Re: Manage JAVA updates
What are you using now for patching? Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com From: Tom Miller tominyorkt...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: 03/18/2013 09:01 AM Subject:Manage JAVA updates Anyone have any suggestions for managing JAVA updates in a corporate environment? At my last job we used the kbox as it was part of the patch stream, but the product I use now does not include JAVA as part of the stream. I'd like to be able to control when updates are performed, do to it silently, and to turn off that annoying prompt to install the Ask toolbar. Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage/jpeg
RE: Manage JAVA updates
At two locations (%dayjob% and my biggest personal biz client) I use VMWare vCenter Protect (was Shavlik) to patch Java and other non-MS titles. I also notice GFI Vipre Business Premium (used at my other personal biz client) also does patching of Java and a few Adobe items (Flash, Shockwave, etc.), as well as Firefox and Chrome and a few other products. vCenter Protect v9 (beta just came out) has cloud-managed agents that you can manage via your local vCenter Protect console, means you can now manage systems that never or rarely VPN in, all they need is an Internet connection, you can even install their agents via Internet. I just watched the webinar on v9 this morning: http://www.shavlik.com/webinars/shavlik-video/resources.aspx?id=2212572976001 Dave From: Tom Miller [mailto:tominyorkt...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 6:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Manage JAVA updates System Center Essentials 2007, but I plan to update that to 2010, since that version is pretty much useless for anything. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Christopher Bodnar christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote: What are you using now for patching? Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459tel:610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com [cid:image001.jpg@01CE23A6.779379A0] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Tom Miller tominyorkt...@gmail.commailto:tominyorkt...@gmail.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:03/18/2013 09:01 AM Subject:Manage JAVA updates Anyone have any suggestions for managing JAVA updates in a corporate environment? At my last job we used the kbox as it was part of the patch stream, but the product I use now does not include JAVA as part of the stream. I'd like to be able to control when updates are performed, do to it silently, and to turn off that annoying prompt to install the Ask toolbar. Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
Re: Meraki
*Yes but at the end of 3 years you have to renew the license or the device will stop passing traffic. * True, but 3 years is quite a bit of time. *I still don't know a lot of homeowners or mom pop SMB's that will buy into something that requires this type of commitment or yearly price. * Not only to many do it for antivirus, but everyone does it for telco services. It is becoming the new norm. The software landscape is changing, and subscriptions are going to be the predominant vehicle for commercial software, especially at the retail level in a few years. Oh, and this device isn't really being targeted at the average mom pop or homeowner. It's an enterprise level device and its being offered for free to IT professionals. 3 years use of it for zero dollars in outlay is better than most other alternatives, and perhaps it will be eligible for an opensource firmware within the 3 years. (The limitation in functionality appears to be a management one rather than a traffic-passing one) *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@live.com wrote: Yes but at the end of 3 years you have to renew the license or the device will stop passing traffic. At least that is what the sales drone told me. I still don't know a lot of homeowners or mom pop SMB's that will buy into something that requires this type of commitment or yearly price. I will know better after I do my evaluation but I don't see it happening long term. Once I am finished with my evaluation I get the lovely chore of passing my findings to my boss here at work for him to think about. We are not that commited to doing wireless except for BOD and certain officers at only certain locations. This looked like something they would think about but with the yearly cost I don't know. Jon -- From: asbz...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:03:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Meraki To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com My understanding was that the devices came with a 3 YEAR cloud license... *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@live.com wrote: After a little talking to a sales drone (quite nice they let me initiate the conversation) I found out that if the Cloud Management License lapses by 90+ days then the AP will stop passing traffic. I don't know yet if that would be good thing or bad. I guess I will have to actually do some testing of the device they are shipping me to see if it is worth the MSRP of $150/AP/year. I can't see this for homeowners or even a lot of mom pop SMBs. I don't think they will be willing to fork over the year fee. Jon -- From: gswe...@acts360.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Meraki Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:23:41 + I love the Meraki AP’s. We have 40+ over multiple clients. Easy management, great performance. We had have replaced clients that were having horrible issues with Rukus, Firetide, Cisco, etc.. Not because the equipment was bad, but because the reseller sold it without the proper controllers, or told them they could manage multiple sites from a web page, when in fact they had to connect to the controller locally at each site to manage…. Fortunately almost all of them were able to return their products to reseller or direct. Setup the info on the dashboard. SSID, policies, etc.. Connect your laptop to the Meraki, set the IP/connection info, plug in to POE or injector and 2 mins later you are on and connected. Seamless roaming across a 12000 sqft facility with multiple walls, offices, floors. We have had what we think was just a bad manufacturing batch because about 4 in a one month period arrived, plugged in and promptly (3 -4 mins) fried. Different locations… But since then no issues. Prompt RMA service also.. Now the Firewalls…Same interface, excellent performance. Seriously lacking on features and granular controls. Sonicwall, Watchguard have them beat hands down. Needs polishing on the usability of the interface as well. We are actively involved with their development team as we have some of their higher end stuff in our datacenter and I am unable to meet some client application needs, but I am hopeful for some resolutions. In the meantime I had to install my old Sonicwall 2040 to get around it. If you are just looking for basic firewall and don’t need a lot of higher end firewall features the single management interface for everything is really nice. Automatic Site to Site with WAN Acceleration, Failover, etc are all included. The switches have some huge
RE: Manage JAVA updates
This Java thing is a support nightmare. Our state rolled out a new personnel app that's java-based. So every state employee now has to connect to this thing. And of course it does a Java check, and of course it tells users that they have old versions that should be removed, or that they need the latest version. They get the option to update the latest version. And OUR agency blocks downloads for non-IT staff. And so the calls just keep coming. The simplest solution would've been to just open the downloads for java to everyone until the state and/or app developer comes up with a better solution. But the people in charge of the network think that's a bad ideas because they know that java can affect CiscoWorks (used by exactly 1 person) and the HP ILO boards, also used by at best some of the IT staff. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 7:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Manage JAVA updates At two locations (%dayjob% and my biggest personal biz client) I use VMWare vCenter Protect (was Shavlik) to patch Java and other non-MS titles. I also notice GFI Vipre Business Premium (used at my other personal biz client) also does patching of Java and a few Adobe items (Flash, Shockwave, etc.), as well as Firefox and Chrome and a few other products. vCenter Protect v9 (beta just came out) has cloud-managed agents that you can manage via your local vCenter Protect console, means you can now manage systems that never or rarely VPN in, all they need is an Internet connection, you can even install their agents via Internet. I just watched the webinar on v9 this morning: http://www.shavlik.com/webinars/shavlik-video/resources.aspx?id=221257297600 1 Dave From: Tom Miller [mailto:tominyorkt...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 6:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Manage JAVA updates System Center Essentials 2007, but I plan to update that to 2010, since that version is pretty much useless for anything. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Christopher Bodnar christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote: What are you using now for patching? Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com http://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Tom Miller tominyorkt...@gmail.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:03/18/2013 09:01 AM Subject:Manage JAVA updates _ Anyone have any suggestions for managing JAVA updates in a corporate environment? At my last job we used the kbox as it was part of the patch stream, but the product I use now does not include JAVA as part of the stream. I'd like to be able to control when updates are performed, do to it silently, and to turn off that annoying prompt to install the Ask toolbar. Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpg
Re: Manage JAVA updates
I'm using Secunia's CSI product. It isnt' as full featured as Kace or Landesk, but it is cheaper and it slipstreams patches to your WSUS box and also does acrobat, etc... On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Tom Miller tominyorkt...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have any suggestions for managing JAVA updates in a corporate environment? At my last job we used the kbox as it was part of the patch stream, but the product I use now does not include JAVA as part of the stream. I'd like to be able to control when updates are performed, do to it silently, and to turn off that annoying prompt to install the Ask toolbar. Thanks, Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Cross Domain authentication - brain freeze
Thanks Brian. The external groups are Universal groups and DCs are also GCs. I will check out the S.DS.Account Management stuff and see if we can help him out. Much appreciated! Don From: Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 11:54 AM Subject: RE: Cross Domain authentication - brain freeze Don- You might refactor this code to use S.DS.AccountManagement. It abstracts all this stuff for you. You’re going to start needing to think about global catalogs also with multiple domains, universal groups, etc. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From:Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Cross Domain authentication - brain freeze Hi guys. It's getting near quitting time here, and they just announced that the bar is open for some St Patti's libations - :) Anyway, our corp team deployed a new domain in our forest - like dom2.co.com We have service accounts and groups for an app in dom1.co.com Users in dom2.co.com can't get into the app by being in universal groups in dom1.co.com Users in dom1.co.com can get into app by being in universal groups in dom1.co.com Here is a snip from the dev about how he is doing the lookup - Yes, I can authenticate the user on the dom2 domain, but no groups are returned from my GetGroups() function. When I debug the process: The DirectorySearch object in the GetGroups() function uses the following path: LDAP://dom2.co.com/CN=username,OU=Users,OU=Business,OU=Customers,DC=dom2,DC=co,DC=com. I set the PropertiesToLoad property to “memberOf”, then I get a create a result object using the FindOne() method. My result object is set to nothing. This works fine in the DOM1 domain, but dies in the DOM2 domain. When I try to get the number of results, it throws an error, because it’s not even zero, it’s nothing. I found a few links, but they don't seem to apply. Cross domain security group lookups - http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserverDS/thread/96a697df-2d00-4edd-993f-632d7e8e1043 Group enum between trusted domains does not perform as expected - http://networkadminkb.com/kb/Knowledge%20Base/ActiveDirectory/Group%20Enumeration%20between%20Trusted%20Domains%25 Any thoughts appreciated! Thanks Don K ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Virtualization in small office
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Every VM has identical virtual hardware. Minor caveat: Every VM within the same physical architecture (AMD vs Intel) has the identical virtual hardware. Ohh... good point. I kind of knew that but the ramifications hadn't sunk in. Thanks for the tip! -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization in small office
Even at that, if you have the same Hypervisor it's not all that hard to move it to a new system by moving the virtual disks and creating a new-to-that-Hypervisor VM. Worst case is you have to assign NIC properties and re-activate the OS. I'm just glad Server 2012 lets you merge deleted snapshots while the VM is running. One less advantage VMWare has (took MS long enough...). Dave -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization in small office On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Every VM has identical virtual hardware. Minor caveat: Every VM within the same physical architecture (AMD vs Intel) has the identical virtual hardware. Ohh... good point. I kind of knew that but the ramifications hadn't sunk in. Thanks for the tip! -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Automate DCDIAG and e-mail results
Doesn't really scale beyond a couple DCs. I would generally recommend a monitoring tool that has AD specific monitoring capabilities. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Automate DCDIAG and e-mail results Are any of you guys doing anything similar to this? http://scriptzilla.blogspot.com/2010/02/automate-dcdiag-on-your-domain.html Would be nice to patch/reboot my DC's and have DCDIAG and REPADMIN run 30 mins later and e-mail the results. This looks like a good base but am curious what others do. David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Automate DCDIAG and e-mail results
I have something very similar set up for several clients. It gets more interesting when you start analyzing the results automagically. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 12:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Automate DCDIAG and e-mail results Are any of you guys doing anything similar to this? http://scriptzilla.blogspot.com/2010/02/automate-dcdiag-on-your-domain.html Would be nice to patch/reboot my DC's and have DCDIAG and REPADMIN run 30 mins later and e-mail the results. This looks like a good base but am curious what others do. David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Automate DCDIAG and e-mail results
Yes, I have a daily scripts that runs on one DC in the domain and mails back a report. Yes, we also have a monitoring solution in place, this is not to replace that, just a nice to have. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com From: David Lum david@nwea.org To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: 03/18/2013 12:53 PM Subject:Automate DCDIAG and e-mail results Are any of you guys doing anything similar to this? http://scriptzilla.blogspot.com/2010/02/automate-dcdiag-on-your-domain.html Would be nice to patch/reboot my DC’s and have DCDIAG and REPADMIN run 30 mins later and e-mail the results. This looks like a good base but am curious what others do. David Lum Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin image/jpeg
RE: Meraki
From: asbz...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:08:32 -0400 Subject: Re: Meraki To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Yes but at the end of 3 years you have to renew the license or the device will stop passing traffic. True, but 3 years is quite a bit of time. True very true. I still don't know a lot of homeowners or mom pop SMB's that will buy into something that requires this type of commitment or yearly price. Not only to many do it for antivirus, but everyone does it for telco services. It is becoming the new norm. The software landscape is changing, and subscriptions are going to be the predominant vehicle for commercial software, especially at the retail level in a few years. Oh, and this device isn't really being targeted at the average mom pop or homeowner. It's an enterprise level device and its being offered for free to IT professionals. 3 years use of it for zero dollars in outlay is better than most other alternatives, and perhaps it will be eligible for an opensource firmware within the 3 years. (The limitation in functionality appears to be a management one rather than a traffic-passing one) Also true on all points but when you see somethng this powerful and can fill a market that has been begging for it, at least to me, it seems like something THEY should be interested in if for nothing else than this will do things and allow for more granular control where it may be needed. Homeowers need a way to assist themselves in controlling what is coming into their homes. How many times does it take for some kid getting enticed into meeting someone, watching some video of a less than intelligent person doing something stupid and then they get hurt or go missing before the parents get concerned? I know I never really had the time to keep an eye on my kid even though I tried hard to at least police her web browsing. Thank God she has a good head on her shoulders and a fixed goal she does not want to lose out on. I know other parents in the local area that are not even this blessed. If both parents work then it is doubly hard to do any policing. Mom and Pop stores will become, if they are not already, a high priority target for scammers and net theives. They don't have a lot of money to throw at IT fixes and don't have professional staff on contract to come in and review their systems and networks. Yes the initial out lay is a lot more than a Linksys or other device at that lever but with the web management part this Meraki offers them a lot more that could be leveraged to make their systems/networks better/safer. As you pointed out the system we are talking about is only to IT professionals. I don't know yet how much or under what conditions one sold would offer. If it offers the same first three years licensing then that would make it a better deal than one without that. Jon ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market… On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@live.com wrote: Yes but at the end of 3 years you have to renew the license or the device will stop passing traffic. At least that is what the sales drone told me. I still don't know a lot of homeowners or mom pop SMB's that will buy into something that requires this type of commitment or yearly price. I will know better after I do my evaluation but I don't see it happening long term. Once I am finished with my evaluation I get the lovely chore of passing my findings to my boss here at work for him to think about. We are not that commited to doing wireless except for BOD and certain officers at only certain locations. This looked like something they would think about but with the yearly cost I don't know. Jon From: asbz...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:03:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Meraki To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com My understanding was that the devices came with a 3 YEAR cloud license... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market… On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@live.com wrote: After a little talking to a sales drone (quite nice they let me initiate the conversation) I found out that if the Cloud Management License lapses by 90+ days then the AP will stop passing traffic. I don't know yet if that would be good thing or bad. I guess I will have to actually do some testing of the device they are shipping me to see if it is worth the MSRP of $150/AP/year. I can't see this for homeowners or even a lot of mom pop SMBs. I don't think they will be willing to fork over the year fee. Jon From: gswe...@acts360.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Meraki Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:23:41 +
RE: Meraki
The actual response was at the end of the contract + 90 days is when the action would take place. The action in this instance was that it would stop passing traffic. When I get to work later I will cut the actual question/answer from my email and send it to the list. I don't doubt that most larger businesses would keep this device under contract. It would be very unwise to do otherwise, although I have seen other businesses that depend on their network, not keep their high dollar network devices under contract. Like I said earlier did find the fact that unlike a lot of other IT directed businesses they seemed to be more interested in allowing their hardware, in this case, to sell themselves rather than have some sales drone push it hard. That in itself to me is a big plus for the company. Jon From: gswe...@acts360.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Meraki Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:57:46 + It doesn't stop passing traffic and right now that’s not a hard cut off. We have gone a few weeks past an expiration and we can still monitor and make changes. I am sure at some point though you would lose ability to manage it. That is the one part of the whole solution that I am concerned with, but in almost all of my clients they keep up the warranty on their devices, controllers, servers, etc because to have it fail and either the replacement cost or downtime exposure is pretty steep. The renewal cost on the licenses is paying for the service. If you factor the cost of a Rukus, Firetide, Cisco, etc by the time you pay for the AP's, the controller and license cost I am pretty sure you would be very close to the cost over 3 years. At least we were when we checked it over Ruckus on 3 years. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.com P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-644-3479 Cell From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net Reply-To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:27 AM To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Meraki I wonder if after 3 years you just lose the ability to manage it via the cloud. It seems pretty bad that the device itself would stop working if you don’t renew the license. From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Meraki Yes but at the end of 3 years you have to renew the license or the device will stop passing traffic. At least that is what the sales drone told me. I still don't know a lot of homeowners or mom pop SMB's that will buy into something that requires this type of commitment or yearly price. I will know better after I do my evaluation but I don't see it happening long term. Once I am finished with my evaluation I get the lovely chore of passing my findings to my boss here at work for him to think about. We are not that commited to doing wireless except for BOD and certain officers at only certain locations. This looked like something they would think about but with the yearly cost I don't know. Jon From: asbz...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:03:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Meraki To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com My understanding was that the devices came with a 3 YEAR cloud license... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market… On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@live.com wrote: After a little talking to a sales drone (quite nice they let me initiate the conversation) I found out that if the Cloud Management License lapses by 90+ days then the AP will stop passing traffic. I don't know yet if that would be good thing or bad. I guess I will have to actually do some testing of the device they are shipping me to see if it is worth the MSRP of $150/AP/year. I can't see this for homeowners or even a lot of mom pop SMBs. I don't think they will be willing to fork over the year fee. Jon From: gswe...@acts360.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Meraki Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:23:41 + I love the Meraki AP’s. We have 40+ over multiple clients. Easy management, great performance. We had have replaced clients that were having horrible issues with Rukus, Firetide, Cisco, etc.. Not because the equipment was bad, but because the reseller sold it without the proper controllers, or told them they could manage multiple sites from a web page, when in fact they had to connect to the controller locally at each site to manage…. Fortunately almost all of them were able to return their products to reseller or direct. Setup the info on the dashboard. SSID, policies, etc.. Connect your laptop to the Meraki, set the IP/connection
RE: Meraki
Here is the question and answer from Meraki about what happens when the license expires. 1. What happens when or if the license for the Cloud Management of the device lapse? - Devices have a 90 day grace period for renewal. Beyond that, they will not be able to pass traffic. JonFrom: jk.har...@live.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Meraki Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:34:35 -0400 The actual response was at the end of the contract + 90 days is when the action would take place. The action in this instance was that it would stop passing traffic. When I get to work later I will cut the actual question/answer from my email and send it to the list. I don't doubt that most larger businesses would keep this device under contract. It would be very unwise to do otherwise, although I have seen other businesses that depend on their network, not keep their high dollar network devices under contract. Like I said earlier did find the fact that unlike a lot of other IT directed businesses they seemed to be more interested in allowing their hardware, in this case, to sell themselves rather than have some sales drone push it hard. That in itself to me is a big plus for the company. Jon From: gswe...@acts360.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Meraki Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:57:46 + It doesn't stop passing traffic and right now that’s not a hard cut off. We have gone a few weeks past an expiration and we can still monitor and make changes. I am sure at some point though you would lose ability to manage it. That is the one part of the whole solution that I am concerned with, but in almost all of my clients they keep up the warranty on their devices, controllers, servers, etc because to have it fail and either the replacement cost or downtime exposure is pretty steep. The renewal cost on the licenses is paying for the service. If you factor the cost of a Rukus, Firetide, Cisco, etc by the time you pay for the AP's, the controller and license cost I am pretty sure you would be very close to the cost over 3 years. At least we were when we checked it over Ruckus on 3 years. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.com P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-644-3479 Cell From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net Reply-To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:27 AM To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Meraki I wonder if after 3 years you just lose the ability to manage it via the cloud. It seems pretty bad that the device itself would stop working if you don’t renew the license. From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Meraki Yes but at the end of 3 years you have to renew the license or the device will stop passing traffic. At least that is what the sales drone told me. I still don't know a lot of homeowners or mom pop SMB's that will buy into something that requires this type of commitment or yearly price. I will know better after I do my evaluation but I don't see it happening long term. Once I am finished with my evaluation I get the lovely chore of passing my findings to my boss here at work for him to think about. We are not that commited to doing wireless except for BOD and certain officers at only certain locations. This looked like something they would think about but with the yearly cost I don't know. Jon From: asbz...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:03:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Meraki To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com My understanding was that the devices came with a 3 YEAR cloud license... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market… On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@live.com wrote: After a little talking to a sales drone (quite nice they let me initiate the conversation) I found out that if the Cloud Management License lapses by 90+ days then the AP will stop passing traffic. I don't know yet if that would be good thing or bad. I guess I will have to actually do some testing of the device they are shipping me to see if it is worth the MSRP of $150/AP/year. I can't see this for homeowners or even a lot of mom pop SMBs. I don't think they will be willing to fork over the year fee. Jon From: gswe...@acts360.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Meraki Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:23:41 + I love the Meraki AP’s. We have 40+ over multiple clients. Easy management, great performance. We had have replaced clients that were having horrible issues with Rukus, Firetide, Cisco, etc.. Not because the equipment was bad,
