Re: [NTG-context] INstalling a new version of context
bb wrote: I think it would be a very useful exercise for hh to install a complete texlive on a stock fedora box. I'm sure he would be happy to, if you provided the box and some funding (!). Most developers that work on free software miss at least one of the following: * spare hardware * spare disk space * spare operating systems * spare time Then write down _every_ step necessary to get beta cont-tmf.zip installed and working. I guess I could conceivably try to do this, as long as I only have to do it once, but I will not be able to provide support for it afterwards. I have a fairly complex TeX setup, and for that reason I do not use texlive. I can try to write down this howto for *current* context beta and *current* pdfetex, but afterwards I have to revert my system back to 'normal operation' immediately, so there is no way for me to keep on helping people after the initial installation. Assuming someone volunteers to pick up supporting context-on-texlive afterwards, then I am willing to write down the initial page. But I do not want to waste a day fighting TeXlive for no good, so unless I hear from someone, I will do nothing. I would think that targeting texlive as the standard platform for distributing context on linux/unix would make the most sense. It should _not_ be necessary to make anything but a trivial change to texmf.cnf. Have you complained to the TeXlive maintainers as well? After all, they are the distributors. Perhaps they could make it just a bit easier to add stuff to an existing TeXlive install? The upgrade path for any TeXlive basically is: download an update iso image, burn it, and re-install. There is no support for partial upgrades (at least there wasn't last time I looked, which is, admittedly, a few years ago) Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] INstalling a new version of context
On Sunday 08 May 2005 08:44 pm, Hans Hagen wrote: wget www.pragma-ade.com/context/install/linuxtex.zip unzip linuxtex.zip cd tex . setuptex texexec --make --all after that, for each shell: . ~/tex/setuptex ~/tex (given tat you're in your home path) Following the above as a cookbook approach there is a problem with the texexec line. First I should mention that my default system path points to the TeXLive path of /usr/TeX/bin/i386-linux. so texexec --make --all will execute that program. If I go to the new texexec and execute it specifically: /usr/local/tex/texmf-linux/bin/texexec --make --all then it can't find Ruby. Also, the setuptex program as distributed is not marked as executable. If i mark it as executable and execute it the execution is in the blink of an eye. I am not sure it actually does anything. When I do set |less the value of TEXROOT does not show up. In the directory usr/local/tex/texmf-linux/bin if I execute ./pdfetex I get version 1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3 But if I go to /usr/share/texmf/bin (the Slackware distribution of TeX) and execute ./pdfetex I get 1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4) So the download of linuxtex.zip from Pragma gives an older version of crucial software than the straight Slackware install. Hence I will revert to that path. John Culleton The answers to all your publishing questions are found in the excellent books listed in the word-famous shortlist! http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] INstalling a new version of context
On 5/9/05, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bb wrote: I think it would be a very useful exercise for hh to install a complete texlive on a stock fedora box. I'm sure he would be happy to, if you provided the box and some funding (!). Reading my own words I see how they don't exactly convey warm appreciation for all the hard work that has been put into context. Allow me to retract them and offer instead to help, as time, money, and resources permit :-) Then write down _every_ step necessary to get beta cont-tmf.zip installed and working. I guess I could conceivably try to do this, as long as I only have to do it once, but I will not be able to provide support for it afterwards. I can understand your reluctance, especially since texlive has installation and maintenance issues of its own, as you allude to below. Since texlive 2005 is in the process of being worked out, perhaps a better use of time would be to ensure that a fully functional, up-to-date (and upgradable!) context gets included. I have a fairly complex TeX setup, and for that reason I do not use texlive. I can try to write down this howto for *current* context beta and *current* pdfetex, but afterwards I have to revert my system back to 'normal operation' immediately, so there is no way for me to keep on helping people after the initial installation. It would be a very good thing if stock texlive could reside in texmf and texmf-dist while your complex setup and bleeding edge stuff could reside in texmf-var, texmf-local, texmf-fonts, texmf-extras, etc. I can guess at several reasons why this might not be feasible. But it would be a worthy goal for both texlive and context to make such interoperability and upgradability trivial. The current confusion over engine support, for example, is simply maddening. Texlive is the closest thing that exists to a standard TeX platform. One of its virtues, in my opinion, is its inflexibility. It is fairly stable over time and does not vary significantly across distributions like tetex does. Assuming someone volunteers to pick up supporting context-on-texlive afterwards, then I am willing to write down the initial page. But I do not want to waste a day fighting TeXlive for no good, so unless I hear from someone, I will do nothing. I am hesitant to accept your offer because I am afraid that my problems will be exposed as pathetically easy to fix. Before you go to the trouble, I will take some time to debug texexec.pl, which is where I think the final problem is. If I succeed, I will post the recipe on contextgarden. I would think that targeting texlive as the standard platform for distributing context on linux/unix would make the most sense. It should _not_ be necessary to make anything but a trivial change to texmf.cnf. Have you complained to the TeXlive maintainers as well? Haven't I made enough enemies already :-) ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] INstalling a new version of context
bb wrote: Reading my own words I see how they don't exactly convey warm appreciation for all the hard work that has been put into context. That's ok, i have written stuff in the not so distant past that was much, much less appreciative. :-) below. Since texlive 2005 is in the process of being worked out, perhaps a better use of time would be to ensure that a fully functional, up-to-date (and upgradable!) context gets included. It wouldn't stay up-to-date for the whole year, only for the first six months or so. But you are right that the current (texlive2004) situation is particularly messy, and an effort should be made to make sure that the next texlive starts off with a more stable situation. Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] INstalling a new version of context
I think I have things working with texlive. I will reproduce the
installation to make sure I capture all steps. It basically comes down
to:
1) Install texlive 2004 to /usr/local/TeX
2) (possibly optional) Compile new pdftex, pdfetex and pdfxtex and
replace executable and pool files in /usr/local/TeX/bin/i386-linux/
and /usr/local/TeX/texmf-local/web2c/ respectively.
3) Install beta cont-tmf.zip into /usr/local/TeX/texmf-context
4) Edit /usr/local/TeX/texmf-local/web2c/texmf.cnf to include the
following modifications from the copy in /usr/local/TeX/texmf/web2c:
TEXMFCONTEXT=$SELFAUTOPARENT/texmf-context
TEXMF={$HOMETEXMF,!!$VARTEXMF,$TEXMFLOCAL,!!$TEXMFCONTEXT,!!$TEXMFMAIN,!!$TEXMFDIST}
5) wget http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/install/linuxtex.zip
Unzip the file into a temporary directory and cd to tex/texmf-linux/bin.
Copy only the small stub scripts (all less than 50 bytes) to
/usr/local/TeX/bin/i386-linux overwriting similarly named executables.
Copy texmfstart to the same place, again overwriting the existing
executable. Delete the rest of the temporary linuxtex installation.
6) Update /usr/local/TeX/texmf-context/scripts/context/perl/texexec.pl
with the attached patch.
7) Download the latest lm fonts from CTAN and install them in the
correct folders in texmf-context.
8) Run updmap.
9) Run texexec --make --all
I'm sure I have forgotten some crucial step. Corrections and
simplifications are welcome.
On 5/9/05, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
bb wrote:
Reading my own words I see how they don't exactly convey warm
appreciation for all the hard work that has been put into context.
That's ok, i have written stuff in the not so distant past that
was much, much less appreciative. :-)
below. Since texlive 2005 is in the process of being worked out,
perhaps a better use of time would be to ensure that a fully
functional, up-to-date (and upgradable!) context gets included.
It wouldn't stay up-to-date for the whole year, only for the first
six months or so. But you are right that the current (texlive2004)
situation is particularly messy, and an effort should be made to
make sure that the next texlive starts off with a more stable
situation.
Taco
*** /usr/local/TeX/texmf-context/scripts/context/perl/texexec.pl 2005-04-21 18:16:27.0 -0400
--- /usr/local/TeX/texmf-local/scripts/context/perl/texexec.pl 2005-05-09 14:39:51.0 -0400
***
*** 2305,2313
# fall back
if ($FormatPath eq '') {
if (($UseEnginePath)($EngineDone)) {
! $FormatPath = `$kpsewhich --engine=$EnginePath --expand-var=\$TEXFORMATS` ;
} else {
! $FormatPath = `$kpsewhich --expand-var=\$TEXFORMATS` ;
}
}
chomp $FormatPath ;
--- 2305,2313
# fall back
if ($FormatPath eq '') {
if (($UseEnginePath)($EngineDone)) {
! $FormatPath = `$kpsewhich --engine=$EnginePath --expand-var=\\\$TEXFORMATS` ;
} else {
! $FormatPath = `$kpsewhich --expand-var=\\\$TEXFORMATS` ;
}
}
chomp $FormatPath ;
***
*** 2474,2480
$texformats = '' ;
}
if ($texformats eq '') {
! $texformats = `kpsewhich --expand-var=\$TEXFORMATS`.chomp ;
}
if ($texformats !~ /web2c[\/\\].*\$ENGINE/) {
$texformats =~ s/web2c/web2c\/{\$ENGINE,}/ ;
--- 2474,2481
$texformats = '' ;
}
if ($texformats eq '') {
! $texformats = `kpsewhich --expand-var=\\\$TEXFORMATS` ;
! chomp($texformats) ;
}
if ($texformats !~ /web2c[\/\\].*\$ENGINE/) {
$texformats =~ s/web2c/web2c\/{\$ENGINE,}/ ;
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Re: [NTG-context] INstalling a new version of context
I finally succeed installing this new version ... at least s-pre-61.tex compiles ;-) -- Oli ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] INstalling a new version of context
John R. Culleton wrote: On Saturday 07 May 2005 06:01 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello ! I tried to install a new version of context, since somebody suggest to do it (BTW I do not know how know what version of context I have ... running texexec --version gives me the version of texexec, I presume, not the version of context ... but anyway ... that not my sole problem, as for now). So I used to have a version of context install by default :-) on my mandrake 10.1 distribution of linux ... The upgrading of Context or even of pdftex is sufficiently failure prone that I have given up trying. Instead I used the latest packages from Slackware current and installed those. When TeX live is updated again next winter I will upgrade to that level. The instructions never seem to deal with the exact configuration one is dealing with. Frankly I would rather spend my time typesetting and laying out books. So I accept the newest complete package that seems to work and reinstall. In theory I could upgrade, in fact I am better off waiting for the next complete distro from either TeXlive or Slack. most linux distros ship old tex's and it's no secret that one cannot combine tetex with tex live without problems; it's one or the other. an option with regardd to context is to download the linuxtex zip from our site and install an extra tex tree for context only and install updates in that tree (under texmf-local) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] INstalling a new version of context
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To upgrade I have downloaded http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/current/cont-tmf.zip and read also part of http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/minstall.pdf wget www.pragma-ade.com/context/install/linuxtex.zip unzip linuxtex.zip cd tex . setuptex texexec --make --all after that, for each shell: . ~/tex/setuptex ~/tex (given tat you're in your home path) and you're done; an update: cd texmf-local wget www.pragma-ade.com/context/latest/cont-tmf.zip unzip cont-tmf.zip texexec --make --all etc Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] INstalling a new version of context
The upgrading of Context or even of pdftex is sufficiently failure prone that I have given up trying. I tend to agree. I follow the meager instructions I have found, as well as some direct help from hh himself and am still not able to get it working right. I think the problem is with hacked engine support. I try disabling the use of engine but I still get the same problem. At this point I am tracking down a weird error in texexec.pl in which kpsewhich returns a null result and TEXFORMATS gets set to '0'. This wreaks havoc and breaks everything. I suspect texlive texmf.cnf settings trigger a bug in texexec. Perhaps everything would work just fine with the limited linux tex distribution from pragma. But I, like many others, prefer to use texlive because it is fairly comprehensive and I can use my normal latex and friends. I think it would be a very useful exercise for hh to install a complete texlive on a stock fedora box. Then write down _every_ step necessary to get beta cont-tmf.zip installed and working. I would think that targeting texlive as the standard platform for distributing context on linux/unix would make the most sense. It should _not_ be necessary to make anything but a trivial change to texmf.cnf. sc ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] INstalling a new version of context
Hello !
I tried to install a new version of context, since somebody suggest to
do it (BTW I do not know how know what version of context I have
... running texexec --version gives me the version of texexec, I
presume, not the version of context ... but anyway ... that not my
sole problem, as for now).
So I used to have a version of context install by default :-) on my
mandrake 10.1 distribution of linux ...
To upgrade I have downloaded
http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/current/cont-tmf.zip
and read also part of
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/minstall.pdf
It says that I have to unzip cont-tmf.zip in /usr/share/texmf ...
which I have done ...
And then they say we have to regenerate format but I'm not that
expert to understand what it means ...
What I have done is fmtutil --all
But my context distrib does not work anymore ... ;-(
Could anybody help me ?
I have relink
ln -s /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk/texexec.pl /usr/bin/texexec
since /usr/bin/texexec was the location where my shell use to find
texec ... But I'm probably messing everything doing that.
Anyway, I have NOT regenerate the format and try to use texexec ..
but on a simple hello world example stored in hw.tex file :
\starttext
Hello World !
\stoptext
it gives me this output ;-(
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/E/Context
# texexec --verbose hw.tex
TeXExec 3.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002
current path : /home/oli/E/Context
locating ini file : found by kpsewhich
reading : /usr/share/texmf/context/config/texexec.ini
setting : 'TeXShell' to 'tetex' for 'all'
setting : 'UsedInterfaces' to 'en nl metafun mptopdf' for 'all'
setting : 'UserInterface' to 'en' for 'all'
setting : 'TeXExecutable' to 'tex' for 'all'
setting : 'MpExecutable' to 'mpost' for 'all'
setting : 'MpToTeXExecutable' to 'mpto' for 'all'
setting : 'DviToMpExecutable' to 'dvitomp' for 'all'
setting : 'DviSpecialScript' to 'dvispec' for 'all'
setting : 'MpFormat' to 'metafun' for 'all'
setting : 'TeXFormatFlag' to '' for 'all'
setting : 'MpFormatFlag' to '' for 'all'
setting : 'TeXFontsPath' to 'l:/tex/texmf;l:/tex/texmf-local;'
for 'all'
setting : 'TeXExecutable' to 'pdfetex' for 'tetex'
setting : 'TeXVirginFlag' to '-ini' for 'tetex'
setting : 'TeXPassString' to '-progname=context' for 'tetex'
setting : 'TeXBatchFlag' to '-int=batchmode' for 'tetex'
setting : 'MpToTeXExecutable' to 'mpto' for 'tetex'
setting : 'MpVirginFlag' to '-ini' for 'tetex'
setting : 'MpPassString' to '-progname=mpost' for 'tetex'
setting : 'MpBatchFlag' to '-int=batchmode' for 'tetex'
used setting : TeXShell = tetex
used setting : SetupPath =
used setting : UserInterface = en
used setting : UsedInterfaces = en nl metafun mptopdf
used setting : TeXFontsPath = l:/tex/texmf;l:/tex/texmf-local;
used setting : MpExecutable = mpost
used setting : MpToTeXExecutable = mpto
used setting : DviToMpExecutable = dvitomp
used setting : TeXProgramPath =
used setting : TeXFormatPath =
used setting : ConTeXtPath =
used setting : TeXScriptsPath =
used setting : TeXExecutable = pdfetex
used setting : TeXVirginFlag = -ini
used setting : TeXBatchFlag = -int=batchmode
used setting : MpBatchFlag = -int=batchmode
used setting : TeXPassString = -progname=context
used setting : TeXFormatFlag =
used setting : MpFormatFlag =
used setting : MpVirginFlag = -ini
used setting : MpPassString = -progname=mpost
used setting : MpFormat = metafun
used setting : MpFormatPath =
used setting : FmtLanguage =
used setting : FmtBodyFont =
used setting : FmtResponse =
used setting : TcXPath =
used setting : SetFile =
applications will use : /usr/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
locating fmtutil : /usr/bin/fmtutil
executable : pdfetex
format : cont-en
inputfile : hw
output : standard
interface : en
options : verbose
current mode : none
TeX run : 1
pdfetex -progname=context \cont-en hw.tex
This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5)
entering extended mode
(./hw.tex{/usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}
ConTeXt ver: 2005.01.31 fmt: 2005.5.7 int: english mes: english
systems : pdfTeX version 110 - please update
systems : eTeX version 201 - too old (bugs)
language: language en is active
protectionstate 0
system : cont-new loaded
Re: [NTG-context] INstalling a new version of context
On Saturday 07 May 2005 06:01 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello ! I tried to install a new version of context, since somebody suggest to do it (BTW I do not know how know what version of context I have ... running texexec --version gives me the version of texexec, I presume, not the version of context ... but anyway ... that not my sole problem, as for now). So I used to have a version of context install by default :-) on my mandrake 10.1 distribution of linux ... The upgrading of Context or even of pdftex is sufficiently failure prone that I have given up trying. Instead I used the latest packages from Slackware current and installed those. When TeX live is updated again next winter I will upgrade to that level. The instructions never seem to deal with the exact configuration one is dealing with. Frankly I would rather spend my time typesetting and laying out books. So I accept the newest complete package that seems to work and reinstall. In theory I could upgrade, in fact I am better off waiting for the next complete distro from either TeXlive or Slack. John Culleton The answers to all your publishing questions are found in the excellent books listed in the word-famous shortlist! http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
