Re: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

2012-12-11 Thread MMF
The real problem as I see it is that some organizations ignore case 
sensitivity, and some do not allow special characters. I won’t name the 
companies that I’m aware of in the investment and finance industries, but I 
know for a fact that they don’t care if your password is case sensitive, they 
will accept upper or lower case for an individual letter.

M. Free

From: Jonathan Link 
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: Re: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

8 characters not including common names/words? 



On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:34 AM, HELP_PC g...@enter.it wrote:

  They are talking about 8 chars pwd

  I use 12+ chars (Aa+numbers+special chars ) since many years



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  Oggetto: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us



  I don't know if you have seen this:



  
http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/



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RE: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

2012-12-11 Thread David Lum
As irritating to me is when a space is not an allowed character in the 
password. I can only guess it’s to make some back-end process less painful, or 
just lazy programming….

Dave

From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 8:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

The real problem as I see it is that some organizations ignore case 
sensitivity, and some do not allow special characters. I won’t name the 
companies that I’m aware of in the investment and finance industries, but I 
know for a fact that they don’t care if your password is case sensitive, they 
will accept upper or lower case for an individual letter.

M. Free

From: Jonathan Linkmailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

8 characters not including common names/words?

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:34 AM, HELP_PC g...@enter.itmailto:g...@enter.it 
wrote:
They are talking about 8 chars pwd
I use 12+ chars (Aa+numbers+special chars ) since many years

Guido Elia
HELPPC - HELPPC SERVICE

Da: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.commailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Inviato: lunedì 10 dicembre 2012 19.55
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

I don't know if you have seen this:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/


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RE: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

2012-12-11 Thread Ziots, Edward
And I have seen applications that are financially based can fields can’t hold 
special characters, or numbers or sometimes more than 8 characters total  (Poor 
development model and background data model)

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

ezi...@lifespan.org

 

From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

 

The real problem as I see it is that some organizations ignore case 
sensitivity, and some do not allow special characters. I won’t name the 
companies that I’m aware of in the investment and finance industries, but I 
know for a fact that they don’t care if your password is case sensitive, they 
will accept upper or lower case for an individual letter.

 

M. Free

 

From: Jonathan Link mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com  

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:39 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com  

Subject: Re: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

 

8 characters not including common names/words? 

 

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:34 AM, HELP_PC g...@enter.it wrote:

They are talking about 8 chars pwd

I use 12+ chars (Aa+numbers+special chars ) since many years

 

Guido Elia

HELPPC - HELPPC SERVICE



Da: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] 
Inviato: lunedì 10 dicembre 2012 19.55
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

 

I don't know if you have seen this:

 

http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/



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RE: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

2012-12-11 Thread Crawford, Scott
For quite a while ETrade was limited to 6 characters.

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

And I have seen applications that are financially based can fields can’t hold 
special characters, or numbers or sometimes more than 8 characters total  (Poor 
development model and background data model)

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org

From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

The real problem as I see it is that some organizations ignore case 
sensitivity, and some do not allow special characters. I won’t name the 
companies that I’m aware of in the investment and finance industries, but I 
know for a fact that they don’t care if your password is case sensitive, they 
will accept upper or lower case for an individual letter.

M. Free

From: Jonathan Linkmailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

8 characters not including common names/words?

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:34 AM, HELP_PC g...@enter.itmailto:g...@enter.it 
wrote:
They are talking about 8 chars pwd
I use 12+ chars (Aa+numbers+special chars ) since many years

Guido Elia
HELPPC - HELPPC SERVICE

Da: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.commailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Inviato: lunedì 10 dicembre 2012 19.55
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

I don't know if you have seen this:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/


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Re: All your passwords are belong to us

2012-12-11 Thread Angus Scott-Fleming
On 10 Dec 2012 at 13:54, Stefan Jafs  wrote:

 I don't know if you have seen this:
 http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-stan
 dard-windows-password-in-6-hours/

Heard this discussed on the last SecurityNow podcast.  The GPU cluster cracked 
only the old LanMan hashes, though.  The newer NTLM takes a little longer (a 
few days?).

As Schneier says, the attacks only get better.

It is my understanding that financial institutions which have case-insensitive 
short passwords are using the web GUI as an interface to their old mainframe 
systems, which are not case-sensitive and usually have limited hard-coded 
password fields.

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RE: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

2012-12-11 Thread Ziots, Edward
Yep, my point exactly, 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

ezi...@lifespan.org

 

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

 

For quite a while ETrade was limited to 6 characters.

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

 

And I have seen applications that are financially based can fields can’t hold 
special characters, or numbers or sometimes more than 8 characters total  (Poor 
development model and background data model)

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

ezi...@lifespan.org

 

From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

 

The real problem as I see it is that some organizations ignore case 
sensitivity, and some do not allow special characters. I won’t name the 
companies that I’m aware of in the investment and finance industries, but I 
know for a fact that they don’t care if your password is case sensitive, they 
will accept upper or lower case for an individual letter.

 

M. Free

 

From: Jonathan Link mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com  

Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:39 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com  

Subject: Re: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

 

8 characters not including common names/words? 

 

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:34 AM, HELP_PC g...@enter.it wrote:

They are talking about 8 chars pwd

I use 12+ chars (Aa+numbers+special chars ) since many years

 

Guido Elia

HELPPC - HELPPC SERVICE



Da: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] 
Inviato: lunedì 10 dicembre 2012 19.55
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

 

I don't know if you have seen this:

 

http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/



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RE: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

2012-12-11 Thread Crawford, Scott
The crazy thing is they were a new dot com so I would think legacy mainframes 
would have been at a minimum.  Add to that the ability to ruin someone’s life 
financially and it was pretty shocking.

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

Yep, my point exactly,

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

For quite a while ETrade was limited to 6 characters.

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

And I have seen applications that are financially based can fields can’t hold 
special characters, or numbers or sometimes more than 8 characters total  (Poor 
development model and background data model)

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
ezi...@lifespan.orgmailto:ezi...@lifespan.org

From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

The real problem as I see it is that some organizations ignore case 
sensitivity, and some do not allow special characters. I won’t name the 
companies that I’m aware of in the investment and finance industries, but I 
know for a fact that they don’t care if your password is case sensitive, they 
will accept upper or lower case for an individual letter.

M. Free

From: Jonathan Linkmailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

8 characters not including common names/words?

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:34 AM, HELP_PC g...@enter.itmailto:g...@enter.it 
wrote:
They are talking about 8 chars pwd
I use 12+ chars (Aa+numbers+special chars ) since many years

Guido Elia
HELPPC - HELPPC SERVICE

Da: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.commailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Inviato: lunedì 10 dicembre 2012 19.55
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

I don't know if you have seen this:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/


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Re: All your passwords are belong to us

2012-12-10 Thread Ben Scott
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Kennedy, Jim
kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote:
 http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/

 I’ve seen bigger made out of PS3’s.

  I think the point of the article is that it's *small*.  :-)

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R: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

2012-12-10 Thread HELP_PC
They are talking about 8 chars pwd
I use 12+ chars (Aa+numbers+special chars ) since many years

Guido Elia
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Da: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Inviato: lunedì 10 dicembre 2012 19.55
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

I don't know if you have seen this:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/


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R: (SCL: -1) Re: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

2012-12-10 Thread HELP_PC
If I am not wrong they are referring to every combination of 8 chars

Guido Elia
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Da: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Inviato: martedì 11 dicembre 2012 7.40
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: (SCL: -1) Re: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

8 characters not including common names/words?

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 1:34 AM, HELP_PC g...@enter.itmailto:g...@enter.it 
wrote:
They are talking about 8 chars pwd
I use 12+ chars (Aa+numbers+special chars ) since many years

Guido Elia
HELPPC - HELPPC SERVICE

Da: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.commailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Inviato: lunedì 10 dicembre 2012 19.55
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: (SCL: -1) All your passwords are belong to us

I don't know if you have seen this:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/


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Stefan Jafs

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