[NTG-context] overprinting black

2023-10-21 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm

Hi, esp. Hans,

while finalizing the PDF for our latest book, I recognized a color problem:
The general black color is rendered not 100% black in CMYK mode, but in 
all channels (converted RGB, I guess).


With

\definecolor[cmykblack][k=1]
\setupcolors[textcolor=cmykblack]

this is ok, but the color mode is knockout instead of overprint (as it 
would be usual for CMYK black). That means, black text on a photo is 
white in the other plates.


If I define

\definecolor[cmykblack][k=1,a=multiply,t=1]
\setupcolors[textcolor=cmykblack]

it’s ok in some places, but it messes up many unrelated places, e.g. 
most images then also use this transparency mode.


\setupcolors[intent=overprint]
has no effect, as far as could find (while we have a warning in the 
wiki, that you should use this only for grayscale works).


What can I do?

Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] overprinting black

2022-11-09 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context

Am 09.11.22 um 17:22 schrieb Duncan Hothersall:
Have you tried overprint=yes? I have that in old files which used to 
work under mkii. I must admit I haven't had the need to use overprinting 
since then, but I do recall that come colour handling wasn't ported 
across to mkiv or later.


Thank you for the hint, but it doesn’t work, neither in \setupcolors nor 
in \definecolor.


Hraban

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Re: [NTG-context] overprinting black

2022-11-09 Thread Duncan Hothersall via ntg-context
Have you tried overprint=yes? I have that in old files which used to work
under mkii. I must admit I haven't had the need to use overprinting since
then, but I do recall that come colour handling wasn't ported across to
mkiv or later.

Duncan

On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 at 16:12, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

> I’m not sure if this ever worked, but at least in latest LMTX it doesn’t:
>
> """
> \setupcolors[state=start,cmyk=yes,rgb=no,intent=overprint]
>
> \starttext
>
> \framed[
>background=color,
>backgroundcolor=yellow,
> ]{\ss\bfd
>Black should always overprint.
> }
>
> \stoptext
> """
>
> The black text and frame border don’t overprint the yellow background
> but knockout. The only way to check this (that I know of) is Acrobat
> Pro’s separation simulation; the screenshot shows a snippet of the
> yellow separation.
>
> Actually, setting “overprint” for all colors doesn’t make sense, it
> should be a setting for single color (but default for black):
>
> % desired interface:
> \definecolor[overBlack][k=1,intent=overprint]
>
> Hraban
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[NTG-context] overprinting black

2022-11-09 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context

I’m not sure if this ever worked, but at least in latest LMTX it doesn’t:

"""
\setupcolors[state=start,cmyk=yes,rgb=no,intent=overprint]

\starttext

\framed[
  background=color,
  backgroundcolor=yellow,
]{\ss\bfd
  Black should always overprint.
}

\stoptext
"""

The black text and frame border don’t overprint the yellow background 
but knockout. The only way to check this (that I know of) is Acrobat 
Pro’s separation simulation; the screenshot shows a snippet of the 
yellow separation.


Actually, setting “overprint” for all colors doesn’t make sense, it 
should be a setting for single color (but default for black):


% desired interface:
\definecolor[overBlack][k=1,intent=overprint]

Hraban
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