RE: Microsoft Has Nimda
One can only hope that MS takes the engineers off of Passport and the like and puts them onto IntelliPatch for Windows Networks. The automation intrinsic to the OS as it currently exists is IMHO like a toe on the trigger. We'll happily keep typing in our multitude of IDs and passwords (and keeping our credit card numbers in our LEATHER wallets, thank you very much) while they teach the OS to defend itself, rather than self-mutilate. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda I didn't say that. What I said was that the person at Microsoft who was responsible for maintaining such a high-profile Web site should be fired if they failed to keep that site up-to-date. Not having properly-patched servers is a terrible embarrassment for Microsoft (assuming that this is how NIMDA got through the gate). And let me turn your question around... Should there be no accountability? Should everyone who failed to maintain proper security be patted on the back and told they're doing a good job? Aren't we supposed to be professionals? Aren't we paid to do our best to prevent this sort of thing from happening? We all screw up sometimes. I'm certainly not perfect myself, and I don't expect anyone else to be. What I *do* expect is that system administrators will take reasonable measures to ensure the security of their systems. I don't think it's unrealistic for the world to be able to rely on us to do our best to ensure that our servers don't get infected by a worm that exploits a vulnerability that was identified a year ago (the web server folder traversal issue was first addressed in MS00-057 in August of 2000). John Hornbuckle Network Manager Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 11:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda So everyone who got Nimda should be fired? http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: Microsoft Has Nimda
Operant Conditioning 101: behavior is controlled by its consequences, but most IT depts are skilled at dodging those consequences (which reinforces THAT behavior), so nothing changes/improves. The problem that management has is determining whether any given admin crime is worthy of the death sentence, since a firing impacts morale and often requires a new (expensive) hire. I see two places where improvement could be made: 1)upgrade the multitude of admins (not fast or easy or cheap), or 2)upgrade the product's ability to keep ITSELF patched (which is Microsoft's baby). There seems to be a certain efficiency in #2. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda Some mistakes are worse than others. The worse the mistake, the harsher the punishment. Sometimes people need to be fired. John Hornbuckle Network Manager Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 -Original Message- From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Microsoft Has Nimda If firing someone or cutting off somebody's head for any mistake was an answer, you'd have heard bombs by now! http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?
In that case: ...gas is $.50/gal and falling on the East coast; Jesus, Muhammad, and Nostradamus were seen sharing a 6-pack while telling Irish jokes; and it has been firmly established that 972 angels can dance on the head of a pin, or 23,925 on a standard thumb-tack. Pass it on -Original Message- From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS? You know, John, sometimes you don't have any choice on being ripped off. When every store in town and for 100's of miles around are selling a commodity at ridiculous prices or every gas station in town has raised their prices at the very same moment. Sometimes this is caused by cartels.and sometimes this is caused by RUMORS that are inaccurate. Murray -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS? To which a conservative would reply that consumers have to live with the consequences of their choices. If they're willing to knowingly put up with being ripped off, perhaps they deserve to continue to be ripped off... John Hornbuckle Network Manager Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 -Original Message- From: Witt, Michael S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS? A realist would figure out that it takes a full time effort to get people to boycott anything. People will put up with a lot for convienence, even being ripped off... http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: Dell servers vs. Compaq
When Dell runs a buy one, get one for 50% off (the current promo), the difference is significant. -Original Message- From: Sean Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell servers vs. Compaq I don't have any experience with Dell servers, but we've been running all Compaq servers for almost 5 years now. I've never had to make a support call (knock on wood) on any of them. We've got 3 Compaq Proliant 1600R's, 1 Proliant 6000R, and one Proliant ML530. Just out of curiosity, what is the price difference between Dell and Compaq on like models? Regards, Sean Martin, MCSE Network Administrator Ribelin Lowell Company Insurance Brokers, Inc. 3111 C Street, Suite 300 Anchorage, Alaska 99503 Ph: (907) 561-1250 Fax: (907) 561-4315 Cell: (907) 229-0885 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Dell servers vs. Compaq The company has almost 100% Compaq servers. Now there is a requirement to do a comparison between Compaq and Dell, probably because of the cost difference. What experiences have you had with Dell - reliability, support, upgrades etc?Anyone running them both in the same network? I'm all familiar with Insight Manager etc and we even have a few of the remote insight boards installed.Does Dell have equivalents? How about doing things like firmware upgrades? Thanks in advance for your time and help on this. If you have any docs you want to send me, feel free to email it directly to me. Thanks - DR http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm DO NOT read, copy or disseminate this communication unless you are the intended addressee. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at (907) 561-1250 and ask to speak to the sender of the communication. Also, please e-mail the sender and notify the sender immediately that you have received the communication in error. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: What do you get for Over Time
Her neighbor was a sysadmin that worked too much unpaid overtime, and didn't keep his dog's dish full of food...look what happens! We need to get PETA and the Humane Society to look into our working conditions. -Original Message- From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: What do you get for Over Time So tell me about your sisters boyfriends cat that got eaten by the neighbor's dog... ;o) -Original Message- From: William Schwartz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: What do you get for Over Time If you do not like the thread then don't read it. This is an issue that affects NT Sys admins and that is what the list is for. Just because its not tech related doesn't mean it cannot be discusses. Obviously from the number of posts that it has generated it is a topic that many people are interested in talking about. Now, if I start talking about my sisters boyfriends cousin that has just had a cat eaten by his neighbors dog, then you can get pissed off. =) will -Original Message- From: Blake R. Fowkes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: What do you get for Over Time Far be it for me to complain but I thought that this list was for NT ADMIN discussion. If y'all want to talk about HR CRAP then find an HR related mailing list and get these stupid questions out of the NT ADMIN list Thanks, Blake Fowkes Waid and Associates -Original Message- From: Sean Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: What do you get for Over Time I've been a salaried, non-exempt employee for the past 3 years and I've always gotten time and a half for any over-time I put in. However, our HR person recently contacted the Department of Labor and found out some interesting facts. Anyone who is not in a position where 2 or more people work directly under them, is considered a non-exempt employee (at least in our case). Regards, Sean Martin, MCSE Network Administrator Ribelin Lowell Company Insurance Brokers, Inc. 3111 C Street, Suite 300 Anchorage, Alaska 99503 Ph: (907) 561-1250 Fax: (907) 561-4315 Cell: (907) 229-0885 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Greg Page [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: What do you get for Over Time I didn't think you did, I was pointing out the math. Greg -Original Message- From: Seth M. Kusiak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: What do you get for Over Time It was ONLY an example. I don't make 10K a year. Greg Page writes: If you made $10,000 a year that would be $5.00 and hour. I haven't had and overtime paying job in years but we've always managed to snag lots of extra time off when we can. The nature of the IT beast is that sometimes there is OT involved and long nights and weekends. Just part of the job. Greg -Original Message- From: Seth M. Kusiak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: What do you get for Over Time I'm salaried, but if I work over 45 hours in a week then for each hour that I work past 45, I get half of my base rate. Example: If I make $10,000 a year and my hourly rate is $10.00, for each hour that I work past 45, I would get $5.00 an hour that is paid quarterly. I really like this because I usually end up with a few thousand extra each quarter. ~Seth Mathews, James E. writes: I was wondering if anyone has any policies set up for Over Time. The reason I ask is one of the other network guys and myself have put in about 40 hours over time this month and we receive nothing for it. Just wondering what policies are set up at other companies to compensate for over time. We consistently work about 8-12 hours over a month and we get no time off or anything for this. Management keeps telling us it is just part of our job and we can not get any comp time even though we are only scheduled for 40 hours a week. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm DO NOT read, copy or disseminate this communication unless you are the intended addressee. This e-mail communication contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you have received this communication in error, please call us immediately at (907) 561-1250 and ask to speak to the sender
