Re: [NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files? -- II.

2018-07-26 Thread Hans Hagen

On 7/26/2018 9:34 AM, Tomas Hala wrote:

Fri, Jul 20, 2018 ve 09:24:23PM +0200 Hans Hagen napsal(a):
# On 7/20/2018 5:05 PM, Tomas Hala wrote:
# >Hi all,
# >
# >I would like to open the PDF/A topic once more.
#
# maybe discuss it at the upcoming ctx meeting ...

Good idea, indeed.

# ... you can prepare a
# summative talk about it (including the demands for following some
# standard)

I guess I can collect only some (unordered) pieces of information about this
but I really do not feel up to prepare a talk covering the topic 
systematically...
If it does not matter...
just collect them ... luigi can probbaly kick in with some info about 
validators and so, and we can look into pdf files for further 
enlightment (i can explain some internals and such)


(of course we can also have a m,ore philosophical discussiion about 
these standards, validation, tagging, fancy pdf features, etc)


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files? -- II.

2018-07-26 Thread Tomas Hala
Fri, Jul 20, 2018 ve 09:24:23PM +0200 Hans Hagen napsal(a):
# On 7/20/2018 5:05 PM, Tomas Hala wrote:
# >Hi all,
# >
# >I would like to open the PDF/A topic once more.
# 
# maybe discuss it at the upcoming ctx meeting ... 

Good idea, indeed. 

# ... you can prepare a
# summative talk about it (including the demands for following some
# standard)

I guess I can collect only some (unordered) pieces of information about this 
but I really do not feel up to prepare a talk covering the topic 
systematically...
If it does not matter...

Tomáš

# >First, I would like to thank Alan, Luigi, Pablo and Henri for their pieces
# >of help and information.
# >
# >
# >Summary:
# >
# >
# >(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
# >
# ># Alan: /usr/local/share/color/icc/ghostscript
# >
# >This must be dependent on the version of operating system or on something
# >else because on computers I have permission to work on no this subtree is 
present.
# >
# ># Luigi: tex/texmf-context/colors/icc
# >
# >In standalone versions I tried during March and April and Pablo in June, 
there is really this special directory
# >but we found there only one of the files -- default_gray.icc. Other 
default*.icc files
# >(default_cmyk.icc, default_rgb.icc) which are mentioned at 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A
# >were not present. Similarly at http://www.eci.org/en/downloads.
# >
# ># Henri:  
http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip
# >
# >Good deal -- here one can really find all three default*.icc files mentioned 
at
# >http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A, but with no visible link to the
# >mentioned zipfile from this page.
# >
# >
# >
# >(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and 
garden installations,
# >(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
# >
# ># Luigi: They are not included in texlive for some copyright issues.
# >
# >What is the difference between texlive copyright approach and context 
standalone copyright approach?
# >
# >I read a few documents about licences for icc files and it seemed to me that 
the redistribution is possible,
# >for non-commercial use without restrictions, the redistributor is obliged 
only to add the corresponding
# >licence document to the software containing the icc file(s) and must not 
change the name of the file(s).
# >
# >So, is possible to add the missing two default*.icc files to the context 
standalone version?
# >
# >
# >
# >(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is
# >PDF/a compliant when these icc files are not present and the whole content
# >of the document is only in black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
# >
# ># No reaction. :-)
# >
# >This question is important only if the default*.icc files are not (will not 
be) present and used when the PDF file is generated.
# >Has somebody got any idea whether the PDF/A without icc files is accepted as 
PDF/A or not?
# >
# >
# >
# >The best,
# >
# >Tomáš
# >
# >---
# >
# >Tue, Jun 19, 2018 ve 09:38:55AM +1200 Henri Menke napsal(a):
# >#
# >#
# ># On 19/06/18 03:20, Tomas Hala wrote:
# ># >Hi all,
# ># >
# ># >at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A I found the following:
# ># >
# ># >"
# ># >In ConTeXt mkiv, in order to create such a compliant PDF/A file, one can 
do as follows: first install (or check that they are present) the following 
color profiles files
# ># >
# ># >default_cmyk.icc
# ># >default_gray.icc
# ># >default_rgb.icc
# ># >ISOcoated_v2_300_eci.icc
# ># >
# ># >into tex/texmf-context/colors/icc/profiles of your Context standalone 
directory. The default_*.icc files are part of ghostscript...
# ># >"
# ># >
# ># >So I checked that they are present (CentOS 6.6, GPL Ghostscript 8.70) and
# ># >I discovered that these files are not present at any ConTeXt (or TeX) 
installation from TeXlive
# ># >neither as separate files, nor at file 
context/colors/icc/context/colorprofiles.xml.
# ># >
# ># >Only default_gray.icc is present as a part of ConTeXt installations from 
our garden.
# ># >
# ># >Therefore, I would like to ask
# ># >(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
# ># >(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive 
and garden installations,
# ># >(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
# ># >(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) 
is PDF/a compliant when these
# ># >icc files are not present and the whole content of the document is only 
in black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
# >#
# ># wget http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip
# ># unzip complete_ICC_profiles.zip -d /opt/context/tex/texmf-local
# >#
# ># >
# ># >Our university decided to be "PDF/a compliant", that is the reason why I 
am asking.
# ># >
# ># >Best wishes,
# ># >
# ># >Tomáš
# ># >
# ># 

Re: [NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files? -- II.

2018-07-20 Thread Hans Hagen

On 7/20/2018 5:05 PM, Tomas Hala wrote:

Hi all,

I would like to open the PDF/A topic once more.


maybe discuss it at the upcoming ctx meeting ... you can prepare a 
summative talk about it (including the demands for following some standard)




First, I would like to thank Alan, Luigi, Pablo and Henri for their pieces
of help and information.


Summary:


(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,

# Alan: /usr/local/share/color/icc/ghostscript

This must be dependent on the version of operating system or on something
else because on computers I have permission to work on no this subtree is 
present.

# Luigi: tex/texmf-context/colors/icc

In standalone versions I tried during March and April and Pablo in June, there 
is really this special directory
but we found there only one of the files -- default_gray.icc. Other 
default*.icc files
(default_cmyk.icc, default_rgb.icc) which are mentioned at 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A
were not present. Similarly at http://www.eci.org/en/downloads.

# Henri:  http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip

Good deal -- here one can really find all three default*.icc files mentioned at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A, but with no visible link to the
mentioned zipfile from this page.



(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and 
garden installations,
(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and

# Luigi: They are not included in texlive for some copyright issues.

What is the difference between texlive copyright approach and context 
standalone copyright approach?

I read a few documents about licences for icc files and it seemed to me that 
the redistribution is possible,
for non-commercial use without restrictions, the redistributor is obliged only 
to add the corresponding
licence document to the software containing the icc file(s) and must not change 
the name of the file(s).

So, is possible to add the missing two default*.icc files to the context 
standalone version?



(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is
PDF/a compliant when these icc files are not present and the whole content
of the document is only in black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).

# No reaction. :-)

This question is important only if the default*.icc files are not (will not be) 
present and used when the PDF file is generated.
Has somebody got any idea whether the PDF/A without icc files is accepted as 
PDF/A or not?



The best,

Tomáš

---

Tue, Jun 19, 2018 ve 09:38:55AM +1200 Henri Menke napsal(a):
#
#
# On 19/06/18 03:20, Tomas Hala wrote:
# >Hi all,
# >
# >at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A I found the following:
# >
# >"
# >In ConTeXt mkiv, in order to create such a compliant PDF/A file, one can do 
as follows: first install (or check that they are present) the following color 
profiles files
# >
# >default_cmyk.icc
# >default_gray.icc
# >default_rgb.icc
# >ISOcoated_v2_300_eci.icc
# >
# >into tex/texmf-context/colors/icc/profiles of your Context standalone 
directory. The default_*.icc files are part of ghostscript...
# >"
# >
# >So I checked that they are present (CentOS 6.6, GPL Ghostscript 8.70) and
# >I discovered that these files are not present at any ConTeXt (or TeX) 
installation from TeXlive
# >neither as separate files, nor at file 
context/colors/icc/context/colorprofiles.xml.
# >
# >Only default_gray.icc is present as a part of ConTeXt installations from our 
garden.
# >
# >Therefore, I would like to ask
# >(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
# >(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and 
garden installations,
# >(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
# >(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is 
PDF/a compliant when these
# >icc files are not present and the whole content of the document is only in 
black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
#
# wget http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip
# unzip complete_ICC_profiles.zip -d /opt/context/tex/texmf-local
#
# >
# >Our university decided to be "PDF/a compliant", that is the reason why I am 
asking.
# >
# >Best wishes,
# >
# >Tomáš
# >
# 
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Re: [NTG-context] Questions to PDF/A compliant documents: missing ICC files? -- II.

2018-07-20 Thread Tomas Hala
Hi all,

I would like to open the PDF/A topic once more.

First, I would like to thank Alan, Luigi, Pablo and Henri for their pieces
of help and information.


Summary:


(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,

# Alan: /usr/local/share/color/icc/ghostscript

This must be dependent on the version of operating system or on something
else because on computers I have permission to work on no this subtree is 
present.

# Luigi: tex/texmf-context/colors/icc

In standalone versions I tried during March and April and Pablo in June, there 
is really this special directory
but we found there only one of the files -- default_gray.icc. Other 
default*.icc files
(default_cmyk.icc, default_rgb.icc) which are mentioned at 
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A
were not present. Similarly at http://www.eci.org/en/downloads.

# Henri:  http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip

Good deal -- here one can really find all three default*.icc files mentioned at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A, but with no visible link to the
mentioned zipfile from this page.



(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and 
garden installations,
(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and

# Luigi: They are not included in texlive for some copyright issues.

What is the difference between texlive copyright approach and context 
standalone copyright approach?

I read a few documents about licences for icc files and it seemed to me that 
the redistribution is possible,
for non-commercial use without restrictions, the redistributor is obliged only 
to add the corresponding 
licence document to the software containing the icc file(s) and must not change 
the name of the file(s).

So, is possible to add the missing two default*.icc files to the context 
standalone version?



(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is
PDF/a compliant when these icc files are not present and the whole content
of the document is only in black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).

# No reaction. :-)

This question is important only if the default*.icc files are not (will not be) 
present and used when the PDF file is generated.
Has somebody got any idea whether the PDF/A without icc files is accepted as 
PDF/A or not?



The best,

Tomáš

---

Tue, Jun 19, 2018 ve 09:38:55AM +1200 Henri Menke napsal(a):
# 
# 
# On 19/06/18 03:20, Tomas Hala wrote:
# >Hi all,
# >
# >at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PDF/A I found the following:
# >
# >"
# >In ConTeXt mkiv, in order to create such a compliant PDF/A file, one can do 
as follows: first install (or check that they are present) the following color 
profiles files
# >
# >default_cmyk.icc
# >default_gray.icc
# >default_rgb.icc
# >ISOcoated_v2_300_eci.icc
# >
# >into tex/texmf-context/colors/icc/profiles of your Context standalone 
directory. The default_*.icc files are part of ghostscript...
# >"
# >
# >So I checked that they are present (CentOS 6.6, GPL Ghostscript 8.70) and
# >I discovered that these files are not present at any ConTeXt (or TeX) 
installation from TeXlive
# >neither as separate files, nor at file 
context/colors/icc/context/colorprofiles.xml.
# >
# >Only default_gray.icc is present as a part of ConTeXt installations from our 
garden.
# >
# >Therefore, I would like to ask
# >(a) where I can find the set of original default*.icc files,
# >(b) what is the reason why these files are not included in the TeXlive and 
garden installations,
# >(c) if it is possible to add it there for future, and
# >(d) if the produced PDF (with \setupbackend[format={pdf/a-1b:2005}...]) is 
PDF/a compliant when these
# >icc files are not present and the whole content of the document is only in 
black (i.e. no grayscale, no colours).
# 
# wget http://dl.contextgarden.net/misc/iccprofiles/complete_ICC_profiles.zip
# unzip complete_ICC_profiles.zip -d /opt/context/tex/texmf-local
# 
# >
# >Our university decided to be "PDF/a compliant", that is the reason why I am 
asking.
# >
# >Best wishes,
# >
# >Tomáš
# >
# 
>___
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