Re: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

[Kurt Buff]

You said that- I didn't...

Heh.

And I have a Scanmaster II, so can figure out much of what's going on,
even if I don't have the tools or knowledge to fix it.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 22:01, John Cook  wrote:
> Till my next scheduled maintence. I have 272000 miles on it. They call them 
> idiot lights for a reason. ;-D
> John W. Cook
> Systems Administrator
> Partnership for Strong Families
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:45 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Subject: Re: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> How long do you ignore the check engine light on your dash? :)
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 21:28, John Cook  wrote:
>> Well if it ain't broke don't fix it! ;-)
>> John W. Cook
>> Systems Administrator
>> Partnership for Strong Families
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:54 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues 
>> Subject: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> Not much...
>>
>> I'm looking at logs and such, and coming up with no answers.
>>
>> It works, in spite of the DCA utility saying it's broken, which is
>> really annoying.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 18:00, John Cook  wrote:
>>> Hey Kurt, whatever happened with your UAG issue?
>>> John W. Cook
>>> Systems Administrator
>>> Partnership for Strong Families
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 07:01 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues 
>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>> If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
 The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years 
 ago. Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.

 Thanks,
 Brian Desmond
 br...@briandesmond.com

 w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

 I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
 re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than 
 it is to Ultrabac.

 So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly 
 offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time 
 archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?

 Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
 someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
 problematic in a true DR/BC incident.

 Kurt

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  
 wrote:
> That's not the way it works. :-P
>
> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, 
> I see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>
> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way 
> DPM is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
> traditional backup products.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history 
> do you keep?
>
> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 
> 5 year retention for the archive.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
>> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> BF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>>
>>
>> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
>> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
>> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
>> backing up.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> James
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint sec

Re: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

[John Cook]

Till my next scheduled maintence. I have 272000 miles on it. They call them 
idiot lights for a reason. ;-D
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: Re: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

How long do you ignore the check engine light on your dash? :)

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 21:28, John Cook  wrote:
> Well if it ain't broke don't fix it! ;-)
> John W. Cook
> Systems Administrator
> Partnership for Strong Families
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:54 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Subject: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> Not much...
>
> I'm looking at logs and such, and coming up with no answers.
>
> It works, in spite of the DCA utility saying it's broken, which is
> really annoying.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 18:00, John Cook  wrote:
>> Hey Kurt, whatever happened with your UAG issue?
>> John W. Cook
>> Systems Administrator
>> Partnership for Strong Families
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 07:01 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues 
>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
>>> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years 
>>> ago. Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian Desmond
>>> br...@briandesmond.com
>>>
>>> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
>>> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than 
>>> it is to Ultrabac.
>>>
>>> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly 
>>> offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time 
>>> archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>>>
>>> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
>>> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
>>> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  
>>> wrote:
 That's not the way it works. :-P

 DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
 After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, 
 I see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.

 You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM 
 is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
 traditional backup products.

 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

 To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
 available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
 you keep?

 We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
 currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
 year retention for the archive.

 Kurt

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
> backup of the primary DPM server)
>
>
>
> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
> J
>
>
>
> BF
>
>
>
>
>
> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>
>
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
> backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
>
> ---
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Re: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

[Kurt Buff]

How long do you ignore the check engine light on your dash? :)

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 21:28, John Cook  wrote:
> Well if it ain't broke don't fix it! ;-)
> John W. Cook
> Systems Administrator
> Partnership for Strong Families
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:54 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Subject: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> Not much...
>
> I'm looking at logs and such, and coming up with no answers.
>
> It works, in spite of the DCA utility saying it's broken, which is
> really annoying.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 18:00, John Cook  wrote:
>> Hey Kurt, whatever happened with your UAG issue?
>> John W. Cook
>> Systems Administrator
>> Partnership for Strong Families
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 07:01 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues 
>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
>>> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years 
>>> ago. Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian Desmond
>>> br...@briandesmond.com
>>>
>>> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
>>> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than 
>>> it is to Ultrabac.
>>>
>>> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly 
>>> offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time 
>>> archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>>>
>>> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
>>> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
>>> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  
>>> wrote:
 That's not the way it works. :-P

 DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
 After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, 
 I see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.

 You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM 
 is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
 traditional backup products.

 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

 To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
 available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
 you keep?

 We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
 currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
 year retention for the archive.

 Kurt

 On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
> backup of the primary DPM server)
>
>
>
> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
> J
>
>
>
> BF
>
>
>
>
>
> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>
>
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
> backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
>
> ---
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Re: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

[John Cook]

Well if it ain't broke don't fix it! ;-)
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 11:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

Not much...

I'm looking at logs and such, and coming up with no answers.

It works, in spite of the DCA utility saying it's broken, which is
really annoying.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 18:00, John Cook  wrote:
> Hey Kurt, whatever happened with your UAG issue?
> John W. Cook
> Systems Administrator
> Partnership for Strong Families
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 07:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
>> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years ago. 
>> Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Desmond
>> br...@briandesmond.com
>>
>> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
>> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than it 
>> is to Ultrabac.
>>
>> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly 
>> offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time 
>> archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>>
>> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
>> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
>> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  
>> wrote:
>>> That's not the way it works. :-P
>>>
>>> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
>>> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I 
>>> see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>>>
>>> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM 
>>> is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
>>> traditional backup products.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
>>> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
>>> you keep?
>>>
>>> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
>>> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
>>> year retention for the archive.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
 I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
 not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
 a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
 backup of the primary DPM server)



 If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
 J



 BF





 From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: MS DPM Opinions



 Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
 gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
 the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
 backing up.

 Thanks,

 James

 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
   ~

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UAG, was Re: MS DPM Opinions

[Kurt Buff]

Not much...

I'm looking at logs and such, and coming up with no answers.

It works, in spite of the DCA utility saying it's broken, which is
really annoying.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 18:00, John Cook  wrote:
> Hey Kurt, whatever happened with your UAG issue?
> John W. Cook
> Systems Administrator
> Partnership for Strong Families
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 07:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
>> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years ago. 
>> Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Desmond
>> br...@briandesmond.com
>>
>> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
>> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than it 
>> is to Ultrabac.
>>
>> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly 
>> offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time 
>> archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>>
>> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
>> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
>> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  
>> wrote:
>>> That's not the way it works. :-P
>>>
>>> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
>>> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I 
>>> see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>>>
>>> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM 
>>> is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
>>> traditional backup products.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
>>> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
>>> you keep?
>>>
>>> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
>>> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
>>> year retention for the archive.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
 I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
 not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
 a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
 backup of the primary DPM server)



 If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
 J



 BF





 From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: MS DPM Opinions



 Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
 gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
 the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
 backing up.

 Thanks,

 James

 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
   ~

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

[John Cook]

Hey Kurt, whatever happened with your UAG issue?
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 07:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years ago. 
> Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than it 
> is to Ultrabac.
>
> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly offsite 
> backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time archive 
> for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>
> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>> That's not the way it works. :-P
>>
>> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
>> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I 
>> see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>>
>> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM 
>> is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
>> traditional backup products.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
>> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
>> you keep?
>>
>> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
>> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
>> year retention for the archive.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
>>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
>>> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
>>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
>>> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
>>> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
>>> backing up.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> James
>>>
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Re: MS DPM Opinions

[Andrew S. Baker]

Only a little...

I've been looking at virtual tape options from folks like StarWind Software
to bridge the gap.

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On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Brian Desmond wrote:

> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years
> ago. Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some
> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than
> it is to Ultrabac.
>
> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly
> offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time
> archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>
> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to
> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be
> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
> > That's not the way it works. :-P
> >
> > DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up.
> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I
> see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
> >
> > You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way
> DPM is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than
> traditional backup products.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
> >
> > To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have
> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do
> you keep?
> >
> > We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and
> are currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with
> a 5 year retention for the archive.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
> >> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
> >> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
> >> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
> >> backup of the primary DPM server)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
> >> J
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> BF
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
> >> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
> >> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will
> be backing up.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> >>   ~
> >>
>

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

[Kurt Buff]

If we investigate that option further, I'll let folks know what I can.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 15:40, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years ago. 
> Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
> re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than it 
> is to Ultrabac.
>
> So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly offsite 
> backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time archive 
> for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?
>
> Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to 
> someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be 
> problematic in a true DR/BC incident.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>> That's not the way it works. :-P
>>
>> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. 
>> After that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I 
>> see 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>>
>> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM 
>> is designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than 
>> traditional backup products.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
>> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
>> you keep?
>>
>> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
>> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
>> year retention for the archive.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
>>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use
>>> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
>>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
>>> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
>>> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
>>> backing up.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> James
>>>
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RE: Automated Account Password Reset Programs

[David Lum]

http://www.namescape.com, called MyPassword. Recommended.

Dave



From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Automated Account Password Reset Programs

Thanks Bob, I will put it on my list for research.

I think there was another called R-Directory, I think David Lum had some 
information on that ( Dave? ))

Z

Edward Ziots
CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
ezi...@lifespan.org

From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 4:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Automated Account Password Reset Programs

Oracle SSPR (formerly known as Passlogix)

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Automated Account Password Reset Programs

For those that are using this for your users in your orgs/business, can anyone 
give me an idea again what folks are using for Automated Password reset tools, 
that would integrate well with 2k8R2 DFL/FFL domain. About 18-20K in accounts. 
Looking for a solution with a Web front end, and the ability to customize the 
questions asked the users before they can reset there passwords.

Z

Edward Ziots
CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
ezi...@lifespan.org


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RE: MS DPM Opinions

[Brian Desmond]

The IronMountain DPM stuff was pricey when I talked to them three years ago. 
Would be curious to hear if it's come down at all.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 5:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have some 
re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to DPM than it is 
to Ultrabac.

So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly offsite 
backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a point-in-time archive for 
archival and/or DR/BC purposes?

Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire to someone 
like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that could be problematic 
in a true DR/BC incident.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> That's not the way it works. :-P
>
> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. After 
> that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I see 
> 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>
> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM is 
> designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than traditional 
> backup products.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
> you keep?
>
> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
> year retention for the archive.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do 
>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use 
>> a secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite 
>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me 
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> BF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>>
>>
>> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any 
>> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be 
>> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
>> backing up.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> James
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>>   ~
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Re: MS DPM Opinions

[Andrew S. Baker]

Yes, it can handle the basic functions of backup and restore, but it is
less of a point-in-time backup solution, and more of a data availability
product.  The paradigm is slightly different, even if some of the features
overlap.

For many needs, the differences are negligible, but in cases where long
retention periods are required, you have to augment the solution of think
of the problem in a different way.

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On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Tim Vander Kooi wrote:

> Why do you say that? I have used it to “backup” and “restore” for years
> now with no issues at all.
>
> Tim
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:28 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> ** **
>
> DPM is not really a "backup" product.
>
> -ASB: http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
>
> Sent from my Motorola Droid RAZR
>
> On Apr 19, 2012 2:27 PM, "Ben Scott"  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Kennedy, Jim
>  wrote:
> > Removable seems to be a no no with DPM
>
>  Trust Microsoft to produce a backup product that doesn't support
> removable media.
>
> -- Ben
>
>
>

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

[Kurt Buff]

I understand that there's a paradumb shift [sic], and that we'll have
some re-thinking to do. We had TSM in-house, and it's a lot closer to
DPM than it is to Ultrabac.

So, generally speaking, how does one achieve monthly/quarterly/yearly
offsite backups using DPM? Is there a method to synthesize a
point-in-time archive for archival and/or DR/BC purposes?

Depending on price, we might also look at sending data over the wire
to someone like Iron Mountain, rather than using tapes, though that
could be problematic in a true DR/BC incident.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 13:03, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> That's not the way it works. :-P
>
> DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. After 
> that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I see 
> 50-60 generations of files being kept by clients.
>
> You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM is 
> designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than traditional 
> backup products.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
> available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do 
> you keep?
>
> We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
> currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 
> year retention for the archive.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
>> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do
>> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a
>> secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite
>> backup of the primary DPM server)
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> BF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>>
>>
>>
>> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any
>> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be
>> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
>> backing up.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> James
>>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

[jesse-r...@wi.rr.com]

I like it... Mostly.  Though I found it wasn't easy to understand and the
documentation was/is horrible.   There some good benefits, as Jim said,
regarding space for backups, etc.  I just wish it were a bit more refined. 
Price is great, much cheaper than Symantec BE.

Original Message:
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From: Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:36:14 +
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: MS DPM Opinions


I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you understand
what it is doing. My only gripe is it won't use USB attached Hard Drives.

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: MS DPM Opinions

Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I
should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup
repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.

Thanks,

James

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RE: MS DPM Opinions

[Kennedy, Jim]

I would just expand that Kurt can still meet his 5 year retention policy. It 
will just be there in one 'blob' of bits. The original copy and then all the 
'incremental' changes. It will, in my opinion work much better in that 
scenario. No thinking about what tape is at what storage site.  Just hit the 
spiffy calendar in DPM and pick the document and pull it back.

So if offsite storage is needed, set up a second one and replicate it off 
site/cloud.

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 4:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MS DPM Opinions

That's not the way it works. :-P

DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. After 
that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I see 50-60 
generations of files being kept by clients.

You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM is 
designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than traditional 
backup products.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do you 
keep?

We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 year 
retention for the archive.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do 
> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a 
> secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite 
> backup of the primary DPM server)
>
>
>
> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me J
>
>
>
> BF
>
>
>
>
>
> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>
>
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any 
> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be 
> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
> backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

[Michael B. Smith]

That's not the way it works. :-P

DPM originally makes a bit-for-bit copy of the "thing" to be backed up. After 
that, only changed blocks are backed up. That's on disk. Generally, I see 50-60 
generations of files being kept by clients.

You can do a tape dump of the full image but that's not really the way DPM is 
designed to work. It takes a slightly different perspective than traditional 
backup products.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 3:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM have 
available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of history do you 
keep?

We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and are 
currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation with a 5 year 
retention for the archive.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do 
> not use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a 
> secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite 
> backup of the primary DPM server)
>
>
>
> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me  
> J
>
>
>
> BF
>
>
>
>
>
> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>
>
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any 
> gotchas I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be 
> the backup repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be 
> backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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Re: MS DPM Opinions

[James Kerr]

Thanks Bob, I may take you up on that offer.


On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Bob Fronk  wrote:

> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do not
> use removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a
> secondary DPM server at another geographic site to assure offsite backup of
> the primary DPM server)
>
> ** **
>
> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me  J***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> BF
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* MS DPM Opinions
>
> ** **
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas
> I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup
> repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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RE: BPOS to Exchange on-premise

[Brian Desmond]

MigrationWiz might be able to do this for you.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:li...@levelfive.us]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BPOS to Exchange on-premise

We had someone who asked us to do this for them manually but then found a 
company who polled the rpc/https with all accounts and peeled off the data in 
one swoop ... I didn't ask them but most likely a tool they purchased in house 
, they needed the admin account to see all mailboxes and that was it. YMMV


From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BPOS to Exchange on-premise

During this migration phase (Live to 365) you can pretty much migrate when you 
want IIRC.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Daniel Chenault 
mailto:dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com>> wrote:
Not an option. My customer wants to do this within four weeks at the most.

Daniel Chenault
dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com
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From: Brian Desmond 
[mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:06 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: BPOS to Exchange on-premise

If you wait to migrate the tenant to Office365, it will be easy to do with the 
in-box tools.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: Daniel Chenault 
[mailto:dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: BPOS to Exchange on-premise

I have a found a wealth of information on moving FROM on-premise Exchange (and 
other systems) to BPOS but only one link about the reverse (from a company with 
a  product to sell). Is this because there just is no easy path or because the 
information is being hidden?

At this point all I can see is to manually recreate the user accounts (there is 
no export in the BPOS control panel that I can see) and have the users be sure 
all their mail is moved to a PST. Yech...

Anyone have a better idea or experience?

Daniel Chenault
dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com
Office: 972-528-6546 x 1002
Fax: 972-982-0054
9550 Skillman Road
Suite 514
Dallas, TX 75243
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Re: MS DPM Opinions

[James Kerr]

Excellent, thanks for the response. We will be backing up to a DL120 with
8TB of storage (enough to backup all our environment), our offsite backups
go to EVault. We will have a tape drive on the server to do tape backups
for monthly archiving. I can't wait to try this out. I'm sick of doing
daily tape backups.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kennedy, Jim
wrote:

>  I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you
> understand what it is doing. My only gripe is it won’t use USB attached
> Hard Drives.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* MS DPM Opinions
>
> ** **
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas
> I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup
> repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

[Tim Vander Kooi]

Why do you say that? I have used it to "backup" and "restore" for years now 
with no issues at all.
Tim

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions


DPM is not really a "backup" product.

-ASB: http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Sent from my Motorola Droid RAZR
On Apr 19, 2012 2:27 PM, "Ben Scott" 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Kennedy, Jim
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
> Removable seems to be a no no with DPM

 Trust Microsoft to produce a backup product that doesn't support
removable media.

-- Ben

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RE: BPOS to Exchange on-premise

[Benjamin Zachary]

We had someone who asked us to do this for them manually but then found a
company who polled the rpc/https with all accounts and peeled off the data
in one swoop . I didn't ask them but most likely a tool they purchased in
house , they needed the admin account to see all mailboxes and that was it.
YMMV

 

 

From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: BPOS to Exchange on-premise

 

During this migration phase (Live to 365) you can pretty much migrate when
you want IIRC.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Daniel Chenault
 wrote:

Not an option. My customer wants to do this within four weeks at the most.

 

Daniel Chenault

dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com

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From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:06 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: BPOS to Exchange on-premise

 

If you wait to migrate the tenant to Office365, it will be easy to do with
the in-box tools. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

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From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: BPOS to Exchange on-premise

 

I have a found a wealth of information on moving FROM on-premise Exchange
(and other systems) to BPOS but only one link about the reverse (from a
company with a  product to sell). Is this because there just is no easy path
or because the information is being hidden?

 

At this point all I can see is to manually recreate the user accounts (there
is no export in the BPOS control panel that I can see) and have the users be
sure all their mail is moved to a PST. Yech.

 

Anyone have a better idea or experience?

 

Daniel Chenault

dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com

Office: 972-528-6546 x 1002  

Fax: 972-982-0054

9550 Skillman Road

Suite 514

Dallas, TX 75243

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

[Andrew S. Baker]

DPM is not really a "backup" product.

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Sent from my Motorola Droid RAZR
 On Apr 19, 2012 2:27 PM, "Ben Scott"  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Kennedy, Jim
>  wrote:
> > Removable seems to be a no no with DPM
>
>  Trust Microsoft to produce a backup product that doesn't support
> removable media.
>
> -- Ben
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Re: MS DPM Opinions

[Kurt Buff]

To further this conversation - what multiple of disk space does DPM
have available vs. the disk consumed in production, and what kind of
history do you keep?

We're contemplating moving from Ultrabac and a tape robot to DPM, and
are currently doing a standard Grandparent/Parent/Child tape rotation
with a 5 year retention for the archive.

Kurt

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:26, Bob Fronk  wrote:
> I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do not use
> removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a secondary DPM
> server at another geographic site to assure offsite backup of the primary
> DPM server)
>
>
>
> If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me  J
>
>
>
> BF
>
>
>
>
>
> From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: MS DPM Opinions
>
>
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I
> should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup
> repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

[Bob Fronk]

I have been using DPM for about two years now.  No complaints.  I do not use 
removable media, so I cannot comment on those posts.  (I use a secondary DPM 
server at another geographic site to assure offsite backup of the primary DPM 
server)

If you have specific questions, you know a couple ways to contact me  :)

BF


From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: MS DPM Opinions

Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I 
should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup repository 
for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.

Thanks,

James

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Kennedy, Jim
 wrote:
> Removable seems to be a no no with DPM

  Trust Microsoft to produce a backup product that doesn't support
removable media.

-- Ben

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

[Jonathan Link]

Figures...

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Kennedy, Jim
wrote:

>  Looks bad.
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://www.idealstor.com/blog/index.php/2011/11/microsoft-dpm-with-removable-disk-backup/
> 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kennedy, Jim
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:57 PM
>
> *To:* 'NT System Admin Issues'
> *Subject:* RE: MS DPM Opinions
>
>  ** **
>
> Pretty sure that is a fail also. Removable seems to be a no no with DPM***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:49 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MS DPM Opinions
>
> ** **
>
> What about RDX?
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kennedy, Jim <
> kennedy...@elyriaschools.org> wrote:
>
> I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you understand
> what it is doing. My only gripe is it won’t use USB attached Hard Drives.*
> ***
>
>  
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* MS DPM Opinions
>
>  
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas
> I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup
> repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

[Kennedy, Jim]

Looks bad.

http://www.idealstor.com/blog/index.php/2011/11/microsoft-dpm-with-removable-disk-backup/


From: Kennedy, Jim
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:57 PM
To: 'NT System Admin Issues'
Subject: RE: MS DPM Opinions

Pretty sure that is a fail also. Removable seems to be a no no with DPM

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

What about RDX?
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kennedy, Jim 
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you understand what 
it is doing. My only gripe is it won't use USB attached Hard Drives.

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: MS DPM Opinions

Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I 
should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup repository 
for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.

Thanks,

James

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RE: MS DPM Opinions

[Kennedy, Jim]

Pretty sure that is a fail also. Removable seems to be a no no with DPM

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MS DPM Opinions

What about RDX?
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kennedy, Jim 
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you understand what 
it is doing. My only gripe is it won't use USB attached Hard Drives.

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: MS DPM Opinions

Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I 
should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup repository 
for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.

Thanks,

James

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Re: MS DPM Opinions

[Jonathan Link]

What about RDX?

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kennedy, Jim
wrote:

>  I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you
> understand what it is doing. My only gripe is it won’t use USB attached
> Hard Drives.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* MS DPM Opinions
>
> ** **
>
> Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas
> I should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup
> repository for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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RE: MS DPM Opinions

[Kennedy, Jim]

I really like it, very great use of space. Easy to use once you understand what 
it is doing. My only gripe is it won't use USB attached Hard Drives.

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: MS DPM Opinions

Heh, any of you guys have any opinions good or bad about DPM? Any gotchas I 
should know about, etc? I'm ordering a server today to be the backup repository 
for the VMs and physical machines that DPM will be backing up.

Thanks,

James

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Re: BPOS to Exchange on-premise

[Doug Hampshire]

During this migration phase (Live to 365) you can pretty much migrate when
you want IIRC.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Daniel Chenault <
dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com> wrote:

>  Not an option. My customer wants to do this within four weeks at the
> most.
>
> ** **
>
> Daniel Chenault
>
> dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com
>
> [image: Description: Description: cid:image001.jpg@01CCF24C.F9B05160]
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:06 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: BPOS to Exchange on-premise
>
>  ** **
>
> *If you wait to migrate the tenant to Office365, it will be easy to do
> with the in-box tools. ***
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Daniel Chenault [mailto:dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:02 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* BPOS to Exchange on-premise
>
> ** **
>
> I have a found a wealth of information on moving FROM on-premise Exchange
> (and other systems) to BPOS but only one link about the reverse (from a
> company with a  product to sell). Is this because there just is no easy
> path or because the information is being hidden?
>
> ** **
>
> At this point all I can see is to manually recreate the user accounts
> (there is no export in the BPOS control panel that I can see) and have the
> users be sure all their mail is moved to a PST. Yech…
>
> ** **
>
> Anyone have a better idea or experience?
>
> ** **
>
> Daniel Chenault
>
> dchena...@lgnetworksinc.com
>
> Office: 972-528-6546 x 1002
>
> Fax: 972-982-0054
>
> 9550 Skillman Road
>
> Suite 514
>
> Dallas, TX 75243
>
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Re: [dkim-failure] Re: GPO Reporting

[James Kerr]

Hehe. Well we are about to order SC, so I'll have to check that out.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Free, Bob  wrote:

>  Maybe you could get the trial and prove the value? 
>
> ** **
>
> Otherwise my offer of getreportsforallgpos.wsf for free from MS still
> stands :-]
>
> ** **
>
> You might find the capability in SCM, I don’t use it because I have a
> commercial GPO product but it looks pretty interesting. Our desktop guy
> uses it in his offline dev forest and what I’ve seen over some conf calls
> looked interesting.
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://www.grouppolicy.biz/2012/04/security-compliance-manager-scm-v2-5-out-now/
> 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:11 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* [dkim-failure] Re: GPO Reporting
>
> ** **
>
> Yeah my budget is zero dollars on this unfortunately.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Brian Desmond 
> wrote:
>
> *Yep – call Darren @ sdmsoftware.com. He’s got the tools to do this
> right. *
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:38 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: GPO Reporting
>
>  
>
> There are free scripts provided with GPMC that will pull reports on the
> cheap that you could massage. The one called getreportsforallgpos.wsf (from
> memory, you need to verify exact name) will dump them all into html files
> in a jiffy.
>
>  
>
> If you need a more elegant solution, I’d definitely look at Darren’s
> offerings that Chris pointed out. From what I’ve seen it does a better job
> of reporting in many ways than the full featured GPO management tools and I
> toy with the idea of trying to augment the tools I use with it.
>
>  
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com ]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:01 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* [dkim-failure] GPO Reporting
>
>  
>
> Heh guys,
>
> I'm looking for a way to have some kind of report that would look into
> specified GPOs and list the settings they have. Specifically, I'm trying to
> look at a list of GPOs and determine what drive maps they have. Thanks for
> any assistance.
>
> James
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Re: GPO Reporting

[James Kerr]

That looks interesting, thanks.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Guyer, Donald  wrote:

> Might be enough to get you what you need for now:
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.scriptlogic.com/products/gpoadmin/
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Don Guyer
>
> Directory and Messaging Services
> Catholic Health East, ITSS
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:11 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: GPO Reporting
>
> ** **
>
> Yeah my budget is zero dollars on this unfortunately.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Brian Desmond 
> wrote:
>
> *Yep – call Darren @ sdmsoftware.com. He’s got the tools to do this
> right. *
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:38 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: GPO Reporting
>
>  
>
> There are free scripts provided with GPMC that will pull reports on the
> cheap that you could massage. The one called getreportsforallgpos.wsf (from
> memory, you need to verify exact name) will dump them all into html files
> in a jiffy.
>
>  
>
> If you need a more elegant solution, I’d definitely look at Darren’s
> offerings that Chris pointed out. From what I’ve seen it does a better job
> of reporting in many ways than the full featured GPO management tools and I
> toy with the idea of trying to augment the tools I use with it.
>
>  
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com ]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:01 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* [dkim-failure] GPO Reporting
>
>  
>
> Heh guys,
>
> I'm looking for a way to have some kind of report that would look into
> specified GPOs and list the settings they have. Specifically, I'm trying to
> look at a list of GPOs and determine what drive maps they have. Thanks for
> any assistance.
>
> James
>
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