[NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
Dear All, since ConTeXt lacks support for embedding 3D models (U3D or PRC) into PDF (btw, is pdf annotations support in context/luatex combination fit for end-user or is "in transition"?) I have tried to embed some 3D PDFs from http://asymptote.sourceforge.net/gallery/3D%20graphs/ and http://www.iaas.msu.ru/tmp/u3d/pdf/ using \externalfigure[3dpf.pdf] \startpagefigure[3dpdf.pdf]\stoppagefigure \copypages[3dpdf.pdf][n=1] but only the preview (flat) images show up, not the 3D model, that must appear after clicking on it in Adobe Reader. File size shows that the 3D annotation data was not taken from the 3D PDF file into ConTeXt output. Any advice on possible workarounds? Any hope for ConTeXt fixes? Or making a link to an external PDF file is the only option for now? Sincerely, Michail PS. I have seen the code from Renaud AUBIN in the "U3D (embedded 3D objects)" thread, http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2006/020220.html but it is too ugly and old a hack to start any work from. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
Hi Michail, See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/ Regards, Renaud Michail Vidiassov a écrit : > Dear All, > > since ConTeXt lacks support for embedding 3D models (U3D or PRC) into PDF > (btw, is pdf annotations support in context/luatex combination fit for > end-user or is "in transition"?) > I have tried to embed some 3D PDFs from > http://asymptote.sourceforge.net/gallery/3D%20graphs/ > and > http://www.iaas.msu.ru/tmp/u3d/pdf/ > using > \externalfigure[3dpf.pdf] > \startpagefigure[3dpdf.pdf]\stoppagefigure > \copypages[3dpdf.pdf][n=1] > but only the preview (flat) images show up, > not the 3D model, that must appear after clicking on it in Adobe Reader. > File size shows that the 3D annotation data was not taken from the 3D PDF > file into ConTeXt output. > > Any advice on possible workarounds? Any hope for ConTeXt fixes? > > Or making a link to an external PDF file is the only option for now? > >Sincerely, Michail > > PS. > I have seen the code from Renaud AUBIN in the "U3D (embedded 3D objects)" > thread, > http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2006/020220.html > but it is too ugly and old a hack to start any work from. > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the > Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___ > > > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Renaud Aubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Michail, > > See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/ > > Regards, > > Renaud How do you make this http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/new3dartwork/models/context.u3d -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/PhD/aubin-slides.pdf as a use case (pages 17 and 25). Let me know if you want the full source code... Renaud Renaud Aubin a écrit : > Hi Michail, > > See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/ > > Regards, > > Renaud > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion... luigi scarso a écrit : > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Renaud Aubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi Michail, >> >> See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/ >> >> Regards, >> >> Renaud >> > > How do you make this > http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/new3dartwork/models/context.u3d > > > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:53:33 -0700, Renaud Aubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion... What is Blender -- the name is too generic for google... Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Renaud Aubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion... Nothing open source ? -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:53:33 -0700, Renaud Aubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion... > > What is Blender -- the name is too generic for google... http://www.blender.org -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
Oups... too fast : + using .3ds as an intermediate format : blend --> 3ds --> u3d Renaud Aubin a écrit : > Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion... > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
Dne sobota 22. novembra 2008 je Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد napisal(a): > What is Blender -- the name is too generic for google... http://www.blender.org/ Cheers, Matija -- gsm: +386 41 849 552 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://matija.suklje.name aim: hookofsilver icq: 110183360 jabber/g-talk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yahoo: matija_suklje GPG/PGP fingerprint: FB64 FFAF B8DA 5AB5 B18A 98B8 2B68 0B51 0549 D278 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
Blender is... but u3d export is not possible with open source tools in 2006/ early 2007 luigi scarso a écrit : > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Renaud Aubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion... >> > Nothing open source ? > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
See http://www.blender.org/ and http://www.righthemisphere.com/products/dexp/de_std.html (I've used an old windows version of Deep Exploration) Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد a écrit : > On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:53:33 -0700, Renaud Aubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion... >> > > What is Blender -- the name is too generic for google... > > Idris > > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
Great, i've googlized and found http://artandlogic.blogspot.com/2008/08/blender-to-acrobat-3d.html then http://meshlab.sourceforge.net/ It's worth to give a try to this CAD chain! Renaud Aubin a écrit : > Blender is... but u3d export is not possible with open source tools in > 2006/ early 2007 > > > luigi scarso a écrit : > >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Renaud Aubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion... >>> >>> >> Nothing open source ? >> >> > > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the > Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___ > > > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:57:58 -0700, Matija Šuklje <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.blender.org/ On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:10:56 -0700, Renaud Aubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > See http://www.blender.org/ and > http://www.righthemisphere.com/products/dexp/de_std.html (I've used an > old windows version of Deep Exploration) Thank you, Matija and Renaud! Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
See http://www.blender.org/ and http://www.righthemisphere.com/products/dexp/de_std.html (I've used an old windows version of Deep Exploration) Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد a écrit : > On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:53:33 -0700, Renaud Aubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion... >> > > What is Blender -- the name is too generic for google... > > Idris > > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:50 PM, luigi scarso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Renaud Aubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion... > Nothing open source ? I mean for u3d files.. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
Dear All, Renaud Aubin wrote: > See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/ while the macros there are a great improvement from what was posted on the list and look extandable for my purposes (thanks, Renaud), the other question remains - does it make sense to try to implement 3d model embedding in proper way for public use now or the underlying luatex/context part has not been developed/updated yet? LuaTeX roadmap promised that "Think of annotations and object management. The first code will show up later in 2008." Did it? Is there a ConTeXt API to it? Is it planned to come in some future? Or spec-pdf dated 1997.09.20 is what we are to live with? Sincerely, Michail ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Michail Vidiassov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Dear All, > > Renaud Aubin wrote: > > See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/ > > while the macros there are a great improvement from > what was posted on the list and look extandable for my purposes > (thanks, Renaud), > the other question remains - does it make sense to try to implement > 3d model embedding in proper way for public use now or the underlying > luatex/context part has not been developed/updated yet? > > LuaTeX roadmap promised that > "Think of annotations and object management. The first code will show up > later in 2008." > Did it? > Is there a ConTeXt API to it? > Is it planned to come in some future? > Or spec-pdf dated 1997.09.20 is what we are to live with? > > Sincerely, Michail > > BTW, If you are able to make some samples with context mkiv, please do them and then wikifi it. Something is better than nothing . ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
Michail Vidiassov wrote: > Dear All, > > Renaud Aubin wrote: >> See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/ > > while the macros there are a great improvement from > what was posted on the list and look extandable for my purposes > (thanks, Renaud), > the other question remains - does it make sense to try to implement > 3d model embedding in proper way for public use now or the underlying > luatex/context part has not been developed/updated yet? > > LuaTeX roadmap promised that > "Think of annotations and object management. The first code will show up > later in 2008." > Did it? > Is there a ConTeXt API to it? > Is it planned to come in some future? > Or spec-pdf dated 1997.09.20 is what we are to live with? spec-fdf and spec-pdf are occasionally extended (but nowadays pdf itself is not so much evolving) there will bea dedicated luatex/mkiv backend module next year; first i need to rewrite lots of other code (currently i'm redoing the reference related code, and when that's done, the backend rewriting is easier) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
Dear Luigi and All, On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, luigi scarso wrote: >> Renaud Aubin wrote: >> > See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/ >> >> while the macros there are a great improvement from >> what was posted on the list and look extandable for my purposes >> the other question remains - does it make sense to try to implement >> 3d model embedding in proper way for public use now or the underlying >> luatex/context part has not been developed/updated yet? > > BTW, If you are able to make some samples with context mkiv, please do them > and then wikifi it. > Something is better than nothing . Renaud's "u3d" inclusion macros seem to be modeled after "mov" inclusion. But including movies does not work for me in minimals (see my post on that). Sincerely, Michail ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Michail Vidiassov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Dear Luigi and All, > > On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, luigi scarso wrote: > > >> Renaud Aubin wrote: > >> > See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/ > >> > >> while the macros there are a great improvement from > >> what was posted on the list and look extandable for my purposes > >> the other question remains - does it make sense to try to implement > >> 3d model embedding in proper way for public use now or the underlying > >> luatex/context part has not been developed/updated yet? > > > > BTW, If you are able to make some samples with context mkiv, please do > them and then wikifi it. > > Something is better than nothing . > > Renaud's "u3d" inclusion macros seem to be modeled after "mov" inclusion. > But including movies does not work for me in minimals (see my post on > that). > Sorry Michail , but I'm really busy in others context MkIV area. BTW, I found that download mails from http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/ sometimes help -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] embedding 3d pdf
Dear All, I am slowly implementing Subj. for mkiv + luatex combo and it already kinda works.. Is there anyone on the list now interested in testing/using it? Sincerely, Michail ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
