RE: Did y'all know...

2012-09-08 Thread Ken Schaefer
If you're that amazed, and think that Microsoft is that much of a screw-up, I'm 
amazed that you use their products in your environment.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 11:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Did y'all know...

Your confidence in Microsoft amazes me...
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ken Schaefer 
k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
I'm pretty sure there's a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and the 
Microsoft IE people...

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Did y'all know...

If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic vulnerability 
window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a week or two later, 
Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws when it patches Flash. 
Windows users will then have to wait several weeks for Microsoft's next update

Hopefully MS will sort this one out.

From: Richard Stovall 
[mailto:rich...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Did y'all know...

... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the 
Microsoft update release channel?

I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my 
shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/

Wow

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Re: Did y'all know...

2012-09-08 Thread Jonathan Link
Sometimes businesses are compelled to choose products because of
requirements. If we didn't have certain Line of Business applications our
environment would look very different.

On Saturday, September 8, 2012, Ken Schaefer wrote:

  If you’re that amazed, and think that Microsoft is that much of a
 screw-up, I’m amazed that you use their products in your environment.

 ** **

 Cheers

 Ken

 ** **

 *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com javascript:_e({},
 'cvml', 'jonathan.l...@gmail.com');]
 *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 11:41 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: Did y'all know...

 ** **

 Your confidence in Microsoft amazes me...

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
 

 I’m pretty sure there’s a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and
 the Microsoft IE people…

  

 *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM


 *To:* NT System Admin Issues

 *Subject:* RE: Did y'all know...

  

 “If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic
 vulnerability window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a
 week or two later, Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws
 when it patches Flash. Windows users will then have to wait several weeks
 for Microsoft's next update”

  

 Hopefully MS will sort this one out.

  

 *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Did y'all know...

  

 ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside
 of the Microsoft update release channel?

  

 I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update
 my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let
 me.

  


 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/
 

  

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RE: Did y'all know...

2012-09-08 Thread Ken Schaefer
Always an excuse...

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Did y'all know...

Sometimes businesses are compelled to choose products because of requirements. 
If we didn't have certain Line of Business applications our environment would 
look very different.

On Saturday, September 8, 2012, Ken Schaefer wrote:
If you're that amazed, and think that Microsoft is that much of a screw-up, I'm 
amazed that you use their products in your environment.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'jonathan.l...@gmail.com');]
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 11:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Did y'all know...

Your confidence in Microsoft amazes me..

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Re: Did y'all know...

2012-09-08 Thread Jonathan Link
Works for online banking systems.

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:

  Always an excuse…

 ** **

 *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:36 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: Did y'all know...

 ** **

 Sometimes businesses are compelled to choose products because of
 requirements. If we didn't have certain Line of Business applications our
 environment would look very different.

 On Saturday, September 8, 2012, Ken Schaefer wrote:

 If you’re that amazed, and think that Microsoft is that much of a
 screw-up, I’m amazed that you use their products in your environment.

  

 Cheers

 Ken

  

 *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 11:41 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: Did y'all know...

  

 Your confidence in Microsoft amazes me..

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RE: Did y'all know...

2012-09-07 Thread David Lum
“If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic vulnerability 
window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a week or two later, 
Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws when it patches Flash. 
Windows users will then have to wait several weeks for Microsoft's next update”

Hopefully MS will sort this one out.

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Did y'all know...

... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the 
Microsoft update release channel?

I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my 
shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/

Wow.

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RE: Did y'all know...

2012-09-07 Thread Ken Schaefer
I’m pretty sure there’s a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and the 
Microsoft IE people…

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Did y'all know...

“If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic vulnerability 
window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a week or two later, 
Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws when it patches Flash. 
Windows users will then have to wait several weeks for Microsoft's next update”

Hopefully MS will sort this one out.

From: Richard Stovall 
[mailto:rich...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Did y'all know...

... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the 
Microsoft update release channel?

I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my 
shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/

Wow

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Re: Did y'all know...

2012-09-07 Thread Jonathan Link
Your confidence in Microsoft amazes me...

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:

  I’m pretty sure there’s a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and
 the Microsoft IE people…

 ** **

 *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Did y'all know...

  ** **

 “If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic
 vulnerability window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a
 week or two later, Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws
 when it patches Flash. Windows users will then have to wait several weeks
 for Microsoft's next update”

 ** **

 Hopefully MS will sort this one out.

 ** **

 *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Did y'all know...

 ** **

 ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside
 of the Microsoft update release channel?

 ** **

 I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update
 my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let
 me.

 ** **


 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/
 

 ** **

 Wow

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RE: Did y'all know...

2012-09-07 Thread Ziots, Edward
NUTS! No Win8 for me J

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

ezi...@lifespan.org

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Did y'all know...

 

Chrome it is, then!

On Thursday, September 6, 2012, Richard Stovall wrote:

... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside
of the Microsoft update release channel?

 

I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update
my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't
let me.

 

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-
10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/

 

Wow.

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RE: Did y'all know...

2012-09-07 Thread Daniel Rodriguez
Yeah. Like two tin cans and string. :)

Daniel
On Sep 7, 2012 9:37 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:

  I’m pretty sure there’s a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and
 the Microsoft IE people…

 ** **

 *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Did y'all know...

 ** **

 “If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic
 vulnerability window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a
 week or two later, Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws
 when it patches Flash. Windows users will then have to wait several weeks
 for Microsoft's next update”

 ** **

 Hopefully MS will sort this one out.

 ** **

 *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Did y'all know...

 ** **

 ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside
 of the Microsoft update release channel?

 ** **

 I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update
 my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let
 me.

 ** **


 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/
 

 ** **

 Wow

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Re: Did y'all know...

2012-09-07 Thread Jonathan Link
Bears repeating.
Your confidence in Microsoft amazes me.

On Friday, September 7, 2012, Daniel Rodriguez wrote:

 Yeah. Like two tin cans and string. :)

 Daniel
 On Sep 7, 2012 9:37 AM, Ken Schaefer 
 k...@adopenstatic.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'k...@adopenstatic.com');
 wrote:

  I’m pretty sure there’s a direct line between the Adobe Flash people
 and the Microsoft IE people…

 ** **

 *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
 'david@nwea.org');]
 *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Did y'all know...

 ** **

 “If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic
 vulnerability window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a
 week or two later, Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws
 when it patches Flash. Windows users will then have to wait several weeks
 for Microsoft's next update”

 ** **

 Hopefully MS will sort this one out.

 ** **

 *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] javascript:_e({},
 'cvml', '[mailto:rich...@gmail.com]');
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Did y'all know...

 ** **

 ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside
 of the Microsoft update release channel?

 ** **

 I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update
 my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let
 me.

 ** **


 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/
 

 ** **

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RE: Did y'all know...

2012-09-07 Thread Mathew Shember
You mean a telephone line or a line in the sand?

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 6:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Did y'all know...

I’m pretty sure there’s a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and the 
Microsoft IE people…

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]mailto:[mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Did y'all know...

“If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic vulnerability 
window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a week or two later, 
Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws when it patches Flash. 
Windows users will then have to wait several weeks for Microsoft's next update”

Hopefully MS will sort this one out.

From: Richard Stovall 
[mailto:rich...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Did y'all know...

... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the 
Microsoft update release channel?

I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my 
shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/

Wow

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Re: Did y'all know...

2012-09-06 Thread Jonathan Link
Chrome it is, then!

On Thursday, September 6, 2012, Richard Stovall wrote:

 ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside
 of the Microsoft update release channel?

 I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update
 my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let
 me.


 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/

 Wow.

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Re: Did y'all know...

2012-09-06 Thread Jonathan Link
Oh the irony.

On Thursday, September 6, 2012, Sean Martin wrote:

 From the article...

 Internet Explorer 10 bundles Adobe 
 Flashhttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/windows-8-will-integrate-include-adobe-flash/,
 with Microsoft taking on responsibility for shipping updates to the
 integrated plugin. One repercussion of this arrangement is that Adobe's
 patches and autoupdate mechanism can't be used; they can update the
 standalone version used by Firefox, but not the embedded version in
 Internet Explorer. *The same is true of Chrome; it includes an embedded
 version of Flash, and the only way to update that is with a Chrome update.
 Adobe's updater can't touch it.*


 - Sean

 On Sep 6, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Jonathan Link 
 jonathan.l...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 
 'jonathan.l...@gmail.com');
 wrote:

 Chrome it is, then!

 On Thursday, September 6, 2012, Richard Stovall wrote:

 ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside
 of the Microsoft update release channel?

 I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update
 my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let
 me.


 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/

 Wow.

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