple of small Arabic critical editions in it. if i'm right, you have somewhere: \input page-nnt \input core-nnt \input core-lnt (multiple footnote classes, arbitrary footnote placement, line refs in footnotes and so) Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] critical editions in context
Sorry, hit the send button by accident. OK, I feel guilty resurrecting this stale thread, but I can't resist asking again. I found this in m-arabtex.tex: %\pushmacro\edmacloaded \let \edmacloaded \undefined and later %\popmacro\edmacloaded Both lines are commented out, so I'm still wondering if edmac will work with ConTeXt out of the box. The absolute basics that are needed for critical editions are: 1. Capability to have footnotes with reference to line-number instead of counter. These notes must not end with a newline character (see ASCII-art at end of post), but must provide the possibility to have several on one line. These notes must not flow, they have to stay on the same page as the reference. Horizontal tolerance can be set to very sloppy to achieve this 2. Must be possible to apply a format like \bf vel. sim. to the reference. 3. Within these notes, it should be possible to refer to other line numbers. 4. Nice, but not quite essential: possibility to have notes in more than one column. 5. Not absolutely basic, but important for serious work: have more than one set of notes referring to the same passage. Is this possible in ConTeXt out of the box? If not, I'd be willing to roll up my sleeves and help, but would like to know which would be a good starting point. I looked at core-ltn.tex. I'm not sure if core-nnt and page-nnt refer to core-not and page-not; I couldn't find anything appropriate in these files. Best Thomas Example what should be possible: 1 This manual is about ConTEXt, a system for typesetting documents. 2 Central element in this name is the word TEX because the typographical 3 programming language TEX is the base for ConTEXt. People who are used 4 to TEX will probably identify this manual as a TEX document. They recognise 5 the use of \. One may also notice that the way pararaphs are broken into lines 6 is often better than in the avarage typesetting system. 1 manual A: handbook B 2 name A: concept B,C typographical A: computational B, euphoric C 4 manual A: handbook B (as in l. 1) On Sep 23, 2003, at 5:46 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: At 09:12 23/09/2003 -0600, you wrote: Hi Thomas, Thomas A.Schmitz wrote: In March/April 2002, Hans and Idris had an interesting exchange about the topic critical editions in context here in ntg-context; the main question was whether the functionality of edmac could be implemented in context. I'd be curious to know whether anything came out of it, I couldn't find any follow-up. Hans has already done some preliminary work in this direction. I could not completely test it because the implementations used hooks from e-TeX. Now that eOmega/Aleph is available I will be able to be a bit more proactive in testing/suggesting things. I don't remember if Hans added the xperimental stuff for critical editions to the latest beta. But I'm going to have to start testing this stuff soon, because the next issue of our journal is supposed to have a couple of small Arabic critical editions in it. if i'm right, you have somewhere: \input page-nnt \input core-nnt \input core-lnt (multiple footnote classes, arbitrary footnote placement, line refs in footnotes and so) Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] critical editions in context
Sorry if this is a double post; I sent this message on Friday, and I think it somehow got lost. In March/April 2002, Hans and Idris had an interesting exchange about the topic critical editions in context here in ntg-context; the main question was whether the functionality of edmac could be implemented in context. I'd be curious to know whether anything came out of it, I couldn't find any follow-up. Best Thomas ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] critical editions in context
Hi Thomas, Thomas A.Schmitz wrote: In March/April 2002, Hans and Idris had an interesting exchange about the topic critical editions in context here in ntg-context; the main question was whether the functionality of edmac could be implemented in context. I'd be curious to know whether anything came out of it, I couldn't find any follow-up. Hans has already done some preliminary work in this direction. I could not completely test it because the implementations used hooks from e-TeX. Now that eOmega/Aleph is available I will be able to be a bit more proactive in testing/suggesting things. I don't remember if Hans added the xperimental stuff for critical editions to the latest beta. But I'm going to have to start testing this stuff soon, because the next issue of our journal is supposed to have a couple of small Arabic critical editions in it. Best Idris ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
