Re: [NTG-context] Tables for newbies [WAS Re: imbalanced columns]
2010/7/16 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد > Hi Peter, > > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:05:19 -0600, Peter Münster wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 15 2010, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: >> >> Question for all: for MkIV, should we recommend ONLY natural tables to >>> newcomers, e.g., in a ConTeXt Book? >>> >> >> Hello Idris, >> >> For me, it's yes! But newcomers need to pay attention in some cases: >> - alignment (see issue http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=427 ) >> - TABLEhead is repeated, TABLEfoot is not >> (see issue http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=116 ) >> > > Sure, hopefully by the time we get to that point the bugs will be fixed. > > I also see that Wolfgang has wrapped some of the old Tables syntax into a > module (as Aditya hinted)... I missed all of these developments :-) > > The Tables syntax is certainly less verbose, and may be useful for > beginners. But for pedagogical purposes it makes sense to consider > Table/Tables deprecated, if not obsolete... So the pedagogical challenge is > to make TABLE as easy as possible, perhaps teaching \start/stopTABLE as > intro and \b/eTABLE as advanced. > > > A top-down approach 1) \bTABLE 2) \starttabulate 3) chapter 22 of TeXbook 1) is much easy than 2) which is much easy than 3 1) is slower than 2) which is slower than 3) -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Tables for newbies [WAS Re: imbalanced columns]
Hi Peter, On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:05:19 -0600, Peter Münster wrote: On Thu, Jul 15 2010, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Question for all: for MkIV, should we recommend ONLY natural tables to newcomers, e.g., in a ConTeXt Book? Hello Idris, For me, it's yes! But newcomers need to pay attention in some cases: - alignment (see issue http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=427 ) - TABLEhead is repeated, TABLEfoot is not (see issue http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=116 ) Sure, hopefully by the time we get to that point the bugs will be fixed. I also see that Wolfgang has wrapped some of the old Tables syntax into a module (as Aditya hinted)... I missed all of these developments :-) The Tables syntax is certainly less verbose, and may be useful for beginners. But for pedagogical purposes it makes sense to consider Table/Tables deprecated, if not obsolete... So the pedagogical challenge is to make TABLE as easy as possible, perhaps teaching \start/stopTABLE as intro and \b/eTABLE as advanced. Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Tables for newbies [WAS Re: imbalanced columns]
On Thu, Jul 15 2010, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: > Question for all: for MkIV, should we recommend ONLY natural tables to > newcomers, e.g., in a ConTeXt Book? Hello Idris, For me, it's yes! But newcomers need to pay attention in some cases: - alignment (see issue http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=427 ) - TABLEhead is repeated, TABLEfoot is not (see issue http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=116 ) Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Tables for newbies [WAS Re: imbalanced columns]
On 15-7-2010 7:45, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: Hi Aditya, On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:37:32 -0600, Aditya Mahajan wrote: Have you tried using natural tables. Now you can use them with almost the same amount of typing as the old table macros. \startTABLE \NC text 1 \NC text 2 \NC\NR \NC text 3 \NC text 4 \NC\NR \stopTABLE Question for all: for MkIV, should we recommend ONLY natural tables to newcomers, e.g., in a ConTeXt Book? I have not used Natural Tables too much, but I can switch to those for future work and consider Tables deprecated for most purposes. Mainly a pedagogical/practical question: better to have one good way to do things than burdening folks with too much info... and you have a high level interface of \setupTABLE (although I do not know if natural tables support equal column widths) I guess we'll find out soon enough... ;-) \bTABLE .. \eTABLE \starttabulate .. \stoptabulate tabulate is quite different and has unique properties (there are also linetables but those are only for source code readers) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Tables for newbies [WAS Re: imbalanced columns]
2010/7/15 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد > Hi Aditya, > > On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:37:32 -0600, Aditya Mahajan > wrote: > > Have you tried using natural tables. Now you can use them with almost the >> same amount of typing as the old table macros. >> \startTABLE >> \NC text 1 \NC text 2 \NC\NR >> \NC text 3 \NC text 4 \NC\NR >> \stopTABLE >> > > Question for all: for MkIV, should we recommend ONLY natural tables to > newcomers, e.g., in a ConTeXt Book? > > I have not used Natural Tables too much, but I can switch to those for > future work and consider Tables deprecated for most purposes. > > I use only 1) b\TABLE\eTABLE 2) \starttabulate\stoptabulate -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Tables for newbies [WAS Re: imbalanced columns]
Hi Aditya, On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:37:32 -0600, Aditya Mahajan wrote: Have you tried using natural tables. Now you can use them with almost the same amount of typing as the old table macros. \startTABLE \NC text 1 \NC text 2 \NC\NR \NC text 3 \NC text 4 \NC\NR \stopTABLE Question for all: for MkIV, should we recommend ONLY natural tables to newcomers, e.g., in a ConTeXt Book? I have not used Natural Tables too much, but I can switch to those for future work and consider Tables deprecated for most purposes. Mainly a pedagogical/practical question: better to have one good way to do things than burdening folks with too much info... and you have a high level interface of \setupTABLE (although I do not know if natural tables support equal column widths) I guess we'll find out soon enough... ;-) Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shīʿī Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
