Re: [NTG-context] Footnotes in columns

2021-08-13 Thread Hans Hagen via ntg-context

On 8/13/2021 8:54 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:




Am 13.08.2021 um 08:43 schrieb Hans Hagen :

On 8/13/2021 12:32 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:

Am 13.08.2021 um 00:03 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context :

On 8/12/2021 10:01 PM, Jano Kula via ntg-context wrote:

Hello Hraban!
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:24 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):
- they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of
the text area)
- they often get overwritten by main text
Is there a workaround?
I had to switch back to mkiv. It's on Hans' agenda, but with lots of 
interferencies there will be no quick fix.



good old mkiv ... so it serves a purpose! i would be more worried when you went 
back to mkii

;D
Unfortunately I can’t go back to MkIV with the CG journal since some articles 
use LMTX features.
I’ll probably find some ugly hack to work around the issues...

A lot has to do with defaults. We have several multicolumn mechanisms an cnotes 
themselves can also come in columns and it's nto easy to have a setup that 
suits them all, so each mechanism has additional settings. I'm still not sure 
how to deal with this because there are conflicting demands. So, one ends up in 
'fix this setup' 'break that setup' situations (basically it means that we need 
to setup things on an extra axis: the kind of otr used). It's a bit the price 
we pay for configurability.


Would it be viable to use columnset areas for footnotes? Then the user could 
configure themselves where they should go, how many columns they should span 
etc.
the problem with notes is that the pagebreak depends on them so it is 
impossible to predict sizes .. it works with ratios and such in 
basically a one column operation mode (because that is what tex has)


text text text
text text text
text text text
text text text

note
note
note

tex has to split page and notes if needed and take optional distance 
into account


the lua(meta)tex engine already privides a bit more control but 
solutions always have to operate with margins


now, if users would accept limitations much is possible but in the end 
there always a 'i want this note to end up here' demand


the same with figures: if they may float we can do a good job, but 
designers / publishers (unaware of reliable floating) nearly always 
demand 'it should end up here' which then conflicts with automated 
typesetting because 'here' means that one also manually messes with the 
rest


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Footnotes in columns

2021-08-13 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context


> Am 13.08.2021 um 08:43 schrieb Hans Hagen :
> 
> On 8/13/2021 12:32 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
>>> Am 13.08.2021 um 00:03 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> On 8/12/2021 10:01 PM, Jano Kula via ntg-context wrote:
 Hello Hraban!
 On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:24 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context 
 mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):
- they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of
the text area)
- they often get overwritten by main text
Is there a workaround?
 I had to switch back to mkiv. It's on Hans' agenda, but with lots of 
 interferencies there will be no quick fix.
 
>>> 
>>> good old mkiv ... so it serves a purpose! i would be more worried when you 
>>> went back to mkii
>> ;D
>> Unfortunately I can’t go back to MkIV with the CG journal since some 
>> articles use LMTX features.
>> I’ll probably find some ugly hack to work around the issues...
> A lot has to do with defaults. We have several multicolumn mechanisms an 
> cnotes themselves can also come in columns and it's nto easy to have a setup 
> that suits them all, so each mechanism has additional settings. I'm still not 
> sure how to deal with this because there are conflicting demands. So, one 
> ends up in 'fix this setup' 'break that setup' situations (basically it means 
> that we need to setup things on an extra axis: the kind of otr used). It's a 
> bit the price we pay for configurability.

Would it be viable to use columnset areas for footnotes? Then the user could 
configure themselves where they should go, how many columns they should span 
etc.

Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Footnotes in columns

2021-08-13 Thread Hans Hagen via ntg-context

On 8/13/2021 12:32 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:



Am 13.08.2021 um 00:03 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context :

On 8/12/2021 10:01 PM, Jano Kula via ntg-context wrote:

Hello Hraban!
On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:24 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):
- they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of
the text area)
- they often get overwritten by main text
Is there a workaround?
I had to switch back to mkiv. It's on Hans' agenda, but with lots of 
interferencies there will be no quick fix.



good old mkiv ... so it serves a purpose! i would be more worried when you went 
back to mkii


;D
Unfortunately I can’t go back to MkIV with the CG journal since some articles 
use LMTX features.

I’ll probably find some ugly hack to work around the issues...
A lot has to do with defaults. We have several multicolumn mechanisms an 
cnotes themselves can also come in columns and it's nto easy to have a 
setup that suits them all, so each mechanism has additional settings. 
I'm still not sure how to deal with this because there are conflicting 
demands. So, one ends up in 'fix this setup' 'break that setup' 
situations (basically it means that we need to setup things on an extra 
axis: the kind of otr used). It's a bit the price we pay for 
configurability.


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Footnotes in columns

2021-08-12 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context

> Am 13.08.2021 um 00:03 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context 
> :
> 
> On 8/12/2021 10:01 PM, Jano Kula via ntg-context wrote:
>> Hello Hraban!
>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:24 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context 
>> mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
>>Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):
>>- they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of
>>the text area)
>>- they often get overwritten by main text
>>Is there a workaround?
>> I had to switch back to mkiv. It's on Hans' agenda, but with lots of 
>> interferencies there will be no quick fix.
>> 
> 
> good old mkiv ... so it serves a purpose! i would be more worried when you 
> went back to mkii

;D
Unfortunately I can’t go back to MkIV with the CG journal since some articles 
use LMTX features.

I’ll probably find some ugly hack to work around the issues...


>> Coffee break at the meeting will be the right place to ask for the higher 
>> priority.
> well, for sure, it helps to get my attention when i meet you over coffee (i 
> know you look forward to real coffee)
> 
> i will pick up on footnotes once some other long pending priorities 
> (annoyances actually) are met (which i will explain at the evening beer break 
> next month)

=(

Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Footnotes in columns

2021-08-12 Thread Hans Hagen via ntg-context

On 8/12/2021 10:01 PM, Jano Kula via ntg-context wrote:

Hello Hraban!

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:24 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context 
mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:


Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):

- they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of
the text area)

- they often get overwritten by main text

Is there a workaround?


I had to switch back to mkiv. It's on Hans' agenda, but with lots of 
interferencies there will be no quick fix.




good old mkiv ... so it serves a purpose! i would be more worried when 
you went back to mkii


Coffee break at the meeting will be the right place to ask for the 
higher priority.
well, for sure, it helps to get my attention when i meet you over coffee 
(i know you look forward to real coffee)


i will pick up on footnotes once some other long pending priorities 
(annoyances actually) are met (which i will explain at the evening beer 
break next month)


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Footnotes in columns

2021-08-12 Thread Jano Kula via ntg-context
Hello Hraban!

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:24 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

> Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):
>
> - they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of the
> text area)
>
> - they often get overwritten by main text
>
> Is there a workaround?
>

I had to switch back to mkiv. It's on Hans' agenda, but with lots of
interferencies there will be no quick fix.

Coffee break at the meeting will be the right place to ask for the higher
priority.

Jano
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Re: [NTG-context] Footnotes in columns

2021-08-12 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):

- they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of the text 
area)

- they often get overwritten by main text

Is there a workaround?

Hraban


> Am 06.03.2021 um 19:18 schrieb Jano Kula :
> 
> Hello Hans,
> 
> with fresh LMTX footnotes are still missing in \startcolumns as Clyde 
> reported:
> 
> \starttext
> \startcolumns
> \input knuth\footnote{D. E. Knuth}
> \stopcolumns
> \stoptext
> 
> Tried columnsets. Footnotes are overlapping text and some text at the column 
> break disappeared:
> 
> \starttext
> \startcolumnset
> \dorecurse{10}{\input knuth\footnote{D. E. Knuth}\ }
> \stopcolumnset
> \stoptext
> 
> We are running out of options :) Could you, please, have a look at it when 
> your metafun mode is over?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jano
> ConTeXt  ver: 2021.03.05 19:14 LMTX  fmt: 2021.3.6  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:05 PM Clyde Johnston  wrote:
> I can no longer print the footnotes when I using columns in LTMX.  If I 
> remove the \{start|stop}columns, it works fine.  This works on my old MKIV 
> 2018.07.02 14:39 version.
> 
>  
> 
> \setupcolumns[n=2,rule=off,balance=no]
> 
>  
> 
> \starttext
> 
>   \startcolumns
> 
>   \input ward\footnote{A small footnote here}
> 
>   \stopcolumns
> 
> \stoptext
> 
>  
> 
> Context Version: 2021.01.24 16:07
> 
>  
> 
> Clyde
>  


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Re: [NTG-context] Footnotes in columns

2021-03-06 Thread Jano Kula
Hello Hans,

with fresh LMTX footnotes are still missing in \startcolumns as Clyde
reported:

\starttext
\startcolumns
\input knuth\footnote{D. E. Knuth}
\stopcolumns
\stoptext

Tried columnsets. Footnotes are overlapping text and some text at the
column break disappeared:

\starttext
\startcolumnset
\dorecurse{10}{\input knuth\footnote{D. E. Knuth}\ }
\stopcolumnset
\stoptext

We are running out of options :) Could you, please, have a look at it when
your metafun mode is over?

Thanks,
Jano
ConTeXt  ver: 2021.03.05 19:14 LMTX  fmt: 2021.3.6





On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:05 PM Clyde Johnston  wrote:

> I can no longer print the footnotes when I using columns in LTMX.  If I
> remove the \{start|stop}columns, it works fine.  This works on my old MKIV
> 2018.07.02 14:39 version.
>
>
>
> \setupcolumns[n=2,rule=off,balance=no]
>
>
>
> \starttext
>
>   \startcolumns
>
>   \input ward\footnote{A small footnote here}
>
>   \stopcolumns
>
> \stoptext
>
>
>
> Context Version: 2021.01.24 16:07
>
>
>
> Clyde
>
>
>
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[NTG-context] Footnotes in columns

2021-01-25 Thread Clyde Johnston
I can no longer print the footnotes when I using columns in LTMX.  If I
remove the \{start|stop}columns, it works fine.  This works on my old MKIV
2018.07.02 14:39 version.

 

\setupcolumns[n=2,rule=off,balance=no]

 

\starttext

  \startcolumns

  \input ward\footnote{A small footnote here}

  \stopcolumns

\stoptext

 

Context Version: 2021.01.24 16:07

 

Clyde

 

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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes in columns not working

2019-07-22 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hi,

I cannot offer a proper fix, but I can testify that there are serious problems 
with footnotes in the latest betas.
The default subsystem for columns has been rewritten, but it still has some 
teething problems with regard to footnotes
and float placement.

While Hans is sorting out the problems, you can get back the old columns code 
with

  \loadmarkfile{page-mul}

somewhere in the setup section of your document.

Best wishes,
Taco


> On 18 Jul 2019, at 14:27, Charles Doherty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Hans,
> 
> I have been typesetting a Newsletter using ConTeXt since 2003. I have updated 
> the programme regularly and made adjustments to my template as needed.
> 
> Following the most recent update I have problems with footnotes in columns. 
> Depending on the number and length of the footnotes I have varied between 
> placing them at the end of each column or as a list at the end of each page 
> using:
> 
> \setupnote[footnote][location=columns]
> 
> or commenting out 
> 
> %\setupnote[footnote][location=columns] 
> 
> to get what I need. In the attached image I had commented out 
> %\setupnote[footnote][location=columns] expecting to get footnotes arranged 
> one beneath the other at the bottom of the page but I get them in two columns 
> and both run off the page.
> 
> Can you help on this?
> 
> I attach an .png of the result.
> 
> Thanks,
> Charlie
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Re: [NTG-context] FOOTNOTES IN COLUMNS

2013-06-01 Thread Pablo Rodríguez
On 31/05/13 19:35, Manuel González Suárez wrote:
 That is exactly the result I want to obtain. Can you send me the code?
 You can see my bad result (LuaTeX + MKIV)
 Thanks

Hi Manuel,

The standard behaviour, as you name it, seems to require that you update
ConTeXt.

I'm only guessing, but compiling your code:

\starttext
\startcolumns[n=3,rule=on]
\input knuth Manolo mine\footnote{\input knuth}
\stopcolumns
\stoptext

with ConTeXt standalone outputs a three column body with a no-column
footnote.

Just in case it helps,


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Re: [NTG-context] FOOTNOTES IN COLUMNS

2013-05-31 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 31.05.2013 um 00:51 schrieb MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ 
gonzalezsman...@uniovi.es:

 hello
 I do not know how I can make footnotes covering the entire bottom of the page 
 and not grouped in the first column in a 3 column text. This is the code:
 \ setupfootnotes [location = page]
 \ starttext
 \ startcolumns [n = 3, rule = on]
 \ input knuth Manolo mine \ footnote {\ input knuth}
 \ stopcolumns
 \ stoptext
 Can you help me? Is this the normal behavior?

When I run your example I get three columns for the text but the footnotes
are placed in a single column which uses the width of the textblock.

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] FOOTNOTES IN COLUMNS

2013-05-31 Thread Manuel González Suárez
2013/5/31 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com


  Am 31.05.2013 um 00:51 schrieb MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ 
 gonzalezsman...@uniovi.es:

  hello
 I do not know how I can make footnotes covering the entire bottom of the
 page and not grouped in the first column in a 3 column text. This is the
 code:
 \ setupfootnotes [location = page]
 \ starttext
 \ startcolumns [n = 3, rule = on]
 \ input knuth Manolo mine \ footnote {\ input knuth}
 \ stopcolumns
 \ stoptext
 Can you help me? Is this the normal behavior?


 When I run your example I get three columns for the text but the footnotes
 are placed in a single column which uses the width of the textblock.

 Wolfgang



 Yes Wolfgang, but that's not the result I want. Footnotes should occupy
 the entire width of the page and not just the width of a column. I can achieve
 this??


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Re: [NTG-context] FOOTNOTES IN COLUMNS

2013-05-31 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 31.05.2013 um 18:53 schrieb Manuel González Suárez manuelte...@gmail.com:
2013/5/31 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com



Am 31.05.2013 um 00:51 schrieb MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ gonzalezsman...@uniovi.es:


hello
I do not know how I can make footnotes covering the entire bottom of the page and not grouped in the first column in a 3 column text. This is the code:
\ setupfootnotes [location = page]
\ starttext
\ startcolumns [n = 3, rule = on]
\ input knuth Manolo mine \ footnote {\ input knuth}
\ stopcolumns
\ stoptext
Can you help me?Is this the "normal" behavior?
When I run your example I get three columns for the text but the footnotes
are placed in a single column which uses the width of the textblock.

Wolfgang


Yes Wolfgang, but that's not the result I want. Footnotes should occupy the entire width of the page and not just the width of a column. I can achieve this??The textblock is the width of all three columns including the space between the columns, see the attachment for the result I get.Wolfgang

test.pdf
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Re: [NTG-context] FOOTNOTES IN COLUMNS

2013-05-31 Thread Manuel González Suárez
That is exactly the result I want to obtain. Can you send me the code? You
can see my bad result (LuaTeX + MKIV)
Thanks


2013/5/31 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com


 Am 31.05.2013 um 18:53 schrieb Manuel González Suárez 
 manuelte...@gmail.com:



 2013/5/31 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com


  Am 31.05.2013 um 00:51 schrieb MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ 
 gonzalezsman...@uniovi.es:

  hello
 I do not know how I can make footnotes covering the entire bottom of the
 page and not grouped in the first column in a 3 column text. This is the
 code:
 \ setupfootnotes [location = page]
 \ starttext
 \ startcolumns [n = 3, rule = on]
 \ input knuth Manolo mine \ footnote {\ input knuth}
 \ stopcolumns
 \ stoptext
 Can you help me? Is this the normal behavior?


 When I run your example I get three columns for the text but the footnotes
 are placed in a single column which uses the width of the textblock.

 Wolfgang



 Yes Wolfgang, but that's not the result I want. Footnotes should occupy
 the entire width of the page and not just the width of a column. I can 
 achieve
 this??



 The textblock is the width of all three columns including the space
 between the columns, see the attachment for the result I get.

 Wolfgang



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[NTG-context] FOOTNOTES IN COLUMNS

2013-05-30 Thread MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ
helloI do not know how I can make footnotes covering the entire bottom of the page and not grouped in the first column in a 3 column text. This is the code:\ setupfootnotes [location = page]\ starttext\ startcolumns [n = 3, rule = on]\ input knuth Manolo mine \ footnote {\ input knuth}\ stopcolumns\ stoptextCan you help me? Is this the normal behavior?thanks-- Manuel González Suárez
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[NTG-context] footnotes and columns

2013-02-23 Thread Meer, H. van der
It appears that footnotes and columns are not friends of each other.
Setting \setupfootnotes[location=columns] does not place the footnotes in the 
columns but still at the bottom of the page. Furthermore the 
\startcolumns..\stopcolumns sequence seems to have an adverse effect on the 
textheight, because the footnotes can be seen to sometimes intrude in the 
textarea (or vice versa of course).
Changing the footnote setup to location = page, firstcolumn, lastcolumn, 
nothing different seen.
Is this a known problem.

I am refraining for the moment of a simple demo, because that is always 
difficult to achieve with this sort of placement problems.

Hans van der Meer



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[NTG-context] Footnotes in columns causing layout problem

2010-02-09 Thread Andreas Harder
Hi,

I’m trying it again. The problem with footnotes in multicolumn texts is still 
present.  
(http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100201.222309.2f37f55a.en.html)

\setupnote[footnote][location=lastcolumn] % - causes layout problem

\definecolumnset[two][n=2]

\enablemode[twocolumns] % columnsets|twocolumns

\starttext 
\doifmode{twocolumns}{\startcolumns}
\doifmode{columnsets}{\startcolumnset[two]}
  \dorecurse{2}{\input knuth}\footnote{\input tufte}
  \dorecurse{2}{\input knuth}
\doifmode{twocolumns}{\stopcolumns}
\doifmode{columnsets}{\stopcolumnset}
\stoptext


Thank you in advance

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Re: [NTG-context] Footnotes in columns causing layout problem

2010-02-09 Thread Hans Hagen

On 9-2-2010 11:45, Andreas Harder wrote:

Hi,

I’m trying it again. The problem with footnotes in multicolumn texts is still 
present.  
(http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100201.222309.2f37f55a.en.html)

\setupnote[footnote][location=lastcolumn] %- causes layout problem

\definecolumnset[two][n=2]

\enablemode[twocolumns] % columnsets|twocolumns

\starttext
\doifmode{twocolumns}{\startcolumns}
\doifmode{columnsets}{\startcolumnset[two]}
   \dorecurse{2}{\input knuth}\footnote{\input tufte}
   \dorecurse{2}{\input knuth}
\doifmode{twocolumns}{\stopcolumns}
\doifmode{columnsets}{\stopcolumnset}
\stoptext


i will have a look at it but not today


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[NTG-context] Footnotes in columns

2007-04-16 Thread Aditya Mahajan
I am writing a two column document using \startcolumns  
\stopcolumns. Now, by default, a \footnote in columns spans the whole 
text width. I want the footnote to appear at the bottom of the column 
where it was called. How can I do that.

Aditya


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