RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[Heywood, Greg]

I would also like to point out that WWII started because Hitler attacked
Poland. Not because he attacked the rest of Europe or the UK. 

Both the UK and France decided enough was enough (I think it is fair to say
that France were a little more reluctant on this point), and declared war on
Germany. Certainly neither country (especially the UK) had to. Even before
the war Hitler was a great admirer of the British and the British Empire and
had considered plans for the two great empires side by side. He was also
very eager to sign treaties with the British even after hostilities started.

Just like WWI, the British did not have to get involved either, but they
did. We also lost hundreds, and hundreds of thousands of people, and did pay
back a huge proportion of our debt after the war. That was one thing with
brought Thatcher and Regan so close together. 

I just think it should be clear that while the US did do a great job, and it
was very brave and courageous to enter the wars, we entered them before, and
we entered from the start. 

I would hate anyone to think that the US was the only country that
steps-in. 

And, since I don't think I have said to this list, everyone in the US, and
all those affected throughout the world have my deepest sympathies and
condolences.

Now, back to that SMS distribution which will probably keep me up all night
:(

Greg



-Original Message-
From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 17:42
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack


Trust me.  By the time Pearl Harbor was involved, it was a forgone
conclusion that America was involved on both fronts.  We were already
sending raw materials and weapons (guns, tanks, planes, etc.).  All that was
missing was our people to shoot, drive, and fly them.

America declared war on Japan but had already committed to everything but
headcount on the other front also.  Again, I would like to point out
though that this is exactly what Europe had asked for.  Perhaps America
needs to revisit this policy of helping out rather than stepping-in and
trying to solve everything.  Although in this case, war was the eventual
outcome (and of Kuwait also), this is not necessarily true of Bosnia,
Somalia and a host of others that we got involved in.  Of course those are
my 2 cents.  Maybe people looking back in 50 years will know things we
don't.

JayW

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM 
Except that the US declared war on Japan only.  Germany and Italy
declared war on the US after that.

 -Original Message-
 From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:14 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
 
 
 OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but 
 if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out 
 WWII until Pearl Harbour.  Sure they provided equipment to 
 the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the 
 US and THEIR security was threatened.  So in effect, America 
 was fighting for itself as well.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
 
 
  We all won the war...
  The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here.
  We all lost people in WWII.
 
 The point being here that until America entered into the 
 fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe.  Numerous 
 countries were defeated and had already surrendered.  Yes, we 
 all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win 
 as many of the teams had already left the playing field.  
 And it obviously wasn't going well before America got 
 involved. This goes back to the point that America does care 
 about it's neighbors. We all won the war... seems a 
 little flippant and not in understanding with what was going 
 on at the time.  I can tell you that we WEREN'T all winning 
 the war until America came over and gave it's kids for 
 foreign soil. Europeans were fighting to protect themselves.  
 Americans were fighting for Europeans, our neighbors.  To 
 now say that we wouldn't care if this (the terrorist attack) 
 had happened anywhere in the world  is just silly.
 
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RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack

[Heywood, Greg]

Well, it is the least he can do. 

We have had a lot of terrorist attacks, including many fatalities over the
years here in London, but I don't think any have had an effect like the ones
you guys went through. 

I am sure Tony Blair was speaking for 99% of people here. 


-Original Message-
From: Sean Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 20:48
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack


Since I haven't seen any mention yet, I would like to state my appreciation
and gratitude to British Prime Minister Tony Blair. The words he had to say
about the tragedy in NY and his position to stand beside America were
uplifting and heart-warming. 

Regards,
 
Sean Martin, MCSE
Network Administrator
Ribelin Lowell  Company
Insurance Brokers, Inc.
3111 C Street, Suite 300
Anchorage, Alaska 99503
Ph: (907) 561-1250
Fax: (907) 561-4315
Cell: (907) 229-0885
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


-Original Message-
From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack


And, regardless of who jumps in first, the Brits are always at our side in
every conflict or tough touchy world situation that I can remember and I'm
62 years old.

Murray

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack


With great reluctance, I'm jumping into this particular discussion feet
first.

Just for the record, this American, and many other Americans I know, have
always... *always*... had the utmost respect for the way England fought
during WWII. They showed tremendous courage, conviction, determination and
fortitude. No American alive today can relate to the endless bombardment of
London, night after night that the British survived and continued fighting
through. Yes, America entered the war, and together, we fought and won many
battles. But, and this can certainly not be said for the
all-too-quick-to-surrender France, this world would not be the world we know
today had England not fought as it did during WWII.

Evan


 -Original Message-
From:   Heywood, Greg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject:RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack

I would also like to point out that WWII started because Hitler attacked
Poland. Not because he attacked the rest of Europe or the UK. 

Both the UK and France decided enough was enough (I think it is fair to say
that France were a little more reluctant on this point), and declared war on
Germany. Certainly neither country (especially the UK) had to. Even before
the war Hitler was a great admirer of the British and the British Empire and
had considered plans for the two great empires side by side. He was also
very eager to sign treaties with the British even after hostilities started.

Just like WWI, the British did not have to get involved either, but they
did. We also lost hundreds, and hundreds of thousands of people, and did pay
back a huge proportion of our debt after the war. That was one thing with
brought Thatcher and Regan so close together. 

I just think it should be clear that while the US did do a great job, and it
was very brave and courageous to enter the wars, we entered them before, and
we entered from the start. 

I would hate anyone to think that the US was the only country that
steps-in. 

And, since I don't think I have said to this list, everyone in the US, and
all those affected throughout the world have my deepest sympathies and
condolences.

Now, back to that SMS distribution which will probably keep me up all night
:(

Greg



-Original Message-
From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 17:42
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack


Trust me.  By the time Pearl Harbor was involved, it was a forgone
conclusion that America was involved on both fronts.  We were already
sending raw materials and weapons (guns, tanks, planes, etc.).  All that was
missing was our people to shoot, drive, and fly them.

America declared war on Japan but had already committed to everything but
headcount on the other front also.  Again, I would like to point out
though that this is exactly what Europe had asked for.  Perhaps America
needs to revisit this policy of helping out rather than stepping-in and
trying to solve everything.  Although in this case, war was the eventual
outcome (and of Kuwait also), this is not necessarily true of Bosnia,
Somalia and a host of others that we got involved in.  Of course those are
my 2 cents.  Maybe people looking back in 50 years will know things we
don't.

JayW

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 10:13AM 
Except that the US declared war on Japan only.  Germany and Italy
declared war on the US