Re: [NTG-context] PDF 2.0 standard documents now free

[Ulrike Fischer via ntg-context]

Am Thu, 6 Apr 2023 09:02:10 +0200 schrieb Hans Hagen via
ntg-context:

>> You can put in arbitrary data and then download.
>> I don’t think it will become any more free.

>> 
>> indeed, but then:  why don't  we put them on the wiki site / another 
>> free site ?
> 
>> Any legal restrictions ?

Yes, the copy I got has in the footer 

Sold by the PDF Association to Ulrike Fischer  | April 5, 2023 |
Single user only, copying and networking prohibited.

I wouldn't distribute it for the same reason I wouldn't distribute
pdf copies of the TeXbook.

> What happens when the sponsors withdraw? 

What should happen? I bought a copy at a very good price (0€) and
now own it. If the sponsorship ends and the price goes up to 200 CHF
again nothing changes for me. 

> What is there are updates (unlikely anyway).

Amendments to ISO document typically have to be buyed too, e.g.
amendment 1 (which is part of the bundled offered by pdfa) normally
costs 17 CHF. 

Personally I think that the PDF Association made a very good job
here (they worked hard on it), I'm quite grateful for it and I hope
that there will more of these offers (personally I would like to get
pdf/A-4 and the upcomming pdf/UA-2).


-- 
Ulrike Fischer 
http://www.troubleshooting-tex.de/

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Re: [NTG-context] PDF 2.0 standard documents now free

[luigi scarso via ntg-context]

On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 09:02, Hans Hagen via ntg-context 
wrote:

> On 4/6/2023 8:07 AM, luigi scarso via ntg-context wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 07:54, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
> > mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
> >
> > Am 05.04.23 um 20:09 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> >  > On 4/5/2023 7:48 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
> >  >> Forwarding from Mastodon:
> >  >>
> >  >> Adobe, Apryse, Foxit and PDFAssociation have partnered up and
> made
> >  >> ISO32000-2 2020 (aka PDF 2.0),
> >  >> ISO/TS 32001 (Extensions to Hash Algorithm Support in ISO
> > 32000-2) and
> >  >> ISO/TS 32002 (Extensions to Digital Signatures in ISO 32000-2)
> >  >> available as sponsored papers ... so **FREE**.
> >  >> Follow the links below; no valid email (or address) necessary:
> >  >> https://www.pdfa.org/sponsored-standards/
> > 
> >  > kind of interesting thatthe one from adobe is version 1 and the
> > other one 2
> >  >
> >  > i'll wait till it's really free .. currently it still costs EUR
> > 0, so
> >  > one has to fill in some cart / form
> >
> > You can put in arbitrary data and then download.
> > I don’t think it will become any more free.
> >
> >
> > indeed, but then:  why don't  we put them on the wiki site / another
> > free site ?
>
>  > Any legal restrictions ?
>
> Probably okay as long as one doesn't resell it for EUR 0 ...
>
> It all looks a bit weird to me anyway "sponsored standards" esp with
> sponsors mentioned on the cover instead of in thanks 'introduction'.
>
> What happens when the sponsors withdraw? How does that legally work with
> distributing? What is there are updates (unlikely anyway).
>
>
Indeed:  here  pdfa sells to you some books  (at 0€ , but it's always a
sale)
and as a general rule  you cannot  put them on a public site  for a
free download --  and this is the case , in my opinion.
So one has to fill the form with real data (personal or company), because
you are agreeing on a sale.

--
luigi
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Re: [NTG-context] PDF 2.0 standard documents now free

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 4/6/2023 7:53 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:


You can put in arbitrary data and then download.


I'll wait till some chat bot can fill that in for ma, every time a 
unique random set of data.


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] PDF 2.0 standard documents now free

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 4/6/2023 8:07 AM, luigi scarso via ntg-context wrote:



On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 07:54, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context 
mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:


Am 05.04.23 um 20:09 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
 > On 4/5/2023 7:48 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
 >> Forwarding from Mastodon:
 >>
 >> Adobe, Apryse, Foxit and PDFAssociation have partnered up and made
 >> ISO32000-2 2020 (aka PDF 2.0),
 >> ISO/TS 32001 (Extensions to Hash Algorithm Support in ISO
32000-2) and
 >> ISO/TS 32002 (Extensions to Digital Signatures in ISO 32000-2)
 >> available as sponsored papers ... so **FREE**.
 >> Follow the links below; no valid email (or address) necessary:
 >> https://www.pdfa.org/sponsored-standards/

 > kind of interesting thatthe one from adobe is version 1 and the
other one 2
 >
 > i'll wait till it's really free .. currently it still costs EUR
0, so
 > one has to fill in some cart / form

You can put in arbitrary data and then download.
I don’t think it will become any more free.


indeed, but then:  why don't  we put them on the wiki site / another 
free site ?


> Any legal restrictions ?

Probably okay as long as one doesn't resell it for EUR 0 ...

It all looks a bit weird to me anyway "sponsored standards" esp with 
sponsors mentioned on the cover instead of in thanks 'introduction'.


What happens when the sponsors withdraw? How does that legally work with 
distributing? What is there are updates (unlikely anyway).


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] PDF 2.0 standard documents now free

[luigi scarso via ntg-context]

On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 at 07:54, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

> Am 05.04.23 um 20:09 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> > On 4/5/2023 7:48 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
> >> Forwarding from Mastodon:
> >>
> >> Adobe, Apryse, Foxit and PDFAssociation have partnered up and made
> >> ISO32000-2 2020 (aka PDF 2.0),
> >> ISO/TS 32001 (Extensions to Hash Algorithm Support in ISO 32000-2) and
> >> ISO/TS 32002 (Extensions to Digital Signatures in ISO 32000-2)
> >> available as sponsored papers ... so **FREE**.
> >> Follow the links below; no valid email (or address) necessary:
> >> https://www.pdfa.org/sponsored-standards/
> > kind of interesting thatthe one from adobe is version 1 and the other
> one 2
> >
> > i'll wait till it's really free .. currently it still costs EUR 0, so
> > one has to fill in some cart / form
>
> You can put in arbitrary data and then download.
> I don’t think it will become any more free.
>
>
indeed, but then:  why don't  we put them on the wiki site / another free
site ?
Any legal restrictions ?

--
luigi
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Re: [NTG-context] PDF 2.0 standard documents now free

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 05.04.23 um 20:09 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:

On 4/5/2023 7:48 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:

Forwarding from Mastodon:

Adobe, Apryse, Foxit and PDFAssociation have partnered up and made
ISO32000-2 2020 (aka PDF 2.0),
ISO/TS 32001 (Extensions to Hash Algorithm Support in ISO 32000-2) and
ISO/TS 32002 (Extensions to Digital Signatures in ISO 32000-2)
available as sponsored papers ... so **FREE**.
Follow the links below; no valid email (or address) necessary:
https://www.pdfa.org/sponsored-standards/

kind of interesting thatthe one from adobe is version 1 and the other one 2

i'll wait till it's really free .. currently it still costs EUR 0, so 
one has to fill in some cart / form


You can put in arbitrary data and then download.
I don’t think it will become any more free.

Hraban

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Re: [NTG-context] PDF 2.0 standard documents now free

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 4/5/2023 7:48 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:

Forwarding from Mastodon:

Adobe, Apryse, Foxit and PDFAssociation have partnered up and made
ISO32000-2 2020 (aka PDF 2.0),
ISO/TS 32001 (Extensions to Hash Algorithm Support in ISO 32000-2) and
ISO/TS 32002 (Extensions to Digital Signatures in ISO 32000-2)
available as sponsored papers ... so **FREE**.
Follow the links below; no valid email (or address) necessary:
https://www.pdfa.org/sponsored-standards/

kind of interesting thatthe one from adobe is version 1 and the other one 2

i'll wait till it's really free .. currently it still costs EUR 0, so 
one has to fill in some cart / form


Hans


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