Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt Companion
Stable users that is. Joh (on unstable, which even has a packaged LuaTeX snapshot - thanks guys!) Martin Schröder wrote: > 2007/4/14, Idris Samawi Hamid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> As for MKII/pdfTeX1, it makes no sense making a book for a stalled >> branch; > > debian users will continue to use pdfTeX1 for at least 10 years, I fear. > :-) > > Best >Martin > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt Companion
2007/4/14, Idris Samawi Hamid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As for MKII/pdfTeX1, it makes no sense making a book for a stalled branch; debian users will continue to use pdfTeX1 for at least 10 years, I fear. :-) Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt Companion
> > book for those who only want to use the dvi format? > > > hey, it's not that bad ... After all it's DeVice Independent. Maybe today it sounds better if we say 'output format independant' ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt Companion
Ulf Martin wrote: > With ConTeXt there is, of course, the "excursion" (equiv. to (1)) and > the manual (2), but many important issues (the phantastic XML processing > capabilities, bibliography stuff, typography, font management,...) are > not quite complete or covered elsewhere (i.e. situation 3). > concerning xml ... i will update that manual once we have mkiv in place; currently xml processing has some dark corners when tex and xml are used mixed but this will go away; i also have some experimental xml manipulation code laying around (filtering, replacing, etc). In this respect mkiv will be quite powerfull for xml Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt Companion
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: > On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:58:11 -0600, Patrick Gundlach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> ... ConTeXt would probably stabilize, which IMHO is not a good thing. >> One thing I really love ConTeXt for is the speed new techniques are >> adopted (pdf features, luatex,...) One day we might have a ConTeXt >> MKII book for those who are afraid of swithing to pdftex2. >> > > Hmm, we had this discussion in Epen... > > I think that enough of the high-level interface is stable enough that a > thorough ConTeXt book will be useful, particularly after luaTeX/pdfTeX2. I > recall a particular someone at Epen volunteering to set up a working > committee on this, even to write the book himself if no one volunteers to > help soon... > :D :D :D > > As for MKII/pdfTeX1, it makes no sense making a book for a stalled branch; > pdfTeX1 will go the way of the original TeX engine. Who today will write a > book for those who only want to use the dvi format? > hey, it's not that bad ... functionality will not change but mkiv - will have less to no input encoding and font encoding mess to be explained - font installation wil be easier due to lack of encodings - some functionality will be more robust due to node postprocessing (hidden for user) - some new stuff (for idris -) So ... apart from some chapters, much mkii/mkiv descriptions are the same Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt Companion
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:58:11 -0600, Patrick Gundlach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... ConTeXt would probably stabilize, which IMHO is not a good thing. > One thing I really love ConTeXt for is the speed new techniques are > adopted (pdf features, luatex,...) One day we might have a ConTeXt > MKII book for those who are afraid of swithing to pdftex2. Hmm, we had this discussion in Epen... I think that enough of the high-level interface is stable enough that a thorough ConTeXt book will be useful, particularly after luaTeX/pdfTeX2. I recall a particular someone at Epen volunteering to set up a working committee on this, even to write the book himself if no one volunteers to help soon... :D :D :D As for MKII/pdfTeX1, it makes no sense making a book for a stalled branch; pdfTeX1 will go the way of the original TeX engine. Who today will write a book for those who only want to use the dvi format? Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt Companion
With ConTeXt there is, of course, the "excursion" (equiv. to (1)) and the manual (2), but many important issues (the phantastic XML processing capabilities, bibliography stuff, typography, font management,...) are not quite complete or covered elsewhere (i.e. situation 3). I totally agree. There are of course documents about the last topics you mention (not to talk about the mailing list, of course), but they seems to need a more general introduction, at least for me. I'd like to have a book covering all the aspects so that you a conceptual frame which unifies the whole stuff. Then, you can procede by yourself in a more organized way. By the way, a similar issue has been raised about SuperCollider, which in my esperience is similar for documentation to ConTeXt. Many deep documents, a huge work by the developers, some good intro/ tutorial, but no a complete book. The situation has now evolved in a project about a SC book which has been submitted to MIT Press. In any case, I cannot understand how people can go back to LaTeX, I mean from a user's perpsective. I'm a total ConTeXt ignorant but, just using setups, I've created A1 musical scores involving metapost and importing external files, A0 academic posters using layers so much better then powerpoint, an on-going book full of syntax colorized code...I just wouldn't started with LaTeX :-) Best -a- Ulf ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -- Andrea Valle -- CIRMA - DAMS Università degli Studi di Torino --> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ --> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information. (Annabel Chong) ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt Companion
Patrick Gundlach schrieb: >> Now, if we had "The ConTeXt Companion" ... > > ... ConTeXt would probably stabilize, which IMHO is not a good thing. > One thing I really love ConTeXt for is the speed new techniques are > adopted (pdf features, luatex,...) One day we might have a ConTeXt > MKII book for those who are afraid of swithing to pdftex2. I don't think that The ConTeXt Companion (TCC) would halt ConTeXt development. The LaTeX Companion (TLC) didn't do that for LaTeX. Now, TLC was in 1st edition from 1994 to 2004, meaning that it was quite outdated in the end (one reason for me, btw, to look around wether there are other options to do teXing, and discovering ConTeXt). But it kept the reference situation in a well defined three step state: (1) look into one of the small LaTeX guides; (2) look into TLC; (3) look into package docs, internet etc. (which is, of course messy). My experience is that one rarely needed to go past (2). With ConTeXt there is, of course, the "excursion" (equiv. to (1)) and the manual (2), but many important issues (the phantastic XML processing capabilities, bibliography stuff, typography, font management,...) are not quite complete or covered elsewhere (i.e. situation 3). Ulf ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] The ConTeXt Companion
[...] > Now, if we had "The ConTeXt Companion" ... ... ConTeXt would probably stabilize, which IMHO is not a good thing. One thing I really love ConTeXt for is the speed new techniques are adopted (pdf features, luatex,...) One day we might have a ConTeXt MKII book for those who are afraid of swithing to pdftex2. Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki and more: http://contextgarden.net ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] The ConTeXt Companion (was: Interesting interview)
Jelle Huisman schrieb: > Op 13-apr-2007, om 9:20 heeft Aditya Mahajan het volgende geschreven: > >> While starting ConTeXt, I found ConTeXt an excrusion and ConTeXt >> manual to be extremely well written, much better than what I had read >> for LaTeX (but then, I never bought a LaTeX book). What do you find >> missing in the ConTeXt documentation that a book should cover? > > In Epen we discussed 'the book' and a 'ConTeXt cookbook'. I think > that this discussion shows that it would be good for the ConTeXt > community to have a book published by a publisher (like AW), but > someone (or a small committee) has to coordinate it. I agree! The documentation situation of ConTeXt is rather messy. Some stuff on the wiki, many, many PDFs with cryptic names and some years old. LaTeX since ages has "lshort" as the quick standard intro (and of course numerous others) and then the mighty 1100+ pages tome Mittelbach et al. "The LaTeX Companion" where most things can be found that even the anvanced user might need (recently it appeared in a second edition, thus probably securing LaTeXs leading position for another decade...). http://www.amazon.com/dp/0201362996 Now, if we had "The ConTeXt Companion" ;-) Cheers Ulf ___ ntg-context mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
