RE: OT? perspective of events
Exactly. Much like in IT, no practical level of security measures will provide complete safety. What happens when we allow even small intrusions into our freedom is that those measure quickly become ineffective, requiring another, deeper intrusion. Over time our freedom is reduced to nil, and the populace is still under threat of attack. Pat-downs at an airport wont detect porcelain switchblades that can be hidden in the colon. Eric, would you like a full body cavity search before boarding a commercial airliner, or a subway terminal, or a restaurant? The answer is not to relinquish our freedoms, though I imagine that is what will happen. -Original Message- From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events Give me 2 linemen in trench coats that have not shaved or showered in a few days. Get up tell everyone we have a bomb. That is all it would take. NO WEAPONS NEEDED, to hyjack a plane. How do you implement security to solve that problem? -Original Message- From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events I, for one, would be willing to trade in some conveniences, but not freedoms. I would be totally fine with MUCH more heightened security at airports. Do you realize it is LEGAL to carry a knife with a 4 blade onto a plane??? Because of people with pocket knives, my plane could get hijacked. I don't accept that. On several occasions as I traveled, security did not check what I put in the little dishes as I go through the metal detector's. I am asthmatic, and often carry an inhaler. I could have been mace, and I could have gotten it on board. Delaying passengers even an hour or two for every flight due to increased security checks is not much in my mind to reduce the risk of this ever happening again. Anywhere. -Original Message- From: Lentz, Wayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events Andrew is absolutely correct. We should not give up even small measures of personal freedom for security. Doing so would prove terrorism against the US as a successful means of altering the American way of life, and thus America itself. We as a nation cannot allow that to happen. Wayne Lentz -Original Message- From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events ~ In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and privacy. ~ To me, this is the worse thing about terrorism. We lose what we cherish, and that is freedom. And many will accept this, because they think it will be better -- but it won't. A wise man once said: They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin == ASB - http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=~MoreInfo.TXT == A nickel isn't worth a dime today. -- Yogi Berra. -Original Message- From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT? perspective of events My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected by these cowardly acts. My thoughts also go out to the millions of us indirectly affected. Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - in recent months there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic snooping tool). In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and privacy. As IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed? I know if someone had asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against Carnivore. Today, I'm willing to accept some software black-box scanning my email looking for suspicious activity. Thoughts? BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic discussion, in no way am I suggesting that that the other threads stop. I'm all for them. Many of our list members are in NY and DC. Those who don't like the off topic discussions - learn to use the delete key or setup a filter or rule. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
And those Washington as well. This is likely the worst day in American history. I have not yet lost family or friends, but I worry for my friends in the military for what lies in their future. My condolences to everyone who has lost loved ones on this most tragic of mornings. Wayne Lentz -Original Message- From: Richard McMahon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: NewYork Terrorist Attack Check out this link. http://www.skynews.co.uk/skynews/storytemplate/storytoppic/0,,3-1029102, 00.html Hope out all you guys in the New York area are still with us.. Good luck, Richard http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Title: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack With the level of logistics and organization required to pull this off, the attackers would easily have been able to determine the exact date/time of the Treaty. -Original Message-From: Smith Joseph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:37 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Maybe the terrorist got the date wrong Joseph Smith Network Administrator Perlos, Inc. 5201 Alliance Gateway Fort Worth, TX 76178-3729 Work: 817-224-9012 Cell: 817-999-7703 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Rogers, Jeff L (OM) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:31 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Nahhh, I think Camp David Accord was September 17, 1978, wasn't it? -Original Message-From: Rich Waldrop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:31To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Camp David Accord -Original Message-From: Rogers, Jeff L (OM) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:17 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack WOW! That is an uncanny observation on your point. Very good! -Original Message-From: Laura Swartout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:11To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack I wonder if there was any planned significance to the date: 9-11? http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htmhttp://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htmhttp://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htmhttp://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htmhttp://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Title: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack By affecting the very fabric of the lives of thousands of NT Admins accross the nation and even the world. Just ask those in New York or Washington. This list is more than an online helpdesk. It is a community of people, many of which have long known each other. Is your heart as black as your coffe? Today's events transcend your job. -Original Message-From: Murray Binette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:43 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack How is this relevant to NT system administration? -Original Message-From: Paul Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:18 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Basically, 40K people work in the Towers and there is estimated 200K people who pass thru the towers. most people who live in NJ and work in NY have to take the path trains to get into the city which passes right under the WTC! i actually witnessed the first plane hitting the tower from Brooklyn while waiting for a cab. I am now at work and trapped in the city because all trains buses are locked down. -Original Message-From: Rogers, Jeff L (OM) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:41 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack I heard 50+ thousand -Original Message-From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:44To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack any stats on how many people work/live in the WTC and/or area? i estimated around 25k-50k ... -Original Message-From: MLewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:37To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Both World Trade Center buildings have fallen. There is only rubble where these historic structures stood. Marcella D. Lewis Network Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Excellence is in the details. Give attention to the details and excellence will come." (Perry Paxton) -Original Message-From: Rogers, Jeff L (OM) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:30 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Could you confirm either more or less whether the structures are basically now grade level? -Original Message- From: Roman Bogdanov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Im about 40 blocks from the towers and we were all told we can go home but all the bridges and subways are closed so here i am trying to figure out a way to get to brooklyn. Roman Bogdanov Head of IT Support Jnana Technologies Corp. www.jnana.com 212-560-9151 ext. 202 212-560-9066 fax -Original Message- From: Richard Newton Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack Us in Jersey City, NJ (just across the water) were evacuated and sent home. Its going to be a long day for all. -Original Message- From: Jeff Pace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack and it doesn't seem to be over yet. Jeff -Original Message- From: Andrew Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack This is an incredibly tragic day. Probably the most tragic for the US since the assassination of JFK - ASB -Original Message- From: Richard McMahon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: NewYork Terrorist Attack Check out this link. http://www.skynews.co.uk/skynews/storytemplate/storytoppic/0,,3-1029 102, 00.html Hope out all you guys in the New York area are still with us.. Good luck, Richard http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
