Re: Dump NetBIOS?

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

I agree.  The annoyance factor far outweighed any perceived gains.  Gains
which I could never quantify any true value to.

--
Espi




On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Rankin, James R wrote:

> **
> No net view? Think of the scripts that will die! (Well, probably only ones
> in my arsenal) :-)
>
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> *From: * "Andrew S. Baker" 
> *Date: *Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:30:06 -0500
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: * "NT System Admin Issues" <
> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> *Subject: *Re: Dump NetBIOS?
>
> Read the comments carefully.
>
> I disabled NetBIOS at home for a while (3-4 months), but didn't like the
> changes.  Nothing really major, but NET VIEW dies, and some other things
> like that.   These can be worked around, but some thing in SQL still use
> the service.
>
> I haven't bothered to remove it from %work%. Easy enough to mitigate the
> risks.
>
> It doesn't amount to much value, IMO.
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
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> *
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Lum  wrote:
>
>> Submitted for discussion – have you guys disabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP?***
>> *
>>
>> http://isc.sans.edu/diary/Is+it+time+to+get+rid+of+NetBIOS+/12454
>>
>> *David Lum*
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RE: Dump NetBIOS?

[Michael B. Smith]

But the reverse is true (and how I read what the OP wrote).

If NetBIOS-over-TCP is ENABLED, then you have two different potential 
behaviors. Client-server (WINS) and peer-to-peer (broadcast).

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Dump NetBIOS?

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:51 AM, ANDREW F OFALT  wrote:
> ... why enable WINS if I have Netbios over TCP. ...
> ... intermittent problems connecting to shares ...
> ... since I enabled WINS I dont get calls about shares not connecting ...

  At least one of us is confused.  (Or did you make a typo?)

  NetBIOS-over-TCP is a transport for NetBIOS.  WINS is a naming
service for NetBIOS-over-TCP.  If you have NetBIOS-over-TCP then you
*want* WINS.  If you *disable* NetBIOS-over-TCP then you can get rid
of WINS.

  In the Microsoft Windows implementation, I'm not sure configuring
WINS on a client even does anything if NetBIOS-over-TCP is disabled.

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Re: Dump NetBIOS?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:51 AM, ANDREW F OFALT  wrote:
> ... why enable WINS if I have Netbios over TCP. ...
> ... intermittent problems connecting to shares ...
> ... since I enabled WINS I dont get calls about shares not connecting ...

  At least one of us is confused.  (Or did you make a typo?)

  NetBIOS-over-TCP is a transport for NetBIOS.  WINS is a naming
service for NetBIOS-over-TCP.  If you have NetBIOS-over-TCP then you
*want* WINS.  If you *disable* NetBIOS-over-TCP then you can get rid
of WINS.

  In the Microsoft Windows implementation, I'm not sure configuring
WINS on a client even does anything if NetBIOS-over-TCP is disabled.

-- Ben

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RE: Dump NetBIOS?

[Michael B. Smith]

WINS is a distributed multi-master protocol - similar to DNS, but not 
hierarchical in nature.

I'm sure there are quite a number of us here that remember "before Microsoft 
'got' the Internet" that the MSFT DNS server and DNS clients were horrible and 
using third party solutions was very common because of it.

It's a good protocol for what it does, but because it isn't hierarchical, it 
stops scaling at some point - especially for intercompany communications, where 
the likelihood of name collisions can be quite high.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
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-Original Message-
From: ANDREW F OFALT [mailto:afo...@psu.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Dump NetBIOS?

I tried this on a new server setup and domain setup.  I figured why enable WINS 
if I have Netbios over TCP.
Everything worked fine, but there were intermittent problems connecting to 
shares.  It was a small group so there was only file sharing, nothing 
complicated.
Due to another directive, I enabled WinS to check a problem, and since I 
enabled WINS I dont get calls about shares not connecting or being available.

Andy




- Original Message -
Some of mine too... That was my first annoyance. 


Yes, there are alternatives, but the APIs involved are much slower, for reasons 
that I haven't looked into. 






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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Rankin, James R < kz2...@googlemail.com > 
wrote: 



No net view? Think of the scripts that will die! (Well, probably only ones in 
my arsenal) :-) 


Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird 

From: "Andrew S. Baker" < asbz...@gmail.com > 
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:30:06 -0500 
To: NT System Admin Issues< ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > 
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" < ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > 
Subject: Re: Dump NetBIOS? 




Read the comments carefully. 


I disabled NetBIOS at home for a while (3-4 months), but didn't like the 
changes. Nothing really major, but NET VIEW dies, and some other things like 
that. These can be worked around, but some thing in SQL still use the service. 


I haven't bothered to remove it from %work%. Easy enough to mitigate the risks. 


It doesn't amount to much value, IMO. 






ASB 
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Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… 





On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Lum < david@nwea.org > wrote: 






Submitted for discussion – have you guys disabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP? 

http://isc.sans.edu/diary/Is+it+time+to+get+rid+of+NetBIOS+/12454 

David Lum 
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Re: Dump NetBIOS?

[ANDREW F OFALT]

I tried this on a new server setup and domain setup.  I figured why enable WINS 
if I have Netbios over TCP.
Everything worked fine, but there were intermittent problems connecting to 
shares.  It was a small group so there was only file sharing, nothing 
complicated.
Due to another directive, I enabled WinS to check a problem, and since I 
enabled WINS I dont get calls about shares not connecting or being available.

Andy




- Original Message -
Some of mine too... That was my first annoyance. 


Yes, there are alternatives, but the APIs involved are much slower, for reasons 
that I haven't looked into. 






ASB 
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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Rankin, James R < kz2...@googlemail.com > 
wrote: 



No net view? Think of the scripts that will die! (Well, probably only ones in 
my arsenal) :-) 


Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird 

From: "Andrew S. Baker" < asbz...@gmail.com > 
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:30:06 -0500 
To: NT System Admin Issues< ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > 
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" < ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > 
Subject: Re: Dump NetBIOS? 




Read the comments carefully. 


I disabled NetBIOS at home for a while (3-4 months), but didn't like the 
changes. Nothing really major, but NET VIEW dies, and some other things like 
that. These can be worked around, but some thing in SQL still use the service. 


I haven't bothered to remove it from %work%. Easy enough to mitigate the risks. 


It doesn't amount to much value, IMO. 






ASB 
http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker 
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… 





On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Lum < david@nwea.org > wrote: 






Submitted for discussion – have you guys disabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP? 

http://isc.sans.edu/diary/Is+it+time+to+get+rid+of+NetBIOS+/12454 

David Lum 
Systems Engineer // NWEA TM 
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 






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RE: Dump NetBIOS?

[Michael B. Smith]

Because they are secure.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Dump NetBIOS?

Some of mine too... That was my first annoyance.

Yes, there are alternatives, but the APIs involved are much slower, for reasons 
that I haven't looked into.
ASB

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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Rankin, James R 
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
No net view? Think of the scripts that will die! (Well, probably only ones in 
my arsenal) :-)
Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

From: "Andrew S. Baker" mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>>
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:30:06 -0500
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: Dump NetBIOS?

Read the comments carefully.

I disabled NetBIOS at home for a while (3-4 months), but didn't like the 
changes.  Nothing really major, but NET VIEW dies, and some other things like 
that.   These can be worked around, but some thing in SQL still use the service.

I haven't bothered to remove it from %work%. Easy enough to mitigate the risks.

It doesn't amount to much value, IMO.
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...



On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
Submitted for discussion - have you guys disabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP?
http://isc.sans.edu/diary/Is+it+time+to+get+rid+of+NetBIOS+/12454
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764




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Re: Dump NetBIOS?

[Andrew S. Baker]

Some of mine too... That was my first annoyance.

Yes, there are alternatives, but the APIs involved are much slower, for
reasons that I haven't looked into.

* *

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On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Rankin, James R wrote:

> **
> No net view? Think of the scripts that will die! (Well, probably only ones
> in my arsenal) :-)
>
> Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
> --
> *From: * "Andrew S. Baker" 
> *Date: *Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:30:06 -0500
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: * "NT System Admin Issues" <
> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> *Subject: *Re: Dump NetBIOS?
>
> Read the comments carefully.
>
> I disabled NetBIOS at home for a while (3-4 months), but didn't like the
> changes.  Nothing really major, but NET VIEW dies, and some other things
> like that.   These can be worked around, but some thing in SQL still use
> the service.
>
> I haven't bothered to remove it from %work%. Easy enough to mitigate the
> risks.
>
> It doesn't amount to much value, IMO.
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Lum  wrote:
>
>> Submitted for discussion – have you guys disabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP?***
>> *
>>
>> http://isc.sans.edu/diary/Is+it+time+to+get+rid+of+NetBIOS+/12454
>>
>> *David Lum*
>> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
>> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
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Re: Dump NetBIOS?

[Rankin, James R]

No net view? Think of the scripts that will die! (Well, probably only ones in 
my arsenal) :-)


Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: "Andrew S. Baker" 
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:30:06 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Dump NetBIOS?

Read the comments carefully.

I disabled NetBIOS at home for a while (3-4 months), but didn't like the
changes.  Nothing really major, but NET VIEW dies, and some other things
like that.   These can be worked around, but some thing in SQL still use
the service.

I haven't bothered to remove it from %work%. Easy enough to mitigate the
risks.

It doesn't amount to much value, IMO.

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Lum  wrote:

> Submitted for discussion – have you guys disabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP?
>
> http://isc.sans.edu/diary/Is+it+time+to+get+rid+of+NetBIOS+/12454
>
> *David Lum*
> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
> ** **
>
>
>

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Re: Dump NetBIOS?

[Andrew S. Baker]

Read the comments carefully.

I disabled NetBIOS at home for a while (3-4 months), but didn't like the
changes.  Nothing really major, but NET VIEW dies, and some other things
like that.   These can be worked around, but some thing in SQL still use
the service.

I haven't bothered to remove it from %work%. Easy enough to mitigate the
risks.

It doesn't amount to much value, IMO.

* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Lum  wrote:

> Submitted for discussion – have you guys disabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP?
>
> http://isc.sans.edu/diary/Is+it+time+to+get+rid+of+NetBIOS+/12454
>
> *David Lum*
> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
> ** **
>
>
>

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