Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de writes: Hi All, I would agree that the users default should be respected. I will have to contradict my last post them. My suggestion them is to use a system variable such as ConTeXtViewer. This variable would contain the program to be called. If it is not set or empty context simply finishes up what ever it is doing and exits. It would not be two hard for a user to set this variable. Everybody gets what they want. It is not intrusive. It survives updates. Only needs to be done once. Now, if anybody wants to us the current method and furture versions he can or set up he wants. Windows, Mac, and Linux and other Unix-like systems all have such a system variable already, in their respective graphical desktop software. There is absolutely no need, and hardly any purpose either, in creating another setting - in fact it would only create further confusion. The respective already-existing settings for each OS were already mentioned earlier in this thread; all that's required for ConTeXt is to read the system setting that already exists and use it. If the user's default turns out to be not set, ConTeXt could do any combination of [complain] [open the user's system preferences for editing] [use its own default PDF software] [whatever else Hans et al have up their collective sleeve]. This means ConTeXt needs a small-but-cumbersome list of all the places to look where the user may have set their preferred PDF viewer, but that's just the price of being cross-platform. Anyone working with PDF is running a graphical desktop, right? I can see that people may prefer to work in terminal emulators as a matter of comfort/utility/familiarity, but is there anyone using ConTeXt and (on Linux or other Unix-like system) not running X11? (I think it's almost perfectly safe to assume that no Windows ConTeXt users are running straight DOS without a GUI...) -- David ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Unfortunately my version of evince doesn't always print correctly a pdf made by context mkiv \starttext $3v$ \par $3\omega$ \stoptext When I do print-preview, the math is not shown, and nothing is printed. As has already been mentioned, this could simply be a font issue, or a silly mistake with the way some programs handle Unicode characters with codes over 65536. it's a known problem http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=697766 or http://markmail.org/thread/butajobguctljovt#query:+page:1+mid:3kbunxjsfo2vzjcg+state:results and probably fixed in the next release of 12.04 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/0.22.4-0ubuntu1 (I have not checked) -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
Hi All, I have been following this thread with some amusement. There is no real optimal answer to this question short of developing a dedicated pdfviewer for ConTeXt. But, is this the best use of our resources. Furthermore, how about a dedicated editor? ;-)) (just joking, but I am sure somebody would come with the idea eventually, once we start down this path) As a Mac user, and one that shys away from using X. I use TeXShop. TeXShop has a multiplatform counterpart TeXWorks, distributed with TeXLive. It has a integrated pdf viewer with SyncTeX functionality. Its pdf viewer is based on Poppler. How good it is I can not say. But, it should not be two hard to extract it and turn it into a standalone. I think it could work as an adequate viewer. If someone then needs to use something better they can write the scripts they need themselves. Maybe, the TeXWorks guys could help. regards Keith ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On 6/28/2013 1:46 AM, Sietse Brouwer wrote: I'll repeat what I said, though: the PDF reader that is (a) most likely to be installed, and (b) is most logical / least surprising to the user, is: the user's own default PDF viewer. Adobe Reader may be clunky for this purpose, but IMO the user's choice should nonetheless be respected. It is easier, and less aggravating, to look up 'what is a better PDF viewer than Adobe' than 'why does ConTeXt not respect my default PDF viewer setting?' well, is someone chooses 'default' i.e. --autopdf=default then the pdfopen and pdfclose commands are used and these will use the system defaults; i can add 'auto' to do 'start' and 'open' but i'm not going to bother then with something close (which isn't available on all systems anyway) to be honest. i wasn't aware if anyone using --autopdf anyway and i mostly made it for my own edit/view cycle with scite, and the defaults there are my personal ones and users can easilly override them in a user properties file (so anyone not satisfied with my choices can set the preference to --autopdf=default there and get whatever (probably acrobat) is set up there (and then start fighting version clash startup differences) i expect most users to use their personal favourite editor and be able to configure the run context command (and is one omits the --autopdf viewing is completely up to the editor / os: as said, i only added --autopdf because it's handy in scite) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
Hi All, I would agree that the users default should be respected. I will have to contradict my last post them. My suggestion them is to use a system variable such as ConTeXtViewer. This variable would contain the program to be called. If it is not set or empty context simply finishes up what ever it is doing and exits. It would not be two hard for a user to set this variable. Everybody gets what they want. It is not intrusive. It survives updates. Only needs to be done once. Now, if anybody wants to us the current method and furture versions he can or set up he wants. regards Keith. Am 28.06.2013 um 01:53 schrieb Gareth Jones gareth.k.jo...@gmail.com: I'll repeat what I said, though: the PDF reader that is (a) most likely to be installed, and (b) is most logical / least surprising to the user, is: the user's own default PDF viewer. For what it’s worth, as an end user, I agree. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On 6/28/2013 10:56 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: Hi All, I would agree that the users default should be respected. I will have to contradict my last post them. My suggestion them is to use a system variable such as ConTeXtViewer. This variable would contain the program to be called. If it is not set or empty context simply finishes up what ever it is doing and exits. in that case it would be a directive in texmfcnf.lua (probably in the texmflocal instance) but when unset there still will be the default no one is forced to use --autopdf and if someone doesn't want to pop up a browser one can simply nto use --autopdf keep in mind that when a user uses --autopdf he/she probably knows what is needed can can as well pass some extra info It would not be two hard for a user to set this variable. Everybody gets what they want. It is not intrusive. It survives updates. Only needs to be done once. Now, if anybody wants to us the current method and furture versions he can or set up he wants. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Hi Hans, I meant a OS system variable. But that actually does not matter. The default action would be changed to not call a browser! I agree that nobody should be forced to use autopdf. Yet, as I understand the discussion there seems to be a need to add some generality to the method. Possibly, a cleaner way to resolve this discussion is to define calls for user as in user defined. In other words, in addition to -autopdf there will be a parameter -autocalls which is a list of commands for the calls opencalls, closecalls, allcalls. No for more need for anyone to really change a file it would be in their call to context. regards Keith. Am 28.06.2013 um 12:34 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: On 6/28/2013 10:56 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: Hi All, I would agree that the users default should be respected. I will have to contradict my last post them. My suggestion them is to use a system variable such as ConTeXtViewer. This variable would contain the program to be called. If it is not set or empty context simply finishes up what ever it is doing and exits. in that case it would be a directive in texmfcnf.lua (probably in the texmflocal instance) but when unset there still will be the default no one is forced to use --autopdf and if someone doesn't want to pop up a browser one can simply nto use --autopdf keep in mind that when a user uses --autopdf he/she probably knows what is needed can can as well pass some extra info [snip, snip] ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.netwrote: On 6/26/2013 6:24 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: [snip]. If there is one thing I have learned in developing software since 1965 (not a typo), it is to never depend on *any *third-party application being present. If it is not part of the base system install, it probably won't be there. I've even met Unix systems without *make*. Requiring the user to use some flag or other seldom flies and results in many nastygrams and late-night phone calls. If you need it, include it. yes , this is how currently the standalone core context --- and in the end, also the texlive -- works, with the constrain that it has to work with the same results on several different platforms. This means that the viewer cannot be part of the core -- it's the same situation of inkscape for svg. But instead of give no support at all sometime is better to give some support, if possibile -- for example if it's easy to install a pdf viewer or inkscape. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM, hwit...@gmail.com wrote: I likewise find the Sumatr pdf viewer better. Besides the benefits already mentioned, it also has the proper quality of being non-intrusive. Adobe readers are quite happy to bloat your memory and take control or otherwise intrude on your system's normal operations. I don't use Adobe's reader at all. Adobe Reader/Acrobat is the reference: is you see and print a pdf with Acrobat under Windows 8 you are on the right side. Otherwise you are on the wrong side. For javascript, if the pdf works under Acrobat under Windows 8 it's ok, otherwise no. If Reader/Acrobat doesn't complain the question if the pdf is valid or not is not important for and end user (ok, it's not true for pdf/a). Until now I have found the sumatrapdf is (very) good, but it cannot be used as reference. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On 6/27/2013 9:35 AM, luigi scarso wrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM, hwit...@gmail.com mailto:hwit...@gmail.com wrote: I likewise find the Sumatr pdf viewer better. Besides the benefits already mentioned, it also has the proper quality of being non-intrusive. Adobe readers are quite happy to bloat your memory and take control or otherwise intrude on your system's normal operations. I don't use Adobe's reader at all. Adobe Reader/Acrobat is the reference: is you see and print a pdf with Acrobat under Windows 8 you are on the right side. Otherwise you are on the wrong side. For javascript, if the pdf works under Acrobat under Windows 8 it's ok, otherwise no. If Reader/Acrobat doesn't complain the question if the pdf is valid or not is not important for and end user (ok, it's not true for pdf/a). indeed, it's the final reference Until now I have found the sumatrapdf is (very) good, but it cannot be used as reference. but okay and convenient for edit/view cycles (my second choice is okular, also available for windows) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Instead of choosing our own default PDF viewer, we should probably invoke the user's default PDF viewer. Every OS has a command-line program to open a file with the system default program: On OS X: open myfile.pdf On Windows: start myfile.pdf On Linux, there separate programmes for KDE, new gnome and old gnome, and desktop-agnostic: kde-open myfile.pdf || gvfs-open myfile.pdf || gnome-open myfile.pdf || xdg-open myfile.pdf Cheers, Sietse ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On Linux, there separate programmes for KDE, new gnome and old gnome, and desktop-agnostic: kde-open myfile.pdf || gvfs-open myfile.pdf || gnome-open myfile.pdf || xdg-open myfile.pdf On my linux mint/debian boxes, xdg-open works fine across MATE, XFCE, and KDE. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Sietse Brouwer sbbrou...@gmail.com wrote: Instead of choosing our own default PDF viewer, we should probably invoke the user's default PDF viewer. Every OS has a command-line program to open a file with the system default program: On OS X: open myfile.pdf On Windows: start myfile.pdf On Linux, there separate programmes for KDE, new gnome and old gnome, and desktop-agnostic: kde-open myfile.pdf || gvfs-open myfile.pdf || gnome-open myfile.pdf || xdg-open myfile.pdf Cheers, Sietse ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013, Sietse Brouwer wrote: Instead of choosing our own default PDF viewer, we should probably invoke the user's default PDF viewer. Every OS has a command-line program to open a file with the system default program: On OS X: open myfile.pdf On Windows: start myfile.pdf On Linux, there separate programmes for KDE, new gnome and old gnome, and desktop-agnostic: kde-open myfile.pdf || gvfs-open myfile.pdf || gnome-open myfile.pdf || xdg-open myfile.pdf Or, simple read the mailcap preference or use a program such as run-mailcap or see which choose the viewer based on mailcap preferences. I am half joking here; don't go down this route. One can simply leave it to the user to write a wrapper to context that calls the PDF viewer when context is finished. Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On 6/27/2013 5:15 PM, Sietse Brouwer wrote: Instead of choosing our own default PDF viewer, we should probably invoke the user's default PDF viewer. Every OS has a command-line program to open a file with the system default program: On OS X: open myfile.pdf On Windows: start myfile.pdf On Linux, there separate programmes for KDE, new gnome and old gnome, and desktop-agnostic: kde-open myfile.pdf || gvfs-open myfile.pdf || gnome-open myfile.pdf || xdg-open myfile.pdf but there is no stopmyfile.pdf restart myfile.pdf - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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I am half joking here; don't go down this route. Why? Users can override defaults, but most don't (and most certainly not by writing additional code themselves, except for a tiny minority). Why shouldn't reasonable defaults be provided? Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Exactly what I was thinking: pavneet@darjiling:~$ more .mailcap application/pdf; evince %s I like evince because it also doesn't lock the PDF file, and auto-refreshes the view when updated. It also has/can have a space efficient toolbar structure, which works great on my little netbook: Asus EEE 701 running Bodhi Linux off an SD card---my favourite writing environment by far. So no wrapper needed except for first invocation which puts evince in the background. My own work environment is a bit like an old-school IDE: - tmux with side-by-side panes for vim editing and document compilation. - different tmux windows for different documents being worked on. - evince on one of the adjacent workspace to preview. CTRLALTRIGHT|LEFT to quickly switch back and forth from edit-compile to test workspaces. Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:25:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu To: mailing list for ConTeXt users ntg-context@ntg.nl Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview Message-ID: alpine.LNX.2.02.1306271320220.24744@ybpnyubfg.ybpnyqbznva Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Or, simple read the mailcap preference or use a program such as run-mailcap or see which choose the viewer based on mailcap preferences. I am half joking here; don't go down this route. One can simply leave it to the user to write a wrapper to context that calls the PDF viewer when context is finished. Aditya -- Pavneet Arora m: 647.406.6843 Waroc Informatikt: 416.937.9276 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Pavneet Arora pavneet_ar...@waroc.comwrote: Exactly what I was thinking: pavneet@darjiling:~$ more .mailcap application/pdf; evince %s I like evince because it also doesn't lock the PDF file, and auto-refreshes the view when updated. It also has/can have a space efficient toolbar structure, which works great on my little netbook: Asus EEE 701 running Bodhi Linux off an SD card---my favourite writing environment by far. So no wrapper needed except for first invocation which puts evince in the background. My own work environment is a bit like an old-school IDE: - tmux with side-by-side panes for vim editing and document compilation. - different tmux windows for different documents being worked on. - evince on one of the adjacent workspace to preview. CTRLALTRIGHT|LEFT to quickly switch back and forth from edit-compile to test workspaces. Unfortunately my version of evince doesn't always print correctly a pdf made by context mkiv \starttext $3v$ \par $3\omega$ \stoptext When I do print-preview, the math is not shown, and nothing is printed. (okular is ok) -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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A summary of things people have said in this thread. NB: everything is paraphrased, so blame me if anything seems overly terse in tone. Bill doesn't have or want SumatraPDF Hans made SumatraPDF the default because it has lots of nice properties that Acrobat doesn't have Luigi thinks maybe mupdf is the right candidate (evince and okular are OK, xpdf doesn't work under 64bit, linux acrobat is old) Siep uses qpdfview, perhaps? Suggests it Bill uses Calibre, personally (and he thinks it would also be bad if ConTeXt assumed everyone uses Calibre) Bill likes the idea of bundling a PDF reader with ConTeXt Hwitloc doesn't use Acrobat at all Luigi mentions that Adobe Reader is the reference PDF viewer -- what doesn't work in Adobe Reader might as well not work at all. Hans agrees Reader is the reference, but prefers sumatrapdf or okular for edit/view cycles Sietse thinks ConTeXt should start by using the user's default pdf viewer --- via open / start / xdg-open. It is then up to the user to override this setting for ConTeXt. Hans thinks this has a problem [on Windows?]: there is start myfile.pdf, but no stop myfile.pdf. Which doesn't play well with Adobe Reader, which cannot handle open PDFs being updated. Aditya proposes -- in jest -- to read the user's mailcap file (on Linux, presumably). Pavneet thinks there is merit in this 'read the user's mailcap' jest. Also, he likes evince. Luigi has found Evince sometimes has printing problems with PDFs make by MkIV I'll repeat what I said, though: the PDF reader that is (a) most likely to be installed, and (b) is most logical / least surprising to the user, is: the user's own default PDF viewer. Adobe Reader may be clunky for this purpose, but IMO the user's choice should nonetheless be respected. It is easier, and less aggravating, to look up 'what is a better PDF viewer than Adobe' than 'why does ConTeXt not respect my default PDF viewer setting?' Cheers, Sietse ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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I'll repeat what I said, though: the PDF reader that is (a) most likely to be installed, and (b) is most logical / least surprising to the user, is: the user's own default PDF viewer. For what it’s worth, as an end user, I agree. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Unfortunately my version of evince doesn't always print correctly a pdf made by context mkiv \starttext $3v$ \par $3\omega$ \stoptext When I do print-preview, the math is not shown, and nothing is printed. As has already been mentioned, this could simply be a font issue, or a silly mistake with the way some programs handle Unicode characters with codes over 65536. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
How does one override the default pdf viewer for MKIV Standalone on
Windows 7-64 so --autopdf starts Acrobat Reader instead of sumatrapdf.exe?
I don't have sumatra and do not wish to install it just to satisfy
this one application. WTH is it anyway? (I know what it is, it's a
rhetorical question). Making some obscure pdf viewer the default with no
clear way to change it is not a good idea. For Windows, the vast
majority of people have Acrobat Reader which is very often preinstalled.
For Linux, it's less clear what the default should be but {xpdf
|evince|acroread} are quite common. Can't speak to OSX as I've never
used it but I'd bet a coffee Acrobat Reader is (or can be) there, too.
I have searched through the source and tried editing l-pdf.lua but that
doesn't seem to fix the problem. I shouldn't have to edit system source
in any event.
Mark me frustrated.
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Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.netwrote:
How does one override the default pdf viewer for MKIV Standalone on
Windows 7-64 so --autopdf starts Acrobat Reader instead of sumatrapdf.exe?
I don't have sumatra and do not wish to install it just to satisfy this
one application. WTH is it anyway? (I know what it is, it's a rhetorical
question). Making some obscure pdf viewer the default with no clear way to
change it is not a good idea. For Windows, the vast majority of people have
Acrobat Reader which is very often preinstalled. For Linux, it's less clear
what the default should be but {xpdf |evince|acroread} are quite common.
Can't speak to OSX as I've never used it but I'd bet a coffee Acrobat
Reader is (or can be) there, too.
I have searched through the source and tried editing l-pdf.lua but that
doesn't seem to fix the problem. I shouldn't have to edit system source in
any event.
Mark me frustrated.
I don't see l-pdf.lua in my standalone .
I don't use sumatra under linux but I see this
tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/l-pdfview.lua:['sumatra'] =
'start test c:/data/system/sumatrapdf/sumatrapdf.exe -reuse-instance',
tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/l-pdfview.lua:['sumatra'] =
'start test sumatrapdf.exe -reuse-instance -bg-color 0xCC',
tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/l-pdfview.lua:['sumatra'] =
false,
tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/l-pdfview.lua:['sumatra'] =
false,
tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/l-pdfview.lua:pdfview.method =
sumatra
tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/l-pdfview.lua:['sumatra'] =
'wine sumatrapdf.exe -reuse-instance -bg-color 0xCC',
tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/l-pdfview.lua:['sumatra'] =
false,
tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/l-pdfview.lua:['sumatra'] =
false,
tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/l-pdfview.lua:pdfview.method =
sumatra
tex/texmf-context/context/data/scite/scite-context.properties:
name.flag.pdfopen=--autopdf=sumatra
In l-pdfview.lua I argue that
pdfview.method = acrobat
can help .
If you are using scite, then the file is probably
tex/texmf-context/context/data/scite/scite-context.properties
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Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On 6/26/2013 10:20 AM, luigi scarso wrote:
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Bill Meahan
subscribed_li...@meahan.net mailto:subscribed_li...@meahan.net wrote:
How does one override the default pdf viewer for MKIV Standalone
on Windows 7-64 so --autopdf starts Acrobat Reader instead of
sumatrapdf.exe?
I don't have sumatra and do not wish to install it just to
satisfy this one application. WTH is it anyway? (I know what it
is, it's a rhetorical question). Making some obscure pdf viewer
the default with no clear way to change it is not a good idea. For
Windows, the vast majority of people have Acrobat Reader which is
very often preinstalled. For Linux, it's less clear what the
default should be but {xpdf |evince|acroread} are quite common.
Can't speak to OSX as I've never used it but I'd bet a coffee
Acrobat Reader is (or can be) there, too.
I have searched through the source and tried editing l-pdf.lua but
that doesn't seem to fix the problem. I shouldn't have to edit
system source in any event.
Mark me frustrated.
I don't see l-pdf.lua in my standalone .
TYPO: It's l-pdfview.lua sometimes my memory
From my standalone (updated yesterday)
..[snip]..
if os.type == windows then
opencalls = {
['default'] = pdfopen --rxi --file,
['acrobat'] = pdfopen --rxi --file,
['fullacrobat'] = pdfopen --axi --file,
['okular'] = 'start test
c:/data/system/kde/bin/okular.exe --unique', -- todo!
['sumatra'] = 'start test
c:/data/system/sumatrapdf/sumatrapdf.exe -reuse-instance',
['okular'] = 'start test okular.exe --unique',
['sumatra'] = 'start test sumatrapdf.exe
-reuse-instance -bg-color 0xCC',
}
closecalls= {
['default'] = pdfclose --file,
['acrobat'] = pdfclose --file,
['okular'] = false,
['sumatra'] = false,
}
allcalls = {
['default'] = pdfclose --all,
['acrobat'] = pdfclose --all,
['okular'] = false,
['sumatra'] = false,
}
pdfview.method = acrobat -- no longer useful due to green pop up
line and clasing reader/full
pdfview.method = sumatra ===
runner = function(cmd)
os.execute(cmd) -- .. /null
end
else
..[snip]..
Although I first discovered this when trying to use SciTE, it does the
same thing if invoked from the command line. The pdf viewer does not
appear in any of the SciTE *.properties files.
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Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Bill Meahan subscribed_li...@meahan.netwrote:
On 6/26/2013 10:20 AM, luigi scarso wrote:
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Bill Meahan
subscribed_li...@meahan.netwrote:
How does one override the default pdf viewer for MKIV Standalone on
Windows 7-64 so --autopdf starts Acrobat Reader instead of sumatrapdf.exe?
I don't have sumatra and do not wish to install it just to satisfy this
one application. WTH is it anyway? (I know what it is, it's a rhetorical
question). Making some obscure pdf viewer the default with no clear way to
change it is not a good idea. For Windows, the vast majority of people have
Acrobat Reader which is very often preinstalled. For Linux, it's less clear
what the default should be but {xpdf |evince|acroread} are quite common.
Can't speak to OSX as I've never used it but I'd bet a coffee Acrobat
Reader is (or can be) there, too.
I have searched through the source and tried editing l-pdf.lua but that
doesn't seem to fix the problem. I shouldn't have to edit system source in
any event.
Mark me frustrated.
I don't see l-pdf.lua in my standalone .
TYPO: It's l-pdfview.lua sometimes my memory
From my standalone (updated yesterday)
..[snip]..
if os.type == windows then
opencalls = {
['default'] = pdfopen --rxi --file,
['acrobat'] = pdfopen --rxi --file,
['fullacrobat'] = pdfopen --axi --file,
['okular'] = 'start test
c:/data/system/kde/bin/okular.exe --unique', -- todo!
['sumatra'] = 'start test
c:/data/system/sumatrapdf/sumatrapdf.exe -reuse-instance',
['okular'] = 'start test okular.exe --unique',
['sumatra'] = 'start test sumatrapdf.exe -reuse-instance
-bg-color 0xCC',
}
closecalls= {
['default'] = pdfclose --file,
['acrobat'] = pdfclose --file,
['okular'] = false,
['sumatra'] = false,
}
allcalls = {
['default'] = pdfclose --all,
['acrobat'] = pdfclose --all,
['okular'] = false,
['sumatra'] = false,
}
pdfview.method = acrobat -- no longer useful due to green pop up
line and clasing reader/full
pdfview.method = sumatra ===
runner = function(cmd)
os.execute(cmd) -- .. /null
end
else
..[snip]..
Although I first discovered this when trying to use SciTE, it does the
same thing if invoked from the command line. The pdf viewer does not appear
in any of the SciTE *.properties files.
maybe
context --autopdf=acrobat yourfile.tex
context --autopdf=fullacrobat yourfile.tex
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Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On 6/26/2013 6:11 PM, luigi scarso wrote:
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Bill Meahan
I don't have sumatra and do not wish to install it just to
satisfy this one application. WTH is it anyway? (I know what
it is, it's a rhetorical question). Making some obscure pdf
viewer the default with no clear way to change it is not a
good idea. For Windows, the vast majority of people have
Acrobat Reader which is very often preinstalled. For Linux,
it's less clear what the default should be but {xpdf
|evince|acroread} are quite common. Can't speak to OSX as I've
never used it but I'd bet a coffee Acrobat Reader is (or can
be) there, too.
- on none of my window boxes acrobat was preinstalled
- there is no robust way to start acrobat
- pdfopen has to be adapted to major updates of acrobat
- there is (at least on my machine) a potential clash between reader and
professional
- acrobat occasionally tends to block
- the latest version of acrobat has funny popups when opening docs
while sumatrapdf
- is pretty fast
- has matured quite well
- remembers the current page
- renders quite ok
- even supports some basic interactivity
- (has an ugly yellow pop up windows but those can nowadays be recolored)
- can be installed as portable application
- works ok wine/linux (in fact has my preference now when on linux)
so, enough reasons for me to have changed the defaults (esp because one
can always set different defaults)
Although I first discovered this when trying to use SciTE, it does
the same thing if invoked from the command line. The pdf viewer does
not appear in any of the SciTE *.properties files.
maybe
context --autopdf=acrobat yourfile.tex
context --autopdf=fullacrobat yourfile.tex
or in a scite user properties file:
if PLAT_WIN
name.flag.pdfopen=--autopdf=acrobat
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Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers the current page - renders quite ok - even supports some basic interactivity - (has an ugly yellow pop up windows but those can nowadays be recolored) - can be installed as portable application - works ok wine/linux (in fact has my preference now when on linux) I have to admit that I often think to a context pdf viewer, and mupdf seems the right candidate. Under ubuntu 64bit 12.04 xpdf doesn't work, acroreader is still 9 32 bit (so I use wine acroreader 11) evince is ok, probably also okular. A context pdf viewer should be like sumatrapdf at least --- so in the end I also installed sumatrapdf.exe under linux . Now that I have done a luatex binding for mupdf, if we have a minimal GUI toolkit cross platform (but really minimal) it's possible to build a pdfviewer in luatex (ok I think that it's quite slow). -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:22:23PM +0200, luigi scarso wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers the current page - renders quite ok - even supports some basic interactivity - (has an ugly yellow pop up windows but those can nowadays be recolored) - can be installed as portable application - works ok wine/linux (in fact has my preference now when on linux) I have to admit that I often think to a context pdf viewer, and mupdf seems the right candidate. Under ubuntu 64bit 12.04 xpdf doesn't work, acroreader is still 9 32 bit (so I use wine acroreader 11) evince is ok, probably also okular. A context pdf viewer should be like sumatrapdf at least --- so in the end I also installed sumatrapdf.exe under linux . For Linux, have a look at qpdfview. -- Siep Kroonenberg ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
Hi Luigi! ···date: 2013-06-26, Wednesday···from: luigi scarso··· On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers the current page - renders quite ok - even supports some basic interactivity - (has an ugly yellow pop up windows but those can nowadays be recolored) - can be installed as portable application - works ok wine/linux (in fact has my preference now when on linux) I have to admit that I often think to a context pdf viewer, and mupdf seems the right candidate. Under ubuntu 64bit 12.04 xpdf doesn't work, acroreader is still 9 32 bit (so I use wine acroreader 11) evince is ok, probably also okular. A context pdf viewer should be like sumatrapdf at least --- so in the end I also installed sumatrapdf.exe under linux . Now that I have done a luatex binding for mupdf, if we have a minimal GUI toolkit cross platform (but really minimal) it's possible to build a pdfviewer in luatex If you’re serious about this, the Zathura guys have a separate interface library based on GTK [1]. Having some (any) Lua capability inside a pdf viewer would indeed be nice. Best, Philipp [1] http://pwmt.org/projects/girara/. pgpzg_3QxgFmX.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On 6/26/2013 10:50 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi Luigi! ···date: 2013-06-26, Wednesday···from: luigi scarso··· On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers the current page - renders quite ok - even supports some basic interactivity - (has an ugly yellow pop up windows but those can nowadays be recolored) - can be installed as portable application - works ok wine/linux (in fact has my preference now when on linux) I have to admit that I often think to a context pdf viewer, and mupdf seems the right candidate. Under ubuntu 64bit 12.04 xpdf doesn't work, acroreader is still 9 32 bit (so I use wine acroreader 11) evince is ok, probably also okular. A context pdf viewer should be like sumatrapdf at least --- so in the end I also installed sumatrapdf.exe under linux . Now that I have done a luatex binding for mupdf, if we have a minimal GUI toolkit cross platform (but really minimal) it's possible to build a pdfviewer in luatex If you’re serious about this, the Zathura guys have a separate interface library based on GTK [1]. Having some (any) Lua capability inside a pdf viewer would indeed be nice. FYI: After Luigi and I have wrapped up the projects swiglib (libraries) and speed-up-luatex projects we will start our lua-in-pdf-viewer exploration (after all pdf permits additional annotations) ... and we need challenges. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Siep Kroonenberg si...@cybercomm.nlwrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:22:23PM +0200, luigi scarso wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers the current page - renders quite ok - even supports some basic interactivity - (has an ugly yellow pop up windows but those can nowadays be recolored) - can be installed as portable application - works ok wine/linux (in fact has my preference now when on linux) I have to admit that I often think to a context pdf viewer, and mupdf seems the right candidate. Under ubuntu 64bit 12.04 xpdf doesn't work, acroreader is still 9 32 bit (so I use wine acroreader 11) evince is ok, probably also okular. A context pdf viewer should be like sumatrapdf at least --- so in the end I also installed sumatrapdf.exe under linux . For Linux, have a look at qpdfview. ok I in stalled, I will play with it a bit. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 6/26/2013 10:50 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi Luigi! ···date: 2013-06-26, Wednesday···from: luigi scarso··· On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers the current page - renders quite ok - even supports some basic interactivity - (has an ugly yellow pop up windows but those can nowadays be recolored) - can be installed as portable application - works ok wine/linux (in fact has my preference now when on linux) I have to admit that I often think to a context pdf viewer, and mupdf seems the right candidate. Under ubuntu 64bit 12.04 xpdf doesn't work, acroreader is still 9 32 bit (so I use wine acroreader 11) evince is ok, probably also okular. A context pdf viewer should be like sumatrapdf at least --- so in the end I also installed sumatrapdf.exe under linux . Now that I have done a luatex binding for mupdf, if we have a minimal GUI toolkit cross platform (but really minimal) it's possible to build a pdfviewer in luatex If you’re serious about this, the Zathura guys have a separate interface library based on GTK [1]. Having some (any) Lua capability inside a pdf viewer would indeed be nice. FYI: After Luigi and I have wrapped up the projects swiglib (libraries) and speed-up-luatex projects we will start our lua-in-pdf-viewer exploration (after all pdf permits additional annotations) ... and we need challenges. Hans yes, approximately/hopefully end of next year, and suggestions are all welcome, of course --- and the meeting is a nice place to discuss these kind of things. Of course a good solution has small size, it is fast and works in the same way at least under Windows/Linux/Mac. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On 6/26/2013 3:29 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: [snip]... - on none of my window boxes acrobat was preinstalled - there is no robust way to start acrobat - pdfopen has to be adapted to major updates of acrobat - there is (at least on my machine) a potential clash between reader and professional - acrobat occasionally tends to block - the latest version of acrobat has funny popups when opening docs while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers the current page - renders quite ok - even supports some basic interactivity - (has an ugly yellow pop up windows but those can nowadays be recolored) - can be installed as portable application - works ok wine/linux (in fact has my preference now when on linux) sumatrapdf may be the best PDF viewer ever invented. As a lawyer might say, I'll stipulate that. If someone who wants to use ConTeXt has never heard of it and has to use a search engine to even know what it is, however, it's not a great default to have on a *public* distribution. Similar arguments could be made for Calibre (which I use). so, enough reasons for me to have changed the defaults (esp because one can always set different defaults) That was my original question: how do I change the default without hand-editing a file in the base distribution? That's not only bad practice, it's liable to get overwritten on the next update. Does one use texmf.cnf or something else with a very recent MKIV? Although I first discovered this when trying to use SciTE, it does the same thing if invoked from the command line. The pdf viewer does not appear in any of the SciTE *.properties files. I haven't settled on SciTE as the editor I want to use but a SciTE-only workaround misses the point. maybe context --autopdf=acrobat yourfile.tex context --autopdf=fullacrobat yourfile.tex When run from the cmd.exe command line, acrobat _does_ get launched _but_ it gets launched before ConTeXt has created the pdf file then hangs so the only way to exit is a Ctrl-C in the cmd.exe window. Simply closing acrobat simply causes acrobat to launch again. A better solution would be to assume the person installing ConTeXt does not have a PDF reader *at all* and include some minimal self-contained reader (no dll's needed) in the distribution itself, the way rsync is included. I really don't care which one, as long as there is *something* present. MuPDF might be a good choice but I'm quite sure everyone on the list has a favorite they would like to see as the included viewer for one reason or another. As long as ConTeXt is guaranteed to find it, it is a good default. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
···date: 2013-06-26, Wednesday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 6/26/2013 10:50 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi Luigi! ···date: 2013-06-26, Wednesday···from: luigi scarso··· On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: while sumatrapdf - is pretty fast - has matured quite well - remembers the current page - renders quite ok - even supports some basic interactivity - (has an ugly yellow pop up windows but those can nowadays be recolored) - can be installed as portable application - works ok wine/linux (in fact has my preference now when on linux) I have to admit that I often think to a context pdf viewer, and mupdf seems the right candidate. Under ubuntu 64bit 12.04 xpdf doesn't work, acroreader is still 9 32 bit (so I use wine acroreader 11) evince is ok, probably also okular. A context pdf viewer should be like sumatrapdf at least --- so in the end I also installed sumatrapdf.exe under linux . Now that I have done a luatex binding for mupdf, if we have a minimal GUI toolkit cross platform (but really minimal) it's possible to build a pdfviewer in luatex If you’re serious about this, the Zathura guys have a separate interface library based on GTK [1]. Having some (any) Lua capability inside a pdf viewer would indeed be nice. FYI: After Luigi and I have wrapped up the projects swiglib (libraries) and speed-up-luatex projects we will start our lua-in-pdf-viewer exploration (after all pdf permits additional annotations) ... and we need challenges. Do you plan on making the PDF internals as transparent and easy to manipulate as Luatex does with TeX? Looking forward to it! Best, Philipp - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments pgpA2pz0S7X1B.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On 6/26/2013 11:27 PM, Bill Meahan wrote: That was my original question: how do I change the default without hand-editing a file in the base distribution? That's not only bad practice, it's liable to get overwritten on the next update. as mentioned in an earlier mail ... you can set it in a user properties file and the last settings loaded are taken (which happen to be user properties) Does one use texmf.cnf or something else with a very recent MKIV? Although I first discovered this when trying to use SciTE, it does the same thing if invoked from the command line. The pdf viewer does not appear in any of the SciTE *.properties files. I haven't settled on SciTE as the editor I want to use but a SciTE-only workaround misses the point. in any editor, when one wants to run context, mtxrun --script context has to be configured and adding --autopdf=acrobat is then no big deal maybe context --autopdf=acrobat yourfile.tex context --autopdf=fullacrobat yourfile.tex When run from the cmd.exe command line, acrobat _does_ get launched _but_ it gets launched before ConTeXt has created the pdf file then hangs so the only way to exit is a Ctrl-C in the cmd.exe window. Simply closing acrobat simply causes acrobat to launch again. it has to do with the fact that only files opened with pdfopen.exe can be closed with pdfclose.exe .. both programs already have to jump through loops to get that done A better solution would be to assume the person installing ConTeXt does not have a PDF reader *at all* and include some minimal self-contained reader (no dll's needed) in the distribution itself, the way rsync is included. I really don't care which one, as long as there is *something* present. MuPDF might be a good choice but I'm quite sure everyone on the list has a favorite they would like to see as the included viewer for one reason or another. As long as ConTeXt is guaranteed to find it, it is a good default. i suppose that summatrapdf can be put in the texmf-mswin/bin path .. after all. the portable version is not depending on other components btw, is nothing is present, context will still run ok with --autopdf ... okay one will need a printer then as said: acrobat just became too inconvenient for me to use in a fast edit/view cycle (pop ups, dialogs, conflicts between professional and reader, etc. makes me wonder where it's heading); i still use professional for proofing, inspection and presentations (when some javascript related features and/or layers and/or structure is needed). Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
On 6/26/2013 6:24 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: [snip]. If there is one thing I have learned in developing software since 1965 (not a typo), it is to never depend on /any /third-party application being present. If it is not part of the base system install, it probably won't be there. I've even met Unix systems without /make/. Requiring the user to use some flag or other seldom flies and results in many nastygrams and late-night phone calls. If you need it, include it. I pass on this group of scars on my butt for what it's worth and declare the topic closed. -- Bill Meahan Westland, Michigan The nice thing about standards is there are so many of them. -- Henry Spencer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Overriding pdfview
I likewise find the Sumatr pdf viewer better. Besides the benefits already
mentioned, it also has the proper quality of being non-intrusive. Adobe
readers are quite happy to bloat your memory and take control or otherwise
intrude on your system's normal operations.
I don't use Adobe's reader at all.
Cheers
Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 6/26/2013 6:11 PM, luigi scarso wrote:
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Bill Meahan
I don't have sumatra and do not wish to install it just to
satisfy this one application. WTH is it anyway? (I know what
it is, it's a rhetorical question). Making some obscure pdf
viewer the default with no clear way to change it is not a
good idea. For Windows, the vast majority of people have
Acrobat Reader which is very often preinstalled. For Linux,
it's less clear what the default should be but {xpdf
|evince|acroread} are quite common. Can't speak to OSX as I've
never used it but I'd bet a coffee Acrobat Reader is (or can
be) there, too.
- on none of my window boxes acrobat was preinstalled
- there is no robust way to start acrobat
- pdfopen has to be adapted to major updates of acrobat
- there is (at least on my machine) a potential clash between reader
and professional
- acrobat occasionally tends to block
- the latest version of acrobat has funny popups when opening docs
while sumatrapdf
- is pretty fast
- has matured quite well
- remembers the current page
- renders quite ok
- even supports some basic interactivity
- (has an ugly yellow pop up windows but those can nowadays be recolored)
- can be installed as portable application
- works ok wine/linux (in fact has my preference now when on linux)
so, enough reasons for me to have changed the defaults (esp because
one can always set different defaults)
Although I first discovered this when trying to use SciTE, it does
the same thing if invoked from the command line. The pdf viewer does
not appear in any of the SciTE *.properties files.
maybe
context --autopdf=acrobat yourfile.tex
context --autopdf=fullacrobat yourfile.tex
or in a scite user properties file:
if PLAT_WIN
name.flag.pdfopen=--autopdf=acrobat
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