Re: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
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On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Kennedy, Jim  wrote:

>  So the goal is to protect the orgs docs…not backup desktops.  Backup
> desktops is a method for getting to your goal.
>
> ** **
>
> Most of us would argue that redirect my docs to a server and back that up
> is a better way to get to that goal. Tell them anything on their desktop is
> subject to instantaneous loss, or redirect their desktop to the server also.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> I prefer to redirect my docs and put some controls on space and file type
> on that share and let them save their music and funny videos to the
> desktop. The users get that and like the compromise.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:56 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Endpoint backups
>
>  ** **
>
> Files they keep on the desktop and “My Documents”.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Endpoint backups
>
> ** **
>
> What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by
> a centralized backup system?
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Endpoint backups
>
> ** **
>
> Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC’s? We’re trying to do
> that via Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be
> ok 90% of the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and
> repair, and it’s not easy to automate resetting the password at the client
> PC without interaction on the client/endpoint side.
>
> ** **
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Re: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread Ben Scott 
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Kennedy, Jim
 wrote:
> Excellent point. We don’t do roaming profiles here. I view them as evil as
> Outlook cached mode, perhaps more so.  J

  I love roaming profiles.  Sure beats backing up workstations.

  Of course, I also drop the hammer pretty heavily on people who abuse things.

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RE: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread Kennedy, Jim 
Catch 22.  Too busy fixing endpoint backups to give them home folders so you 
don't have to do endpoint backups.  :)

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

LOL. Yeah, we don't have home folders herethat's also been on my "someday I 
want to get these guys there" list.

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

That's what "home" or "personal" drives stored out on the network are for. 
Anything they store locally is susceptible to being lost/corrupt.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org<mailto:dgu...@che.org>
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From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

Files they keep on the desktop and "My Documents".

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by a 
centralized backup system?

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Endpoint backups

Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC's? We're trying to do that via 
Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be ok 90% of 
the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and repair, and it's 
not easy to automate resetting the password at the client PC without 
interaction on the client/endpoint side.



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Re: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread James Rankin 
Roaming profiles are truly evil... especially when combined with rubbish
software

On 17 April 2013 17:37, Kennedy, Jim  wrote:

>  Excellent point. We don’t do roaming profiles here. I view them as evil
> as Outlook cached mode, perhaps more so.  J
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:34 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Endpoint backups
>
>  ** **
>
> "save their music and funny videos to the desktop"till they drop a
> 2.8GB movie into their roaming profile :-) 
>
> On 17 April 2013 17:00, Kennedy, Jim  wrote:
> 
>
> So the goal is to protect the orgs docs…not backup desktops.  Backup
> desktops is a method for getting to your goal.
>
>  
>
> Most of us would argue that redirect my docs to a server and back that up
> is a better way to get to that goal. Tell them anything on their desktop is
> subject to instantaneous loss, or redirect their desktop to the server also.
> 
>
>  
>
> I prefer to redirect my docs and put some controls on space and file type
> on that share and let them save their music and funny videos to the
> desktop. The users get that and like the compromise.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david....@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:56 AM 
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Endpoint backups
>
>  
>
> Files they keep on the desktop and “My Documents”.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Endpoint backups
>
>  
>
> What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by
> a centralized backup system?
>
>  
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Endpoint backups
>
>  
>
> Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC’s? We’re trying to do
> that via Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be
> ok 90% of the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and
> repair, and it’s not easy to automate resetting the password at the client
> PC without interaction on the client/endpoint side.
>
>  
>
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RE: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread Miller Bonnie L . 
That's what proquota.exe is for!

-B

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Endpoint backups

"save their music and funny videos to the desktop"till they drop a 2.8GB 
movie into their roaming profile :-)
On 17 April 2013 17:00, Kennedy, Jim 
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
So the goal is to protect the orgs docs...not backup desktops.  Backup desktops 
is a method for getting to your goal.

Most of us would argue that redirect my docs to a server and back that up is a 
better way to get to that goal. Tell them anything on their desktop is subject 
to instantaneous loss, or redirect their desktop to the server also.

I prefer to redirect my docs and put some controls on space and file type on 
that share and let them save their music and funny videos to the desktop. The 
users get that and like the compromise.


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

Files they keep on the desktop and "My Documents".

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by a 
centralized backup system?

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Endpoint backups

Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC's? We're trying to do that via 
Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be ok 90% of 
the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and repair, and it's 
not easy to automate resetting the password at the client PC without 
interaction on the client/endpoint side.



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RE: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread David Lum 
LOL. Yeah, we don't have home folders herethat's also been on my "someday I 
want to get these guys there" list.

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

That's what "home" or "personal" drives stored out on the network are for. 
Anything they store locally is susceptible to being lost/corrupt.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org<mailto:dgu...@che.org>
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
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From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

Files they keep on the desktop and "My Documents".

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by a 
centralized backup system?

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Endpoint backups

Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC's? We're trying to do that via 
Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be ok 90% of 
the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and repair, and it's 
not easy to automate resetting the password at the client PC without 
interaction on the client/endpoint side.



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RE: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread Kennedy, Jim 
Excellent point. We don't do roaming profiles here. I view them as evil as 
Outlook cached mode, perhaps more so.  :)

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Endpoint backups

"save their music and funny videos to the desktop"till they drop a 2.8GB 
movie into their roaming profile :-)
On 17 April 2013 17:00, Kennedy, Jim 
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
So the goal is to protect the orgs docs...not backup desktops.  Backup desktops 
is a method for getting to your goal.

Most of us would argue that redirect my docs to a server and back that up is a 
better way to get to that goal. Tell them anything on their desktop is subject 
to instantaneous loss, or redirect their desktop to the server also.

I prefer to redirect my docs and put some controls on space and file type on 
that share and let them save their music and funny videos to the desktop. The 
users get that and like the compromise.


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

Files they keep on the desktop and "My Documents".

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by a 
centralized backup system?

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Endpoint backups

Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC's? We're trying to do that via 
Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be ok 90% of 
the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and repair, and it's 
not easy to automate resetting the password at the client PC without 
interaction on the client/endpoint side.



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Re: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread Jonathan Link 
Users never do anything that stupid.
Oh.
Wait.


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, James Rankin wrote:

> "save their music and funny videos to the desktop"till they drop a
> 2.8GB movie into their roaming profile :-)
>
> On 17 April 2013 17:00, Kennedy, Jim  wrote:
>
>>  So the goal is to protect the orgs docs…not backup desktops.  Backup
>> desktops is a method for getting to your goal.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Most of us would argue that redirect my docs to a server and back that up
>> is a better way to get to that goal. Tell them anything on their desktop is
>> subject to instantaneous loss, or redirect their desktop to the server also.
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I prefer to redirect my docs and put some controls on space and file type
>> on that share and let them save their music and funny videos to the
>> desktop. The users get that and like the compromise.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:56 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Endpoint backups
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> Files they keep on the desktop and “My Documents”.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com ]
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Endpoint backups
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up
>> by a centralized backup system?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Carl Webster****
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org ]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Endpoint backups
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC’s? We’re trying to do
>> that via Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be
>> ok 90% of the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and
>> repair, and it’s not easy to automate resetting the password at the client
>> PC without interaction on the client/endpoint side.
>>
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RE: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread Richard McClary 
Those 2 locations are supposed (an infamous "S-word"!) to be re-mapped to that 
centralized location.  HOWEVER, some of our programmers, being programmers, 
tend to dig into that big local drive, find they can create a directory, and 
put all their development code there.  Then when the workstation goes bye-bye 
(well, they tend to not do that more than once!)...

--
richard

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

Files they keep on the desktop and "My Documents".

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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by a 
centralized backup system?

Carl Webster
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http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Endpoint backups

Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC's? We're trying to do that via 
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the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and repair, and it's 
not easy to automate resetting the password at the client PC without 
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Re: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread James Rankin 
"save their music and funny videos to the desktop"till they drop a
2.8GB movie into their roaming profile :-)

On 17 April 2013 17:00, Kennedy, Jim  wrote:

>  So the goal is to protect the orgs docs…not backup desktops.  Backup
> desktops is a method for getting to your goal.
>
> ** **
>
> Most of us would argue that redirect my docs to a server and back that up
> is a better way to get to that goal. Tell them anything on their desktop is
> subject to instantaneous loss, or redirect their desktop to the server also.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> I prefer to redirect my docs and put some controls on space and file type
> on that share and let them save their music and funny videos to the
> desktop. The users get that and like the compromise.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:56 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Endpoint backups
>
>  ** **
>
> Files they keep on the desktop and “My Documents”.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Endpoint backups
>
> ** **
>
> What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by
> a centralized backup system?
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Endpoint backups
>
> ** **
>
> Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC’s? We’re trying to do
> that via Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be
> ok 90% of the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and
> repair, and it’s not easy to automate resetting the password at the client
> PC without interaction on the client/endpoint side.
>
> ** **
>
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RE: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread Kennedy, Jim 
So the goal is to protect the orgs docs...not backup desktops.  Backup desktops 
is a method for getting to your goal.

Most of us would argue that redirect my docs to a server and back that up is a 
better way to get to that goal. Tell them anything on their desktop is subject 
to instantaneous loss, or redirect their desktop to the server also.

I prefer to redirect my docs and put some controls on space and file type on 
that share and let them save their music and funny videos to the desktop. The 
users get that and like the compromise.


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

Files they keep on the desktop and "My Documents".

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by a 
centralized backup system?

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Endpoint backups

Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC's? We're trying to do that via 
Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be ok 90% of 
the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and repair, and it's 
not easy to automate resetting the password at the client PC without 
interaction on the client/endpoint side.



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RE: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread Guyer, Don 
That's what "home" or "personal" drives stored out on the network are for. 
Anything they store locally is susceptible to being lost/corrupt.

Regards,

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Catholic Health East - Information Technology
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3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
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From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

Files they keep on the desktop and "My Documents".

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by a 
centralized backup system?

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Endpoint backups

Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC's? We're trying to do that via 
Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be ok 90% of 
the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and repair, and it's 
not easy to automate resetting the password at the client PC without 
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Re: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread Jonathan Link 
Remote users not using Citrix? :D


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Webster  wrote:

>  What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up
> by a centralized backup system?
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Endpoint backups
>
> ** **
>
> Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC’s? We’re trying to do
> that via Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be
> ok 90% of the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and
> repair, and it’s not easy to automate resetting the password at the client
> PC without interaction on the client/endpoint side.
>
> ** **
>
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RE: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread David Lum 
Files they keep on the desktop and "My Documents".

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Endpoint backups

What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by a 
centralized backup system?

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Endpoint backups

Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC's? We're trying to do that via 
Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be ok 90% of 
the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and repair, and it's 
not easy to automate resetting the password at the client PC without 
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RE: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread Webster 
What is there to backup that is not in a centralized location backed up by a 
centralized backup system?

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Endpoint backups

Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC's? We're trying to do that via 
Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be ok 90% of 
the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and repair, and it's 
not easy to automate resetting the password at the client PC without 
interaction on the client/endpoint side.



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RE: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife 
We don't have a centralized system.  For those users that want to backup, they 
can use Windows Backup, to an external drive.  Not good if the building gets 
hit by a train, but they have a warm fuzzy.  This is mainly for our folks that 
work in the field; wardens, biologists, etc.

Joe Heaton
Enterprise Server Support
CA Department of Fish and Wildlife
1807 13th Street, Suite 201
Sacramento, CA  95811
Desk:  (916) 323-1284

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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:57 AM
To: Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Endpoint backups

Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC's? We're trying to do that via 
Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be ok 90% of 
the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and repair, and it's 
not easy to automate resetting the password at the client PC without 
interaction on the client/endpoint side.
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Re: Endpoint backups

2013-04-17 Thread James Rankin 
Never bothered really...Folder Redirection for user folders onto the
network seems to remove the need.

However laptop endpoints where the user has to save data locally used to be
a pestOffline Files was always a pain to get working so I can see why
some people actually backed these up. But seeing as we now have loads of
apps (many which have been discussed recently on this list) that can do
cloud- or enterprise-based syncing from a local folder, I don't see much
need at all for backing up endpoints.

Maybe in extreme situations where there was some kind of locally-based data
engine (I've seen these sorts of things used by people who need to run apps
to generate quotes for people whilst visiting their homes and such), but
I'd be trying to get around that sort of thing by provide some kind of
synchronized application access.

Cheers,


JR

On 17 April 2013 14:56, David Lum  wrote:

>  Do any of you guys back up all your endpoints/PC’s? We’re trying to do
> that via Tivoli but troubleshooting clients is a major PITA. It seems to be
> ok 90% of the time, but the broken ones seem to take forever to find and
> repair, and it’s not easy to automate resetting the password at the client
> PC without interaction on the client/endpoint side.
>
> *David Lum*
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
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