Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts for chapters with different authors

[jbf via ntg-context]

Thanks for the bits and pieces to the puzzle. I'll do my best to make 
sense of them and solve the problem.


Julian

On 19/3/22 20:18, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:

Hi Julian,

you’re right, the example didn’t do what you wanted, and it didn’t 
intend to.


Using \getmarking you can get a section title (or another “mark”), you 
can’t combine it with the variable commands, and you don’t need it for 
your case.


https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/getmarking isn’t really helpful 
since there’s no example with section titles, but it shows you can 
also get previous or next “marks”.


BTW, I can’t remember when you need \structurevariable vs. 
\namedstructurevariable...


Hraban


Am 19.03.22 um 03:16 schrieb jbf via ntg-context:
I might need a little more help just to understand how best to adapt 
this to my situation:


One thing is clear: I was attempting to use a 'list' variable, and I 
can see why that was an error, since it is headertexts, not TOC that 
I want to influence.


But let me simplify my situation:

You seem to suggest initially that I could use \structureuservariable 
(or \structurevariable) instead, especially since I already have a 
variable to call on, e.g \startchapter[title={My title}][author={A. 
uthor}]. But in the example you then gave, you made no use of either 
of these.


My current setting is:

\setupheadertexts   [{\hfill\getmarking[chapter]\hfill}][] 
[{\hfill\documentvariable{metadata:title}\hfill}][]


which gives me the book title centred on verso pages, and the chapter 
title centred on recto pages. All I want to do is to have the chapter 
contributors' name for each chapter instead of the chapter title.


So why can't I create a setups along the lines of:

\startsetups[contributor] \getmarking[\structureuservariable{author}] 
\stopsetups


Then just swap 'chapter' in \setupheadertexts, with 'contributor'? I 
tried it but it doesn't work. I thought it would be logical. Clearly 
I'm wrong but don't appreciate why.


Julian

On 18/3/22 18:52, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:

The *list* variables work only in lists.

There’s also \structurevariable and \structureuservariable.

Make sure you use setups for the header, otherwise the variable gets 
expanded only once at the beginning.


Like in:

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
\setupheadertexts[] % empty
\setupheadertexts[\setups{text right}][][][\setups{text left}]

\startsetups[text right]
\rlap{\pagenumber}
\hfill
\getmarking[chapter]
\hfill
\llap{Un Nom}
\stopsetups

\startsetups[text left]
\rlap{Una Person}
\hfill
\getmarking[section]
\hfill
\llap{\pagenumber}
\stopsetups 


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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts for chapters with different authors

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 3/19/2022 10:18 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:

BTW, I can’t remember when you need \structurevariable vs. 
\namedstructurevariable...
the first is the current, the second a specific one ... so current can 
be subsubsubsubsubsection but with named you can still get the current 
chapter


BTW, best write it down (your book) some place as it can come in handy ...

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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts for chapters with different authors

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Hi Julian,

you’re right, the example didn’t do what you wanted, and it didn’t 
intend to.


Using \getmarking you can get a section title (or another “mark”), you 
can’t combine it with the variable commands, and you don’t need it for 
your case.


https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/getmarking isn’t really helpful 
since there’s no example with section titles, but it shows you can also 
get previous or next “marks”.


BTW, I can’t remember when you need \structurevariable vs. 
\namedstructurevariable...


Hraban


Am 19.03.22 um 03:16 schrieb jbf via ntg-context:
I might need a little more help just to understand how best to adapt 
this to my situation:


One thing is clear: I was attempting to use a 'list' variable, and I can 
see why that was an error, since it is headertexts, not TOC that I want 
to influence.


But let me simplify my situation:

You seem to suggest initially that I could use \structureuservariable 
(or \structurevariable) instead, especially since I already have a 
variable to call on, e.g \startchapter[title={My title}][author={A. 
uthor}]. But in the example you then gave, you made no use of either of 
these.


My current setting is:

\setupheadertexts   [{\hfill\getmarking[chapter]\hfill}][]   
[{\hfill\documentvariable{metadata:title}\hfill}][]


which gives me the book title centred on verso pages, and the chapter 
title centred on recto pages. All I want to do is to have the chapter 
contributors' name for each chapter instead of the chapter title.


So why can't I create a setups along the lines of:

\startsetups[contributor] \getmarking[\structureuservariable{author}] 
\stopsetups


Then just swap 'chapter' in \setupheadertexts, with 'contributor'? I 
tried it but it doesn't work. I thought it would be logical. Clearly I'm 
wrong but don't appreciate why.


Julian

On 18/3/22 18:52, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:

The *list* variables work only in lists.

There’s also \structurevariable and \structureuservariable.

Make sure you use setups for the header, otherwise the variable gets 
expanded only once at the beginning.


Like in:

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
\setupheadertexts[] % empty
\setupheadertexts[\setups{text right}][][][\setups{text left}]

\startsetups[text right]
\rlap{\pagenumber}
\hfill
\getmarking[chapter]
\hfill
\llap{Un Nom}
\stopsetups

\startsetups[text left]
\rlap{Una Person}
\hfill
\getmarking[section]
\hfill
\llap{\pagenumber}
\stopsetups 


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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts for chapters with different authors

[jbf via ntg-context]

Sorry, of course I meant swap 'chapter' with \setups{contributor}

J

On 19/3/22 13:16, jbf wrote:

Then just swap 'chapter' in \setupheadertexts, with 'contributor'?

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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts for chapters with different authors

[jbf via ntg-context]

I might need a little more help just to understand how best to adapt 
this to my situation:


One thing is clear: I was attempting to use a 'list' variable, and I can 
see why that was an error, since it is headertexts, not TOC that I want 
to influence.


But let me simplify my situation:

You seem to suggest initially that I could use \structureuservariable 
(or \structurevariable) instead, especially since I already have a 
variable to call on, e.g \startchapter[title={My title}][author={A. 
uthor}]. But in the example you then gave, you made no use of either of 
these.


My current setting is:

\setupheadertexts   [{\hfill\getmarking[chapter]\hfill}][]   
[{\hfill\documentvariable{metadata:title}\hfill}][]


which gives me the book title centred on verso pages, and the chapter 
title centred on recto pages. All I want to do is to have the chapter 
contributors' name for each chapter instead of the chapter title.


So why can't I create a setups along the lines of:

\startsetups[contributor] \getmarking[\structureuservariable{author}] 
\stopsetups


Then just swap 'chapter' in \setupheadertexts, with 'contributor'? I 
tried it but it doesn't work. I thought it would be logical. Clearly I'm 
wrong but don't appreciate why.


Julian

On 18/3/22 18:52, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:

The *list* variables work only in lists.

There’s also \structurevariable and \structureuservariable.

Make sure you use setups for the header, otherwise the variable gets 
expanded only once at the beginning.


Like in:

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
\setupheadertexts[] % empty
\setupheadertexts[\setups{text right}][][][\setups{text left}]

\startsetups[text right]
\rlap{\pagenumber}
\hfill
\getmarking[chapter]
\hfill
\llap{Un Nom}
\stopsetups

\startsetups[text left]
\rlap{Una Person}
\hfill
\getmarking[section]
\hfill
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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts for chapters with different authors

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 18.03.22 um 10:13 schrieb jbf via ntg-context:
Off list for the moment. Late at night where I am. I will take a look at 
this more closely on the morrow. Thanks.


You’re welcome.

BTW I answered with some German last time since I mixed up jbf and juh – 
the latter I know to be German.


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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts for chapters with different authors

[jbf via ntg-context]

Off list for the moment. Late at night where I am. I will take a look at 
this more closely on the morrow. Thanks.


Julian

On 18/3/22 18:52, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:

\setupheadertexts[] % empty
\setupheadertexts[\setups{text right}][][][\setups{text left}]

\startsetups[text right]
\rlap{\pagenumber}
\hfill
\getmarking[chapter]
\hfill
\llap{Un Nom}
\stopsetups

\startsetups[text left]
\rlap{Una Person}
\hfill
\getmarking[section]
\hfill
\llap{\pagenumber}
\stopsetups 

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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts for chapters with different authors

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 18.03.22 um 01:48 schrieb jbf via ntg-context:
I thought this should work, since \structurelistuservariable{author} 
works fine to call the author name into the TOC, but the same does not 
work for header texts it seems:


\setupheadertexts

[{\hfill\getmarking[\structurelistuservariable{author}]\hfill}][]

[{\hfill\documentvariable{metadata:title}\hfill}][]

But it doesn't. What am I doing wrong?


The *list* variables work only in lists.

There’s also \structurevariable and \structureuservariable.

Make sure you use setups for the header, otherwise the variable gets 
expanded only once at the beginning.


Like in:

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
\setupheadertexts[] % empty
\setupheadertexts[\setups{text right}][][][\setups{text left}]

\startsetups[text right]
\rlap{\pagenumber}
\hfill
\getmarking[chapter]
\hfill
\llap{Un Nom}
\stopsetups

\startsetups[text left]
\rlap{Una Person}
\hfill
\getmarking[section]
\hfill
\llap{\pagenumber}
\stopsetups


HTH
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[NTG-context] \setupheadertexts for chapters with different authors

[jbf via ntg-context]

I thought this should work, since \structurelistuservariable{author} 
works fine to call the author name into the TOC, but the same does not 
work for header texts it seems:


\setupheadertexts

[{\hfill\getmarking[\structurelistuservariable{author}]\hfill}][]

[{\hfill\documentvariable{metadata:title}\hfill}][]

But it doesn't. What am I doing wrong?

Julian
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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts not working when text contains \subject

[Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context]

> On 14 Jan 2022, at 07:48, Hans Hagen  wrote:
> 
> Ponder this:
> 
>  [{\stylePageHeader{\structureuservariable{author}}}]
> 
> versus this:
> 
>  [{\stylePageHeader{\namedstructureuservariable{chapter}{author}}}]
> 
> and you can guess what happens.

Thank-you for the quick response. It looks like I've been very lucky in my use 
of \structureuservariable so far. :-)
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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts not working when text contains \subject

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 1/14/2022 12:05 AM, Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context wrote:

I've found an unexpected interaction between \setupheadertexts and the \subject 
command, and I'm hoping that someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong.

Version:  current version: 2022.01.10 08:36

I'm trying to set a book whereby
- chapter title pages have no headers
- left hand (even) pages have the chapter title in the left header and the book 
title in the right header
- right hand (odd) pages have the book title in the left header and the 
author's name in the right header

The following MWE does this perfectly provided the \subject line is 
commented-out. When the \subject line is included then the author name 
disappears - there's just a blank space in the header.

MWE:
\setuppagenumbering
   [ alternative=doublesided,
 location={footer},
   ]
\definefont [stylePageHeader] [Serif at 10pt]
   
\startsetups ChapterSetup

   \setupheadertexts
 [{\stylePageHeader {My Book}}]  
[{\stylePageHeader{\structureuservariable{author}}}]
 [{\stylePageHeader{\getmarking[Chapter]}}]  [{\stylePageHeader {My 
Book}}] 
   \setupheader[state=empty]
\stopsetups


Ponder this:

  [{\stylePageHeader{\structureuservariable{author}}}]

versus this:

  [{\stylePageHeader{\namedstructureuservariable{chapter}{author}}}]

and you can guess what happens.


\definehead [Chapter] [chapter]
\setuphead[Chapter]
   [ page=right,
 number=no,
 before={\setups{ChapterSetup}},
   ]
   
\starttext

\startChapter[title={The Strange Case of the Missing Header}] [author={Bruce}]

\dorecurse{10}{
%\subject{A heading}
\input Knuth
\par
}

\stopChapter
\stoptext


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[NTG-context] \setupheadertexts not working when text contains \subject

[Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context]

I've found an unexpected interaction between \setupheadertexts and the \subject 
command, and I'm hoping that someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong.

Version:  current version: 2022.01.10 08:36

I'm trying to set a book whereby
- chapter title pages have no headers
- left hand (even) pages have the chapter title in the left header and the book 
title in the right header
- right hand (odd) pages have the book title in the left header and the 
author's name in the right header

The following MWE does this perfectly provided the \subject line is 
commented-out. When the \subject line is included then the author name 
disappears - there's just a blank space in the header.

MWE:
\setuppagenumbering
  [ alternative=doublesided,
location={footer},
  ]
\definefont [stylePageHeader] [Serif at 10pt]
  
\startsetups ChapterSetup
  \setupheadertexts
[{\stylePageHeader {My Book}}]  
[{\stylePageHeader{\structureuservariable{author}}}]
[{\stylePageHeader{\getmarking[Chapter]}}]  [{\stylePageHeader {My 
Book}}]  
  \setupheader[state=empty]
\stopsetups

\definehead [Chapter] [chapter]
\setuphead[Chapter]
  [ page=right,
number=no,
before={\setups{ChapterSetup}},
  ]
  
\starttext
\startChapter[title={The Strange Case of the Missing Header}] [author={Bruce}]

\dorecurse{10}{
%\subject{A heading}
\input Knuth
\par
}

\stopChapter
\stoptext


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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts \setupfootertexts

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/2/2019 11:36 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

Hans Hagen schrieb am 02.08.2019 um 23:10:

On 8/2/2019 10:26 PM, Alan Braslau wrote:


\setupheader [lefttext=,leftoddtext=,middletext=,...]

This would be logical.

we have a lot or areas ... and if you really want you can do this ...

\setuplayouttext
  [header][text]
  [lefttext=L,
   middletext=M,
   righttext=\doifoddpageelse{RO}{RE}]

\setuplayouttext
  [footer][text]
  [lefttext=L,
   middletext=M,
   righttext=\doifoddpageelse{RO}{RE}]

\setuppagenumbering
  [alternative=doublesided]

\starttext
   test \page test \page test
\stoptext

Has been there for ages ... (but I never use that method).

I has the same question a few years ago but I never used it
because it has a few limitations like missing style/color support.

\setuplayouttext[header][text][lefttext=L,middletext=M,righttext=R]

%\setupheadertexts[M]
%\setupheadertexts[L][R]

\setupheader
   [color=red,style=bold]

\setuppagenumbering
   [alternative=doublesided]

\starttext
\dorecurse{2}{\page[dummy]}
\stoptext

I can look into that but only when there is no speed penalty

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts \setupfootertexts

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/2/2019 11:59 PM, Alan Braslau wrote:

On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 23:36:47 +0200
Wolfgang Schuster  wrote:


we have a lot or areas ... and if you really want you can do this ...

\setuplayouttext

Has been there for ages ... (but I never use that method).


I has the same question a few years ago but I never used it
because it has a few limitations like missing style/color support.


I am looking for a simple and obvious way of setting header and footer
texts. The \setupheadertexts has limitations and I view this as
historical, for ConTeXt commands have evolved over time usually towards
better solutions, even if we leave in place for reasons of backward
compatibility habits that can be hard to quit.

One example is \setuppapersize [page=letter,paper=letter]
(sorry, and I *do* much prefer A4).
This is, I believe, far superior to \setuppapersize [letter] [letter]


Do you find that keys in \setupheader make sense? If so, what choice?
(as we like to limit the proliferation of key names).
actually there is not really a \setupheader as these are shortcuts to a 
few kind of generic commands that set up properties of these areas (a 
matrix) on the one hand, and set the content with a different command


(also, this part of context is quite optimized deep down because 
checking 25 areas for all possible properties each page flush is costly, 
so it would be a major rewrite with little gain; it would also mean 
dropping \setuphead etc and using one command for everything ... not 
something i want to do in the middle of other transitions like 
mkiv->mkxl and such)


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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts \setupfootertexts

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/2/2019 11:59 PM, Alan Braslau wrote:

On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 23:36:47 +0200
Wolfgang Schuster  wrote:


we have a lot or areas ... and if you really want you can do this ...

\setuplayouttext

Has been there for ages ... (but I never use that method).


I has the same question a few years ago but I never used it
because it has a few limitations like missing style/color support.


I am looking for a simple and obvious way of setting header and footer
texts. The \setupheadertexts has limitations and I view this as
historical, for ConTeXt commands have evolved over time usually towards
better solutions, even if we leave in place for reasons of backward
compatibility habits that can be hard to quit.


What limitations? \foo[{sometext}] is not that different from 
\foo[text={sometext}] and often I do


\setupheadertexts[\setups[header}]

\startsetups
  lots of stuff
\stopsetups

because you don't want to add all kind of stuff in a value.


One example is \setuppapersize [page=letter,paper=letter]
(sorry, and I *do* much prefer A4).
This is, I believe, far superior to \setuppapersize [letter] [letter]


A matter of taste but we're not going to drop something ... that kind of 
compatibility has always been a principle. If one has few docs it's no 
problem to adapt a few styles but it's a no go otherwise (and I'm not 
even speaking of adapting all kind of manuals, examples, etc etc.)


And for most of those commands there are k/v varianst too.

(\setuppapersize actually takes lists as page setups can be more complex 
than just 'letter')


(But I'm willing to remove the command that I know you hate most, namely 
{ {foo} \over {bar} }.)



Do you find that keys in \setupheader make sense? If so, what choice?
(as we like to limit the proliferation of key names).

\setupheader is used for styling and such, not for content.

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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts \setupfootertexts

[Alan Braslau]

On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 23:36:47 +0200
Wolfgang Schuster  wrote:

> > we have a lot or areas ... and if you really want you can do this ...
> >
> > \setuplayouttext
> >
> > Has been there for ages ... (but I never use that method).  
>
> I has the same question a few years ago but I never used it
> because it has a few limitations like missing style/color support.

I am looking for a simple and obvious way of setting header and footer
texts. The \setupheadertexts has limitations and I view this as
historical, for ConTeXt commands have evolved over time usually towards
better solutions, even if we leave in place for reasons of backward
compatibility habits that can be hard to quit.

One example is \setuppapersize [page=letter,paper=letter]
(sorry, and I *do* much prefer A4).
This is, I believe, far superior to \setuppapersize [letter] [letter]


Do you find that keys in \setupheader make sense? If so, what choice?
(as we like to limit the proliferation of key names).

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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts \setupfootertexts

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Hans Hagen schrieb am 02.08.2019 um 23:10:

On 8/2/2019 10:26 PM, Alan Braslau wrote:


\setupheader [lefttext=,leftoddtext=,middletext=,...]

This would be logical.

we have a lot or areas ... and if you really want you can do this ...

\setuplayouttext
  [header][text]
  [lefttext=L,
   middletext=M,
   righttext=\doifoddpageelse{RO}{RE}]

\setuplayouttext
  [footer][text]
  [lefttext=L,
   middletext=M,
   righttext=\doifoddpageelse{RO}{RE}]

\setuppagenumbering
  [alternative=doublesided]

\starttext
   test \page test \page test
\stoptext

Has been there for ages ... (but I never use that method).

I has the same question a few years ago but I never used it
because it has a few limitations like missing style/color support.

\setuplayouttext[header][text][lefttext=L,middletext=M,righttext=R]

%\setupheadertexts[M]
%\setupheadertexts[L][R]

\setupheader
  [color=red,style=bold]

\setuppagenumbering
  [alternative=doublesided]

\starttext
\dorecurse{2}{\page[dummy]}
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts \setupfootertexts

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/2/2019 10:26 PM, Alan Braslau wrote:


\setupheader [lefttext=,leftoddtext=,middletext=,...]

This would be logical.

we have a lot or areas ... and if you really want you can do this ...

\setuplayouttext
  [header][text]
  [lefttext=L,
   middletext=M,
   righttext=\doifoddpageelse{RO}{RE}]

\setuplayouttext
  [footer][text]
  [lefttext=L,
   middletext=M,
   righttext=\doifoddpageelse{RO}{RE}]

\setuppagenumbering
  [alternative=doublesided]

\starttext
   test \page test \page test
\stoptext

Has been there for ages ... (but I never use that method).

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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts \setupfootertexts

[Alan Braslau]

On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 21:08:00 +0200
Wolfgang Schuster  wrote:

Thank you



> When you use three arguments the first is used for the position of text, 
> i.e. above the text, margin or edge areas.

I know this, and I find the syntax unfortunate, to say the least.

> Only six or seven arguments work in this case but this only useful in a 
> double sided document.

Indeed, a double-sided (asymmetric) document.
And it is pretty unwieldy.

> You need a new command for this because adding an assignment option can 
> produce unexpected results, e.g. the example below won't work anymore.
> 
> \setupheadertexts[{\date[d=...,m=...,y=...]}]

Well, what would make sense?
I would have no problem dropping/ignoring this (historic) command.
How about:

\setupheader [left=,leftodd=,middle=,...]
\setupfooter

or

\setupheader [lefttext=,leftoddtext=,middletext=,...]

This would be logical.

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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts \setupfootertexts

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Alan Braslau schrieb am 02.08.2019 um 20:29:

Hello,

\setupheadertexts [{center}]
sets a centered header (and wipes-out any left and right header)

\setupheadertexts [{left}] [{right}]
sets the left and right headers (and keeps the centered header)

\setupheadertexts [{left odd}] [{right odd}] [{left even}] [{right even}]
sets the left and right headers for even and odd pages
(perhaps I have this backwards?)



(1) It would be useful to have
\setupheadertexts [{left}] [{center}] [{right}]
but this does not work.
In this case, we probably also need a *six* argument version (even/odd).
When you use three arguments the first is used for the position of text, 
i.e. above the text, margin or edge areas.


Only six or seven arguments work in this case but this only useful in a 
double sided document.

(2) It would also be useful that
\setupheadertexts [{center}]
NOT wipe-out left and right if they are set
(but I could live with this perhaps historical behavior if we were to have (1).)

(3) It is a bit messy that one must use
\setupheader []
\setupheader [left] [right]
*two calls* in order to have no centered header.
(Again, I could live with
\setupheader [left] [] [right]
if we were to have (1).)


Similarly for footertexts, of course.
What is the reasoning, presently?



ALTERNATIVELY (or additionally), we could have

\setupheadertexts [center={center},
left={left},
lefteven={left, even},
...]

which would be even cleaner.
You need a new command for this because adding an assignment option can 
produce unexpected results, e.g. the example below won't work anymore.


\setupheadertexts[{\date[d=...,m=...,y=...]}]

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[NTG-context] \setupheadertexts \setupfootertexts

[Alan Braslau]

Hello,

\setupheadertexts [{center}]
sets a centered header (and wipes-out any left and right header)

\setupheadertexts [{left}] [{right}]
sets the left and right headers (and keeps the centered header)

\setupheadertexts [{left odd}] [{right odd}] [{left even}] [{right even}]
sets the left and right headers for even and odd pages
(perhaps I have this backwards?)



(1) It would be useful to have
\setupheadertexts [{left}] [{center}] [{right}]
but this does not work.
In this case, we probably also need a *six* argument version (even/odd).

(2) It would also be useful that
\setupheadertexts [{center}]
NOT wipe-out left and right if they are set
(but I could live with this perhaps historical behavior if we were to have (1).)

(3) It is a bit messy that one must use
\setupheader []
\setupheader [left] [right]
*two calls* in order to have no centered header.
(Again, I could live with
\setupheader [left] [] [right]
if we were to have (1).)


Similarly for footertexts, of course.
What is the reasoning, presently?



ALTERNATIVELY (or additionally), we could have

\setupheadertexts [center={center},
   left={left},
   lefteven={left, even},
   ...]

which would be even cleaner.

Thanks,

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] Setupheadertexts with if-condition

[Huseyin Özoguz]

\doifelsemarking

or

\doifelsetext 


Thanks, that worked. My final solution (just for the archive, it seems 
to be more suitable than the solution in the wiki):


\define\CustomHeader{%
   \cap{
    \doifelsetext{\getmarking[chapter]}%
        {Kapitel \getmarking[chapternumber]: \getmarking[chapter]}%
            {\doifelsetext{\getmarking[section]}
                {\getmarking[section]}
                {}
            }%
        }
}

\setupheadertexts[][\CustomHeader{}{~\|~}\pagenumber][\pagenumber][]

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Am 10.04.2019 um 13:26 schrieb Hans Hagen:

\doifelsemarking

or

\doifelsetext

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Re: [NTG-context] Setupheadertexts with if-condition

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/10/2019 12:29 PM, Huseyin Özoguz wrote:

Hello mailing list,

I want to use an simple if-condition for this code:

\setupheadertexts [][][][{\tfx\bf\getmarking[chapternumber] – 
\getmarking[chapter]}]


My problem: In my case the document dont begin with a chapter but with a 
section. So at the first pages there is not chapter and chapternumber 
and the "–" is printed alone.


So I want something like this:

\if\getmarking[chapternumber]
{\getmarking[chapternumber] – \getmarking[chapter]}
\fi

\doifelsemarking

or

\doifelsetext

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[NTG-context] Setupheadertexts with if-condition

[Huseyin Özoguz]

Hello mailing list,

I want to use an simple if-condition for this code:

\setupheadertexts [][][][{\tfx\bf\getmarking[chapternumber] – 
\getmarking[chapter]}]


My problem: In my case the document dont begin with a chapter but with a 
section. So at the first pages there is not chapter and chapternumber 
and the "–" is printed alone.


So I want something like this:

\if\getmarking[chapternumber]
{\getmarking[chapternumber] – \getmarking[chapter]}
\fi

That is of course no valid code. How to implement that if-condition?

Thanks!

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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts except on pages with title of chapter

[Fabrice Couvreur]

Hi Pablo,
In fact, I looked up after asking my question and found the answer. I
should not have asked my question !
Fabrice

2017-09-07 17:31 GMT+02:00 Pablo Rodriguez :

> On 09/07/2017 04:43 PM, Fabrice Couvreur wrote:
> > Hi Pablo,
> > Thanks but I'm confused because I found the answer on the wiki.
>
> Hi Fabrice,
>
> and which is the problem? Had you searched the answer before and you
> didn’t found it that search?
>
> No problem. Probably you were spending too much time with the computer.
> You needed a break ;-).
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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts except on pages with title of chapter

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 09/07/2017 04:43 PM, Fabrice Couvreur wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
> Thanks but I'm confused because I found the answer on the wiki.

Hi Fabrice,

and which is the problem? Had you searched the answer before and you
didn’t found it that search?

No problem. Probably you were spending too much time with the computer.
You needed a break ;-).

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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts except on pages with title of chapter

[Fabrice Couvreur]

HI Pablo,
Hi Pablo,
Thanks but I'm confused because I found the answer on the wiki.
Fabrice

2017-09-07 6:35 GMT+02:00 Pablo Rodriguez :

> On 09/06/2017 11:04 PM, Fabrice Couvreur wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I would like that on the pages with the title of the chapter the header
> > is empty.
>
> Hi Fabrice,
>
> this is the command you need:
>
>   \setuphead[chapter][header=empty]
>
> I hope it helps,
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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts except on pages with title of chapter

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 09/06/2017 11:04 PM, Fabrice Couvreur wrote:
> Hello,
> I would like that on the pages with the title of the chapter the header
> is empty.

Hi Fabrice,

this is the command you need:

  \setuphead[chapter][header=empty]

I hope it helps,

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[NTG-context] \setupheadertexts except on pages with title of chapter

[Fabrice Couvreur]

Hello,
I would like that on the pages with the title of the chapter the header is
empty.
Fabrice

\setupheadertexts[{\getmarking[section]}][pagenumber]
  [{\getmarking[chapter]}][pagenumber]

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=,location=]
\starttext
\placelist[chapter,section][alternative=c]
\startchapter[title={First chapter}]
\startsection[title={First section}]
  \dorecurse{5}{\input knuth}
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[NTG-context] \setupheadertexts [section]

[Alan BRASLAU]

Hello,

\setupheadertexts [chapter]

will center the current chapter title (or abbreviated version using
marking=) in the running page headers.

However, how can one also put unnumbered chapter-level titles
(\starttitle\stoptitle) in the running headers?

\setupheadertexts [chapter,title]
seems natural but does not work.


Also, what seems to be a bug, the running text does *not* get reset to
empty upon leaving the chapter. Below is a minimal illustration
(nonworking as it is incomplete, only a snippet)

\setupheadertexts [chapter]

\starttext

\startpart % lets have some structure...

Some introductory text...

\startchapter [title=Getting started]

Some text...

\stopchapter

\page [yes]

Some trailing remarks...
% the header here still contains Getting started

\stoppart

\stoptext


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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts [section]

[Otared Kavian]

Hi Alan,

I think the reason is that ConTeXt expects any text to be part of a certain 
structure as in
Chapter  Section  Subsection
and therefore what you add after your chapter, that is

 \page [yes]
 
 Some trailing remarks…

should be part of a new chapter (or maybe an unnumbered chapter).

Best regards: OK

On 26 mars 2013, at 11:37, Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr wrote:

 Hello,
 
 \setupheadertexts [chapter]
 
 will center the current chapter title (or abbreviated version using
 marking=) in the running page headers.
 
 However, how can one also put unnumbered chapter-level titles
 (\starttitle\stoptitle) in the running headers?
 
 \setupheadertexts [chapter,title]
 seems natural but does not work.
 
 
 Also, what seems to be a bug, the running text does *not* get reset to
 empty upon leaving the chapter. Below is a minimal illustration
 (nonworking as it is incomplete, only a snippet)
 
 \setupheadertexts [chapter]
 
 \starttext
 
 \startpart % lets have some structure...
 
 Some introductory text...
 
 \startchapter [title=Getting started]
 
 Some text...
 
 \stopchapter
 
 \page [yes]
 
 Some trailing remarks...
 % the header here still contains Getting started
 
 \stoppart
 
 \stoptext
 
 
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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts [section]

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 12:00:49 +0100
Otared Kavian ota...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think the reason is that ConTeXt expects any text to be part of a
 certain structure as in Chapter  Section  Subsection
 and therefore what you add after your chapter, that is
 
  \page [yes]
  
  Some trailing remarks…  
 
 should be part of a new chapter (or maybe an unnumbered chapter).
 
 Best regards: OK

It is part of a certain structure: part...
No logic should require chapter or lower structure. After all, what is
the point of \stopchapter in that case?
The same can occur within a chapter, when one leaves a section.
One should just go back up one level, as is the case for the
introductory remarks.


Also, I tried putting a unnumbered chapter
(\starttitle\stoptitle). Indeed, this corresponds to the first part of
my question concering \setupheadertexts [chapter,title].

I supposed that one can try to cheat:
\startchapter [title=,placehead=no,incrementnumber=no,...]
but this is not very elegant.

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Re: [NTG-context] setupheadertexts + kap/uppercase

[Hans Hagen]

Tobias Burnus wrote:


Hello,

Sebastian Rooks schrieb:
 


Did you try with a \fetchmark[chapter][first] as explained on the wiki ?
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Headers_and_Footers , section 2 Using
capitals
   



That indeed worked. (I looked at ConTeXtgarden, but I seemingly missed
the right keyword in my search :-( shame on me.)

Anyway, \uppercase have some problems. I get with
---
\enableregime[utf]
\setupheadertexts[][{\expanded{\uppercase{\fetchmark[chapter][first]}}}]

\starttext
\chapter{Einf�hrung} % EINF�HRUNG
\uppercase{���} % should be ��SS
\stoptext
---

��� (�� should be �SS) and in the header I get EINF�HRUNG.
 



here \uppercase will also uppercase the CHAPTER and FIRST keywords an 
dtherefore fail


\WORD

does a bit more (i.e. it also applies everyuppercase and such which will   
remap symbolic names which works better than mapping chars

\enableregime[utf]

\setupheadertexts[][{\WORD{\fetchmark[chapter][first]}}]

\starttext
\chapter{Einf\udiaeresis hrung}

\stoptext

(your utf got lost in the mail) 



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Re: [NTG-context] setupheadertexts + kap/uppercase

[Tobias Burnus]

Hello,

Hans Hagen schrieb:
 \WORD

Hmm, using
  \WORD{Hell\odiaeresis\udiaeresis\ssharp}
it works, but if I replace the symbolic names by UTF-8 characters:
  \WORD{Hö}
I get:
! Undefined control sequence.
\unicodechar ...harnumber #1\futurelet \nextglyph
  \dounicodechar
\douppercase ...rstoftwoarguments \edef \ascii {#1
  }\edef \ascii
{\expandafte...

\WORD ...ORD \firstofoneargument \douppercase {#1}
  \egroup
l.6 \WORD{Hö}

 *  *  *

I also have troubles with PDF bookmarks/outlines and UTF-8 characters.
They are converted into unichar
If I use F\udiaeresis r then I get the Für. Any ideas?

Tobias

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Re: [NTG-context] setupheadertexts + kap/uppercase

[Hans Hagen]

Tobias Burnus wrote:


Hello,

Hans Hagen schrieb:
 


\WORD
   



Hmm, using
 \WORD{Hell\odiaeresis\udiaeresis\ssharp}
it works, but if I replace the symbolic names by UTF-8 characters:
 \WORD{Hö}
I get:
! Undefined control sequence.
\unicodechar ...harnumber #1\futurelet \nextglyph
 \dounicodechar
\douppercase ...rstoftwoarguments \edef \ascii {#1
 }\edef \ascii
{\expandafte...

\WORD ...ORD \firstofoneargument \douppercase {#1}
 \egroup
l.6 \WORD{Hö}

*  *  *

I also have troubles with PDF bookmarks/outlines and UTF-8 characters.
They are converted into unichar
 

the WORD with utf works ok here; i will upload an update asap (there 
have been some 'improvements' to the unicode handler)


Hans

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[NTG-context] setupheadertexts + kap/uppercase

[Tobias Burnus]

Hello,

I think I have a expand problem.

I want to have
 
\setupheadertexts[pagenumber][{\getmarking[chapter][current]}][section][pagenumber]
with the chapter in \uppercase/\kaps. The problem is that
adding a \uppercase or  \kap before the {\getmarking} ends up with
nothing and all my attemps with expand* ended up with either the same
result or with a TeX error message.

Using \setupheader[style=kap] (or =cap) does not work - as TeX bails out:
! Undefined control sequence.
\p!doifinstringelse ...ifinstringelse #2#1}@@\war

Any idea how to solve this?

Tobias

PS: I just saw that I asked the same question two years ago (15 January
2004):
http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg02175.html
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Re: [NTG-context] setupheadertexts + kap/uppercase

[Sebastian Rooks]

Hello,

Did you try with a \fetchmark[chapter][first] as explained on the wiki ?

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Headers_and_Footers , section 2 Using 
capitals


Yours,

  SeB

Tobias Burnus a écrit :

Hello,

I think I have a expand problem.

I want to have
 
\setupheadertexts[pagenumber][{\getmarking[chapter][current]}][section][pagenumber]

with the chapter in \uppercase/\kaps. The problem is that
adding a \uppercase or  \kap before the {\getmarking} ends up with
nothing and all my attemps with expand* ended up with either the same
result or with a TeX error message.

Using \setupheader[style=kap] (or =cap) does not work - as TeX bails out:
! Undefined control sequence.
\p!doifinstringelse ...ifinstringelse #2#1}@@\war

Any idea how to solve this?

Tobias

PS: I just saw that I asked the same question two years ago (15 January
2004):
http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg02175.html
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Re: [NTG-context] setupheadertexts + kap/uppercase

[Tobias Burnus]

Hello,

Sebastian Rooks schrieb:
 Did you try with a \fetchmark[chapter][first] as explained on the wiki ?
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Headers_and_Footers , section 2 Using
 capitals

That indeed worked. (I looked at ConTeXtgarden, but I seemingly missed
the right keyword in my search :-( shame on me.)

Anyway, \uppercase have some problems. I get with
---
\enableregime[utf]
\setupheadertexts[][{\expanded{\uppercase{\fetchmark[chapter][first]}}}]

\starttext
\chapter{Einführung} % EINFÜHRUNG
\uppercase{ÄÖÜäöüß} % should be ÄÖÜÄÖÜSS
\stoptext
---

ÄÖÜÄÖüß (üß should be ÜSS) and in the header I get EINFßHRUNG.

Tobias

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[NTG-context] setupheadertexts

[Severin Obertuefer]

hi

I defined e new head like this:

\definehead[class][subject]
\setuphead[class][placehead=no]

in the text I defined a head as

\class{TRANSLATOR\_APPLICATION}

in my header I want to have the follwoing output:
Exercise 5 - TRANSLATOR_APPLICATION
i tried \setupheadertexts[Exercise 5 - class] but then the output is:
Exercise 5 - class]

how can I get what I want?

if I only type \setupheadertexts[class] then the output is
TRANSLATOR_APPLICATION

thx for help

severin

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Re: [NTG-context] setupheadertexts

[Tobias Burnus]

Hi,

On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 08:13:37PM +0100, Severin Obertuefer wrote:
 in my header I want to have the follwoing output:
 Exercise 5 - TRANSLATOR_APPLICATION
You miss the command \getmarking. Try the following:

-
\definehead[class][subject]
\setuphead[class][placehead=no]

\setupheadertexts[{Exercise 5 - \getmarking[class]}]

\class{TRANSLATOR\_APPLICATION}
\bye
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Re: [NTG-context] \setupheadertexts

[John Culleton]

On Monday 18 August 2003 18:32, Tobias Burnus wrote:
 Hi,

 John Culleton wrote:
  I want to have chapter names in the header text and I want them in
  boldface.

 How about:
   \setupheader[text][style=bold]
   \setupheadertexts[text][My book][chapter]

 or alternatively,
   \setupheadertexts[text][{\bf My book}][{\it \getmarking[chapter]}]

 Tobias

Well, I am almost home! My customer now prefers Small Caps letterspaced 
rather than  bold.  So I used example two above and an earlier post 
from Bill McClain to come up with this combination:

%First, the macros for extended (letterspaced) text:

\def\CapStretchAmount{.18em}
\def\CapStretch#1{\def\stretchedspaceamount{\CapStretchAmount}
\stretchednormalcase{#1}}

%Then the header text macro:

\setupheadertexts[text][][{\sc \getmarking[chapter]}][{\CapStretch{\sc 
The Health Seeker's Handbook}}][]

Out of  this melange I get small caps extended for the book title on the 
verso header.  But I can't seem to find the combination for both 
\CapStretch and \getmarking on the recto header.  Any attempt to insert 
\CapStretch on that side converts the chapter name back to the literal 
word chapter.  I have tried brackets, curly braces etc. in various 
combinations.

Any hints appreciated.  
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