RE: Did y'all know...
If you're that amazed, and think that Microsoft is that much of a screw-up, I'm amazed that you use their products in your environment. Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 11:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Did y'all know... Your confidence in Microsoft amazes me... On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I'm pretty sure there's a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and the Microsoft IE people... From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Did y'all know... If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic vulnerability window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a week or two later, Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws when it patches Flash. Windows users will then have to wait several weeks for Microsoft's next update Hopefully MS will sort this one out. From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Did y'all know... ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the Microsoft update release channel? I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/ Wow ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Did y'all know...
Sometimes businesses are compelled to choose products because of requirements. If we didn't have certain Line of Business applications our environment would look very different. On Saturday, September 8, 2012, Ken Schaefer wrote: If you’re that amazed, and think that Microsoft is that much of a screw-up, I’m amazed that you use their products in your environment. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jonathan.l...@gmail.com');] *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 11:41 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Did y'all know... ** ** Your confidence in Microsoft amazes me... On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’m pretty sure there’s a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and the Microsoft IE people… *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Did y'all know... “If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic vulnerability window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a week or two later, Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws when it patches Flash. Windows users will then have to wait several weeks for Microsoft's next update” Hopefully MS will sort this one out. *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Did y'all know... ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the Microsoft update release channel? I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/ Wow ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com'); with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Did y'all know...
Always an excuse... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Did y'all know... Sometimes businesses are compelled to choose products because of requirements. If we didn't have certain Line of Business applications our environment would look very different. On Saturday, September 8, 2012, Ken Schaefer wrote: If you're that amazed, and think that Microsoft is that much of a screw-up, I'm amazed that you use their products in your environment. Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'jonathan.l...@gmail.com');] Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 11:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Did y'all know... Your confidence in Microsoft amazes me.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Did y'all know...
Works for online banking systems. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Always an excuse… ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday, 8 September 2012 10:36 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Did y'all know... ** ** Sometimes businesses are compelled to choose products because of requirements. If we didn't have certain Line of Business applications our environment would look very different. On Saturday, September 8, 2012, Ken Schaefer wrote: If you’re that amazed, and think that Microsoft is that much of a screw-up, I’m amazed that you use their products in your environment. Cheers Ken *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 11:41 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Did y'all know... Your confidence in Microsoft amazes me.. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Did y'all know...
“If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic vulnerability window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a week or two later, Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws when it patches Flash. Windows users will then have to wait several weeks for Microsoft's next update” Hopefully MS will sort this one out. From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Did y'all know... ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the Microsoft update release channel? I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/ Wow. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Did y'all know...
I’m pretty sure there’s a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and the Microsoft IE people… From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Did y'all know... “If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic vulnerability window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a week or two later, Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws when it patches Flash. Windows users will then have to wait several weeks for Microsoft's next update” Hopefully MS will sort this one out. From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Did y'all know... ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the Microsoft update release channel? I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/ Wow ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Did y'all know...
Your confidence in Microsoft amazes me... On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’m pretty sure there’s a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and the Microsoft IE people… ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Did y'all know... ** ** “If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic vulnerability window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a week or two later, Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws when it patches Flash. Windows users will then have to wait several weeks for Microsoft's next update” ** ** Hopefully MS will sort this one out. ** ** *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Did y'all know... ** ** ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the Microsoft update release channel? ** ** I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me. ** ** http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/ ** ** Wow ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Did y'all know...
NUTS! No Win8 for me J Z Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan Organization ezi...@lifespan.org From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Did y'all know... Chrome it is, then! On Thursday, September 6, 2012, Richard Stovall wrote: ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the Microsoft update release channel? I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer- 10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/ Wow. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.co m'); with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Did y'all know...
Yeah. Like two tin cans and string. :) Daniel On Sep 7, 2012 9:37 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’m pretty sure there’s a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and the Microsoft IE people… ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Did y'all know... ** ** “If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic vulnerability window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a week or two later, Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws when it patches Flash. Windows users will then have to wait several weeks for Microsoft's next update” ** ** Hopefully MS will sort this one out. ** ** *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Did y'all know... ** ** ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the Microsoft update release channel? ** ** I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me. ** ** http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/ ** ** Wow ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Did y'all know...
Bears repeating. Your confidence in Microsoft amazes me. On Friday, September 7, 2012, Daniel Rodriguez wrote: Yeah. Like two tin cans and string. :) Daniel On Sep 7, 2012 9:37 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'k...@adopenstatic.com'); wrote: I’m pretty sure there’s a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and the Microsoft IE people… ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'david@nwea.org');] *Sent:* Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Did y'all know... ** ** “If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic vulnerability window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a week or two later, Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws when it patches Flash. Windows users will then have to wait several weeks for Microsoft's next update” ** ** Hopefully MS will sort this one out. ** ** *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '[mailto:rich...@gmail.com]'); *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Did y'all know... ** ** ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the Microsoft update release channel? ** ** I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me. ** ** http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/ ** ** Wow ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com'); with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com'); with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Did y'all know...
You mean a telephone line or a line in the sand? From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 6:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Did y'all know... I’m pretty sure there’s a direct line between the Adobe Flash people and the Microsoft IE people… From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]mailto:[mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Friday, 7 September 2012 11:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Did y'all know... “If these policies are retained, then there will be a systematic vulnerability window. Microsoft will patch Internet Explorer, and then a week or two later, Adobe will reveal a raft of new Flash security flaws when it patches Flash. Windows users will then have to wait several weeks for Microsoft's next update” Hopefully MS will sort this one out. From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 7:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Did y'all know... ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the Microsoft update release channel? I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/ Wow ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Did y'all know...
Chrome it is, then! On Thursday, September 6, 2012, Richard Stovall wrote: ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the Microsoft update release channel? I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/ Wow. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com'); with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Oh the irony. On Thursday, September 6, 2012, Sean Martin wrote: From the article... Internet Explorer 10 bundles Adobe Flashhttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/windows-8-will-integrate-include-adobe-flash/, with Microsoft taking on responsibility for shipping updates to the integrated plugin. One repercussion of this arrangement is that Adobe's patches and autoupdate mechanism can't be used; they can update the standalone version used by Firefox, but not the embedded version in Internet Explorer. *The same is true of Chrome; it includes an embedded version of Flash, and the only way to update that is with a Chrome update. Adobe's updater can't touch it.* - Sean On Sep 6, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jonathan.l...@gmail.com'); wrote: Chrome it is, then! On Thursday, September 6, 2012, Richard Stovall wrote: ... that MS baked Flash into IE 10, and that you can't update it outside of the Microsoft update release channel? I discovered this tonight when Secunia PSI was screaming at me to update my shiny new Win 8 playpen, but then I couldn't do it because MS won't let me. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/internet-explorer-10s-bundled-flash-leaves-users-exploitable/ Wow. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com'); with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com'); with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin